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AIBU to not fund ex-partner’s children?

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3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 10:29

I have just ended things with my partner (ExDP). We have lived together for several years, no children. He has 2 tween children from a previous relationship (I have none). He is a good father, contributes jointly to children’s fees and items for them and general costs as well as pays maintenance above CMS and has them regularly. The co-parenting relationship with his ex is positive.

The issues is, I am a high earner, I earn over 3x my ex-DP’s income. He still earns a very good wage, well above average. In making the decision to move in together, I wanted to be sure to guard my financial position, and so I alone pay my mortgage, and all house maintenance related bills. ExDP and I contributed an equal amount to the ‘normal’ bills account (not proportionate to income). I also paid for most ‘extra’ things, like holidays, entertainment/meals out, usually on the basis that I was the one who mainly organised/booked it, so it was easier to pay, and obviously I could afford it. When out for things we would pay for things alternatively as the bill came up - he would pay for petrol in the car on the way to dinner, I would pay at the restaurant. It was never planned, just the person closest at each one would pay.

If asked, I would have said that he was on a ‘good deal’ with me, as obviously he had no rent or mortgage to pay, half of bills and me paying for the more expensive parts of our life - furniture, holidays and things as above. But I always felt like I was paying for some of those things to ensure no messy ownership issues (house, furniture etc) and he earnt less than me and had children who deserved his money, so it was right that I subsidise our life abit more.

The relationship has been difficult lately, mainly around his children and their attitude to me. (I am not the other woman, and he had been in another 2 year relationship before me). It started well, but has gotten disrespectful, and moved to rude and in recent months is now in the hurtful and toxic stage. My ex-DP has tried many strategies, I have bent over backwards, but after a recent issue time in my own life, have made the difficult decision that I don’t want to live like this anymore, and ended things with ex-DP yesterday.

This obviously involves him moving out, and he will have more expenses.

However he and his ex-wife are now furious with me, as apparently decisions were made about their children’s after-school activities and choice of school that necessitated him having the disposable income he did (that is, that he was with someone who covered more expenses and lifestyle costs, so he had a good standard of living whilst still having a lot of money to pay towards to his kids).

ExDP is furious that I am putting his children’s schooling at risk, jeapodising his contact time (he used to have them here, in my home, which is nice - now it will have to be at his parents, where they can’t stay overnight, until he gets a place of his own, the cost and standard of which he is also concerned about). He says a school trip for one would never have been agreed to if he knew his current financial circumstances and another will have to stop a hobby/sport as again, he can’t afford it. It is an expensive sport, to be fair.

All these decisions were made between exDP and his ex-wife. I was not consulted and didn’t think much of them. If I thought at all, it would have been to assume their parents would have made the decisions after considering their own financial circumstances.

My ex is not clear in what he wants/expects from me - just wanting to rant at me or I’m not sure if he means we should stay together (or just live together, but not be together?) so he can keep financing this, or if he intends to ask for money. I am trying to get my thoughts in order, as I just did not see this coming - AIBU here to break up with exDP and not expect a financial obligation to children that are not mine?

OP posts:
hydriotaphia · 19/04/2024 12:48

To offer an alternative perspective to many of the comments... In circumstances where you are massively the higher earner and presumably have lots of spare £££, where you own a home, whereas your ex has just been kicked out and made homeless, where presumably you have had some kind of relationship with the children, and where the immediate expenses relate to a trip and sports where the ex signed them up on the reasonable understanding that he would have spare income due to living with you ..... personally I would be paying for those expenses. Not on a permanent basis, I am not suggesting that at all. But I would be paying for the trip and for the sports say for the rest of this academic year. These have to be pretty trivial expenses in the scheme of your life. And I presume the adjustment period for the kids will be hard in any event. Personally I would be generous and help them out while their dad finds his feet. However obviously you are under no obligation to do so.

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 19/04/2024 12:48

Teentaxidriver · 19/04/2024 12:39

Am I being thick, but in your first post you say that you have lived together for several years and then at 12.26 it become 3 years together and just over 2 with the children included. Which is it?

'Several' can be 2 years, 2.5 years, 3 years. They could have moved in relatively quickly together, You're finding holes where there aren't any.

LakeTiticaca · 19/04/2024 12:48

Wow this is the height of CFery. Pack the rest of his gear and put it outside.
You owe them absolutely nothing , you were basically being used as a cash cow.
If he persists down this road tell him to speak to the child maintenance agency. See how far he gets with that 🤣🤣

newyearnewknees · 19/04/2024 12:48

This is a much better lesson for the kids than anything that their parents seem to have taught them in life so far.

I don't think he's actively used you for your money but he was certainly very quick to assess how your financial circumstances could benefit him.

kittybiscuits · 19/04/2024 12:49

Congratulations on getting rid of your cocklodger. He'll need to find somewhere else to cocklodge now. What a nuisance for him🙄

Projectme · 19/04/2024 12:50

BaronessBomburst · 19/04/2024 12:36

If he and his ex-wife get back together they'll be able to afford the life they want for the children.
But presumably they don't fancy that option.

ah, perfect solution!!

