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Radical Feminsts

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sticksstones · 19/04/2024 14:20

AIBU in noticing a increase in radical feminism on MN?

I'm not talking regular old feminism where equal rights are the goal, I'm sure we can all agree on that being important.

But there is a level of extremism emerging that goes from dizzying entitlement to outright man hating.

What gives?

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ghostyslovesheets · 19/04/2024 15:52

Theuglynaillady · 19/04/2024 15:44

Im not an aficionado of men (being the aforementioned radical lesbian feminist)… which bit is chewy?!

Ears and toe nails - I prefer a big bag of white mice - yummy

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 19/04/2024 15:52

sticksstones · 19/04/2024 14:20

AIBU in noticing a increase in radical feminism on MN?

I'm not talking regular old feminism where equal rights are the goal, I'm sure we can all agree on that being important.

But there is a level of extremism emerging that goes from dizzying entitlement to outright man hating.

What gives?

Radical feminism is simply the recognition that legal equality is only part of the story. It does not imply man hating or extremism.

takemeawayagain · 19/04/2024 15:52

BabbityBumble · 19/04/2024 15:45

I hate rolos nearly as much as I hate men. They're both too chewy. Does that make me a radical feminist?
Pretty radical. Come on be reasonable. You can soften them by the fire.

Ah but the smell of burning skin puts me off.

Theuglynaillady · 19/04/2024 15:53

takemeawayagain · 19/04/2024 15:50

I couldn't possibly tell you, you sound like an extremist as per the OP's definition.

I have a feeling all feminists who don’t centre men in their lives and their minds are extremists to the op.

AspiringChatBot · 19/04/2024 15:53

blackcherryconserve · 19/04/2024 15:27

The meaning of radical is 'that which goes beyond moderation or even to excess in opinion, belief, action, etc.' = extreme imo

Luckily, we don't have to rely on "O" when defining words, since we have an authoritative, citable source in the Oxford English Dictionary.

Radical
ADJECTIVE
Of or relating to a root or to roots.

1.a.

  • Of, belonging to, or from a root or roots; fundamental to or inherent in the natural processes of life, vital; spec. designating the humour or moisture once thought to be present in all living organisms as a necessary condition of their vitality; usually in radical heat, radical humidity, radical humour, radical moisture, radical sap*. Now historical.

1.b.
Of a quality, attribute, or feature: inherent in the nature or essence of a person or thing; fundamental. Now rare.

2.
Relating to or forming the root, basis, or foundation of something; original, primary.

3.a.
Mathematics. Originally: †(of a number) irrational (obsolete). In later use: relating to or forming the root of a number or quantity.

3.b.
Geometry. Having a common relation to two or more (esp. intersecting) circles or spheres. Chiefly in radical axis, centre, plane, etc.

4.a.
Linguistics. Of, belonging to, or relating to the root of a word; connected with or based on a root or roots; that is a root.

4.b.
1623–1765 Exhibiting the roots of words, or letters employed in those roots. Obsolete.

5.
1621–1819 Astrology and (occasionally) Astronomy. Belonging to the radix of an astrological or astronomical calculation; (of a question) asked at a time when the governing planet is also, or of the same triplicity as, a planet in the ascendant. Obsolete.

6.
Medicine and Surgery. Of a treatment: directed against the root or cause of disease, esp. towards the eradication of tumour or infection; curative, as opposed to palliative; spec. (of a surgical operation) involving extensive resection of tissue, esp. in order to remove a primary tumour and sites of actual or potential local spread and metastasis. Frequently in radical cure. Also in figurative context.

7.a.
Esp. of change or action: going to the root or origin; touching upon or affecting what is essential and fundamental; thorough, far-reaching.

7.b.
Politics. Advocating thorough or far-reaching political or social reform; representing or supporting an extreme section of a party; spec. (also with capital initial) (a) British belonging to, supporting, or associated with the group or movement which called for reform of the parliamentary system and other radical social and political changes in the late 18th and early 19th cent.; (b) U.S. belonging to a faction of the Republican Party seeking extreme action against the South during the Civil War and Reconstruction. Now more generally: revolutionary, esp. left-wing.

7.c.
Characterized by independence of or departure from what is usual or traditional; progressive, unorthodox, or innovative in outlook, conception, design, etc.

8.
Music. Of a bass, cadence, etc.: belonging to the root or lowest note of a chord.

9.
Botany. Of or relating to the root of a plant; esp. designating a basal leaf appearing to arise from the root (usually arising from the stem base or from a shortened stem).