OP to exDP - if you are so upset and angry about your children losing out on a school trip/expensive hobby, why don't you move back in with your ex-wife; you'll be saving money etc?

exDP to OP - I can't do that!!! What a ridiculous suggestion for all the reasons we originally divorced....

OP to exDP - hmmm, and you call me cold and callous for breaking up with you and causing your kids to potentially miss out on things that you and ex-wife arranged, by using MY INCOME to facilitate, while you won't even attempt a resolution with your ex-wife to allow the kids things to continue? And I am the one to blame?!?

therubbleoroursins · 19/04/2024 12:51

I don't think children should ever be blamed for their parents splitting up, but I see no reason why teenage children can't know that it's their fault a relationship with a stepparent didn't work out.

They are old enough to learn that their actions have consequences. They treated their stepmum like shit, and she left. If they didn't want to push her out, they wouldn't have been so nasty. Now she's gone like they wanted, the consequence is... they have less money for expensive fun things.

You are right about having your sister step in. He is trying to guilt trip you, and this should cement your decision to leave. You owe no one anything, let alone his ex.

Cornishclio · 19/04/2024 12:52

YANBU. His children are the responsibility of him and his ex and surely he should have been saving loads while you have been financially supporting him all this time? Why on earth would you financially support disrespectful rude children who are not your responsibility? Just let him walk away and deal with this himself.

3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 12:52

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 19/04/2024 12:30

OP. Why are you focusing on the posts criticising your decision? Is that something that you routinely do, kowtow to the nay-sayers?

Everybody (almost) has agreed with your decision, validated you - and your focus is on the 1%. Odd.

@LyingWitchInTheWardrobe I know your second post said to ignore this post, but I guess to answer it, it’s because I am so bewildered by what he has said today and that anyone could have this view of our relationship and the breakup that I guess I have focused on those posts that are negative in trying to understand it. Maybe I didn’t explain it well to him? Maybe I should have ‘warned’ him as people have said, but that would have felt threatening and manipulative to me, and I thought he was already well aware of how it was making me feel.

I didn’t want to do anything to hurt the children, but exDP and some posters are pointing out the kind-of financial ‘moral’ obligation I might owe them. And I am trying to understand this, as I accept that having a partner with children brings a level of responsibility, but I honestly didn’t think I had breached it so severely.

Whilst I accept that I have no legal responsibility, exDP and people’s posts about the sudden nature of the split and the immediate impact on the children has me concerned. I do think he is probably going to try tomorrow to get the relationship back together and so it can be ‘weekend normal’ or if this fails, to possibly to ask for a sum of money to help him get on his feet, based on what he has been saying are the concerns, probably enough to rent a place, furnish it and pay the immediate bills he is referring too - school trip and school fees. I assume this would get him stable and then he could work out longer term solutions with his ex wife. But this is only a guess. My mind is racing abit and my emotions are clouding my better judgment tbh.

OP posts:
Noseybookworm · 19/04/2024 12:54

Please don't feel guilty. You are not responsible for subsidising their children's activities, they are the parents not you! When people break up, a change in financial circumstances is almost inevitable. That's life 🤷‍♀️ your ex DP will just have to deal with it and he can rant all he likes at you, it doesn't mean he's in the right!

Chockdavis · 19/04/2024 12:54

I think it’s really sad that the first thing your partner jumped to was not that he loved you but that he was now financially in the shit.

I think you’ve been used by him and the ex, the kids have picked up on it so that why they are disrespectful. They are kids so can’t hide it as well as they can. I would sever all financial ties now and clean break. A responsible father would never have created this situation unless that was the intention all along.

Im sorry OP you sound lovely.

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 19/04/2024 12:55

WhiteLeopard · 19/04/2024 10:35

YANBU at all and they had no right to make financial decisions assuming any input from you (even indirectly). In particular - making a school choice was really stupid of them!

I do have some sympathy about the short term decisions such as the school trip. It's natural to think "yes that should be fine" rather than "but what if Lemons and I split up before the trip?". Maybe as a goodwill gesture you could offer to pay for the trip? But make it clear that this is a one-off and that you are doing it as a nice gesture, not as an expectation.

Hell no - this is an unforeseen consequence of that kid being vile. Should have shown the OP some manners and respect, then their holiday would be safe.

therealcookiemonster · 19/04/2024 12:55

Hi@3LemonsAndLime this is as close you will get to a unanimous vote on MN. please stop feeling bad and just go NC.
it's a big no to letting them back in the house given the response from DP. just pack up their stuff and either put it outside or send it to them. I mean giving them the furniture etc. is a nice gesture but not worth risking your mental health over. if they are being shitty to you, you should just leave the few things they have which are personal items and block. they can buy their own furniture when they are in more appropriate accommodation. not your problem.