10.
1836 - 1846. Anatomy. Of the nature of a radicle. Obsolete. rare.

11.
slang.(a) Originally Surfing challenging; extreme; (b) (more generally) excellent, fantastic.

SwordToFlamethrower · 19/04/2024 15:53

OP, man avoiding posts are not the same as man hating, are you for real???

Actual men have been documented going on actual murder, torture and rape sprees because they hate women. Whole religions have been designed to subjugate and oppress women for thousands of years, by men.

You gave a couple of examples of women saying they want to avoid men forever and you call that worrying and man hating??

Wow

takemeawayagain · 19/04/2024 15:53

ghostyslovesheets · 19/04/2024 15:52

Ears and toe nails - I prefer a big bag of white mice - yummy

Too many small bones in mice, makes them very crunchy.

Theuglynaillady · 19/04/2024 15:55

takemeawayagain · 19/04/2024 15:53

Too many small bones in mice, makes them very crunchy.

you expect your food not to be crunchy or chewy?- entitled much?!

takemeawayagain · 19/04/2024 15:56

AspiringChatBot · 19/04/2024 15:53

Luckily, we don't have to rely on "O" when defining words, since we have an authoritative, citable source in the Oxford English Dictionary.

Radical
ADJECTIVE
Of or relating to a root or to roots.

1.a.

  • Of, belonging to, or from a root or roots; fundamental to or inherent in the natural processes of life, vital; spec. designating the humour or moisture once thought to be present in all living organisms as a necessary condition of their vitality; usually in radical heat, radical humidity, radical humour, radical moisture, radical sap*. Now historical.

1.b.
Of a quality, attribute, or feature: inherent in the nature or essence of a person or thing; fundamental. Now rare.

2.
Relating to or forming the root, basis, or foundation of something; original, primary.

3.a.
Mathematics. Originally: †(of a number) irrational (obsolete). In later use: relating to or forming the root of a number or quantity.

3.b.
Geometry. Having a common relation to two or more (esp. intersecting) circles or spheres. Chiefly in radical axis, centre, plane, etc.

4.a.
Linguistics. Of, belonging to, or relating to the root of a word; connected with or based on a root or roots; that is a root.

4.b.
1623–1765 Exhibiting the roots of words, or letters employed in those roots. Obsolete.

5.
1621–1819 Astrology and (occasionally) Astronomy. Belonging to the radix of an astrological or astronomical calculation; (of a question) asked at a time when the governing planet is also, or of the same triplicity as, a planet in the ascendant. Obsolete.

6.
Medicine and Surgery. Of a treatment: directed against the root or cause of disease, esp. towards the eradication of tumour or infection; curative, as opposed to palliative; spec. (of a surgical operation) involving extensive resection of tissue, esp. in order to remove a primary tumour and sites of actual or potential local spread and metastasis. Frequently in radical cure. Also in figurative context.

7.a.
Esp. of change or action: going to the root or origin; touching upon or affecting what is essential and fundamental; thorough, far-reaching.

7.b.
Politics. Advocating thorough or far-reaching political or social reform; representing or supporting an extreme section of a party; spec. (also with capital initial) (a) British belonging to, supporting, or associated with the group or movement which called for reform of the parliamentary system and other radical social and political changes in the late 18th and early 19th cent.; (b) U.S. belonging to a faction of the Republican Party seeking extreme action against the South during the Civil War and Reconstruction. Now more generally: revolutionary, esp. left-wing.

7.c.
Characterized by independence of or departure from what is usual or traditional; progressive, unorthodox, or innovative in outlook, conception, design, etc.

8.
Music. Of a bass, cadence, etc.: belonging to the root or lowest note of a chord.

9.
Botany. Of or relating to the root of a plant; esp. designating a basal leaf appearing to arise from the root (usually arising from the stem base or from a shortened stem).

10.
1836 - 1846. Anatomy. Of the nature of a radicle. Obsolete. rare.

11.
slang.(a) Originally Surfing challenging; extreme; (b) (more generally) excellent, fantastic.

I think we should go with the surfing slang. Radical feminists are excellent and fantastic feminists.

fedupandstuck · 19/04/2024 15:56

Why is it always the case that posters who start these kinds of threads always are about to nip out or do something more important than respond to the thread they started? Hmm.

ghostyslovesheets · 19/04/2024 15:57

takemeawayagain · 19/04/2024 15:53

Too many small bones in mice, makes them very crunchy.