Breaktimebitches · 19/04/2024 12:55

Your ex has put himself in a vulnerable position. Why would an adult expect to live rent/mortgage free?
DC that age are rude and disrespectful at times but as a parent you are able to set boundaries and sanctions, so their dad should have been having words with them when this behaviour started towards you. The fact it has got so bad you’ve ended your relationship says a lot.
If he has the kids this weekend and the ex is away, why doesn’t he stay in her house?

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 19/04/2024 12:57

I get your point on the children collecting their things but I actually think it’s right for them to come. It was their home/ one of their homes and I think they have the right to say bye and get some closure. You also say you were a family so I think you need to say goodbye properly to them somehow and not just disappear effectively.

you don’t owe them anything financially though.

onawave · 19/04/2024 12:58

Your ex and his ex are both bonkers. The mental gymnastics some people will do to try to make their problems someone else's boggles my mind.
My partners ex tried to go after me for child maintenance for his step children so watch out for that one. Not that it got very far.

3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 12:58

Teentaxidriver · 19/04/2024 12:39

Am I being thick, but in your first post you say that you have lived together for several years and then at 12.26 it become 3 years together and just over 2 with the children included. Which is it?

We started dating just over 3 years ago, after approximately 9 months I met his children. He spent the majority of time and my place, but returned to his place when he had his children EOW. When it seemed right with the children, he gave up his place and officially moved in together and his children then began spending EOW and holidays here. That has been the case for over a year now.

My understand is that ‘several’ means ‘more than two, but not many’ and I used it in my first post in this context to mean the 3 years we had been together.

OP posts:
Youcannotbeseriousreally · 19/04/2024 12:59

hydriotaphia · 19/04/2024 12:48

To offer an alternative perspective to many of the comments... In circumstances where you are massively the higher earner and presumably have lots of spare £££, where you own a home, whereas your ex has just been kicked out and made homeless, where presumably you have had some kind of relationship with the children, and where the immediate expenses relate to a trip and sports where the ex signed them up on the reasonable understanding that he would have spare income due to living with you ..... personally I would be paying for those expenses. Not on a permanent basis, I am not suggesting that at all. But I would be paying for the trip and for the sports say for the rest of this academic year. These have to be pretty trivial expenses in the scheme of your life. And I presume the adjustment period for the kids will be hard in any event. Personally I would be generous and help them out while their dad finds his feet. However obviously you are under no obligation to do so.

You’re the ex wife aren’t you?

there cannot be two people on the planet batshit enough to think this.

FrogTheWarrior · 19/04/2024 13:00

Fuck THAT

therealcookiemonster · 19/04/2024 13:00

Chockdavis · 19/04/2024 12:54

I think it’s really sad that the first thing your partner jumped to was not that he loved you but that he was now financially in the shit.

I think you’ve been used by him and the ex, the kids have picked up on it so that why they are disrespectful. They are kids so can’t hide it as well as they can. I would sever all financial ties now and clean break. A responsible father would never have created this situation unless that was the intention all along.

Im sorry OP you sound lovely.

exactly
decent well behaved people have well behaved children who even in difficult teenage years are respectful although they might give a little attitude to parents.
these kids are rude because their parents didn't discipline them well and/or they were aware of the parents disrespect to you.

Dareisayiseethesunshine · 19/04/2024 13:01

Legally the op isn't even their sm. And even those don't have financial obligations to dc they have no pr for.
Bonkers the pair of them.

Eddielizzard · 19/04/2024 13:01

Really tough one.

Sounds to me like your Ex didn't really take you seriously. He knew it was a problem, but not urgent as in you could all muddle along for a while longer and maybe things will improve by themselves.

I don't blame you for your position at all, I think his reaction has to do with the practicalities he finds himself dealing with.

Seems to me like he's just been sleepwalking through this all and burying his head in the sand while making ineffectual attempts at parenting but just living life one day at a time and generally taking everything for granted.

Sounds to me like you have fully checked out.

SundayTulips · 19/04/2024 13:02

@3LemonsAndLime do you think the children were fully aware of how nasty they were being? It sounds like yes from what you’ve said, I’m just curious how they responded to prior attempts to change their behaviour or how they justified themselves.

To me it also makes a slight difference if they were difficult teens/tweens acting out to everyone, or if you were specifically targeted as an individual.

3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 13:02

0sm0nthus · 19/04/2024 12:44

Sugar-mama don't got no more sugar for man-baby
man baby-throw toys out of pram!

This made me laugh, and I haven’t felt at all like laughing since exDP’s calls and texts. Thank you.

OP posts:
SwingTheMonkey · 19/04/2024 13:03

Op, don’t give him any money! Ignore the extremely small number of people on here suggesting you do. You don’t owe him or his kids any financial assistance and if you do give him something, you’ll never get rid of him. There will always be something desperate he needs help with. This man has leeched off you long enough and his children need to learn an important lesson about how to treat people.

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