I imagine them as a commoners version of those illegal tiny birds they ear in France, under a napkin - I eat my white mice under a piece of own brand kitchen roll with my little finger up and a glass of Lambrini - feeling fancy

bostonchamps · 19/04/2024 15:57

TheShellBeach · 19/04/2024 15:36

Some very scary attitudes displayed on mumsnet

Not by radical feminists, though.

No, the only scary attitudes I can see here is folk requesting bloody rogue chocolate bars (nobody wants a wispa gold? No? Just me?)

ghostyslovesheets · 19/04/2024 15:58

Ear! Eat! Eat!

TheShellBeach · 19/04/2024 16:01

Will nobody think of the men!

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 19/04/2024 16:02

sticksstones · 19/04/2024 14:20

AIBU in noticing a increase in radical feminism on MN?

I'm not talking regular old feminism where equal rights are the goal, I'm sure we can all agree on that being important.

But there is a level of extremism emerging that goes from dizzying entitlement to outright man hating.

What gives?

Examples please?

Speaking for myself, as a 48 year old mum to a 15 year old DD while on one hand it feels like the world is a better place for her in many ways it's just as dangerous as it ever was.

The fact that so many men are behaviour badly so often makes me angry. And now im old I'm more direct and outspoken about that anger.

Women here are very pissed off and aren't shy about expressing that.

MrsTerryPratchett · 19/04/2024 16:04

fedupandstuck · 19/04/2024 15:56

Why is it always the case that posters who start these kinds of threads always are about to nip out or do something more important than respond to the thread they started? Hmm.

It's really lovely of them. Spout bolleaux, bring all the radical feminists to the yard so I can chat with you Awesome Nerds, bugger off to the shops for snacks.

It's like a lovely version of dog-whistling.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 19/04/2024 16:04

sticksstones · 19/04/2024 14:37

Prime example:

And BTW 'equality' would be us killing 2-3 men a week

Thank you. This is one of the many things about men that makes me very fucking angry.

Interesting that you take that view of the situation

Howbizarre22 · 19/04/2024 16:04

sticksstones · 19/04/2024 15:22

Examples of man hating on MN:

'I don't like men either, and I find this quite hard to reconcile with my conscience, because I have a son who I adore, and I'd cut off any man that said he "didn't like women" - it would be the biggest red flag ever to me, so I don't know why I hate sexism so much but am fine with Misandry'

'They're only any good for shagging really. Warmer than a vibrator. I prefer the company of women, prefer working with women, and most definitely prefer living with women.'

'I don’t like men, even though I’m married to one. I find them pathetically base, like they’re somehow less evolved than us. I don’t like feeling that way, because I know it’s not quite fair, especially now that I have a son, but I don’t know how to overcome it.AllI can do is try not to show it.'

More to follow, I'm just nipping out.

Not man hating…fair points 🤷🏼‍♀️😊

AdamRyan · 19/04/2024 16:06
Social Justice Woman GIF by INTO ACTION

Just for you OP. Typo and all 😂

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 19/04/2024 16:07

Hold your horses, I'm just in the process of reading the onslaught. I can multi task but it's a bit like a salmon swimming upstream on this thread at the moment. Examples will follow.

//

Yup. You're genuine Confused

No point engaging. OP is on the wind up

Perfect28 · 19/04/2024 16:07

The extremism that is increasing at the moment is right wing nut jobs, meninists and incels. Can you point to a single woman's group or feminist group which you consider to be extremist?

TheShellBeach · 19/04/2024 16:09

No point engaging. OP is on the wind up

Oh surely not?
How disappointing.

takemeawayagain · 19/04/2024 16:09

Gosh sorry everyone I've got to pop out now. Don't eat all the rolos while I'm gone. Or all the men.

TheShellBeach · 19/04/2024 16:11

takemeawayagain · 19/04/2024 16:09

Gosh sorry everyone I've got to pop out now. Don't eat all the rolos while I'm gone. Or all the men.

I've got to pop out, too.

I'm going to a quiz tonight and there will be two men on our team.

I'd better go and get my hair done. I don't want them thinking I'm letting myself go.

BabbityBumble · 19/04/2024 16:12

MrsTerryPratchett · 19/04/2024 16:04

It's really lovely of them. Spout bolleaux, bring all the radical feminists to the yard so I can chat with you Awesome Nerds, bugger off to the shops for snacks.

It's like a lovely version of dog-whistling.

Personally I think it is a ploy to sabotage my healthy eating and stop me becoming svelte for summer.

And if op doesn't return soon with a lucosade heads will roll.