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AIBU to not fund ex-partner’s children?

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3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 10:29

I have just ended things with my partner (ExDP). We have lived together for several years, no children. He has 2 tween children from a previous relationship (I have none). He is a good father, contributes jointly to children’s fees and items for them and general costs as well as pays maintenance above CMS and has them regularly. The co-parenting relationship with his ex is positive.

The issues is, I am a high earner, I earn over 3x my ex-DP’s income. He still earns a very good wage, well above average. In making the decision to move in together, I wanted to be sure to guard my financial position, and so I alone pay my mortgage, and all house maintenance related bills. ExDP and I contributed an equal amount to the ‘normal’ bills account (not proportionate to income). I also paid for most ‘extra’ things, like holidays, entertainment/meals out, usually on the basis that I was the one who mainly organised/booked it, so it was easier to pay, and obviously I could afford it. When out for things we would pay for things alternatively as the bill came up - he would pay for petrol in the car on the way to dinner, I would pay at the restaurant. It was never planned, just the person closest at each one would pay.

If asked, I would have said that he was on a ‘good deal’ with me, as obviously he had no rent or mortgage to pay, half of bills and me paying for the more expensive parts of our life - furniture, holidays and things as above. But I always felt like I was paying for some of those things to ensure no messy ownership issues (house, furniture etc) and he earnt less than me and had children who deserved his money, so it was right that I subsidise our life abit more.

The relationship has been difficult lately, mainly around his children and their attitude to me. (I am not the other woman, and he had been in another 2 year relationship before me). It started well, but has gotten disrespectful, and moved to rude and in recent months is now in the hurtful and toxic stage. My ex-DP has tried many strategies, I have bent over backwards, but after a recent issue time in my own life, have made the difficult decision that I don’t want to live like this anymore, and ended things with ex-DP yesterday.

This obviously involves him moving out, and he will have more expenses.

However he and his ex-wife are now furious with me, as apparently decisions were made about their children’s after-school activities and choice of school that necessitated him having the disposable income he did (that is, that he was with someone who covered more expenses and lifestyle costs, so he had a good standard of living whilst still having a lot of money to pay towards to his kids).

ExDP is furious that I am putting his children’s schooling at risk, jeapodising his contact time (he used to have them here, in my home, which is nice - now it will have to be at his parents, where they can’t stay overnight, until he gets a place of his own, the cost and standard of which he is also concerned about). He says a school trip for one would never have been agreed to if he knew his current financial circumstances and another will have to stop a hobby/sport as again, he can’t afford it. It is an expensive sport, to be fair.

All these decisions were made between exDP and his ex-wife. I was not consulted and didn’t think much of them. If I thought at all, it would have been to assume their parents would have made the decisions after considering their own financial circumstances.

My ex is not clear in what he wants/expects from me - just wanting to rant at me or I’m not sure if he means we should stay together (or just live together, but not be together?) so he can keep financing this, or if he intends to ask for money. I am trying to get my thoughts in order, as I just did not see this coming - AIBU here to break up with exDP and not expect a financial obligation to children that are not mine?

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notyouagainbantu · 19/04/2024 12:06

He probably is hurt and just lashing out.... but you are perfectly entitled to end the relationship if you want to. If you do end up back together, or date another man with children, set some clear boundaries around finance and make it clear that apart from occasional family treats you will not be supporting his kids.

Changed18 · 19/04/2024 12:07

Seems like a learning moment for the kids, tbh. Don’t make life a misery for the person that enables your lifestyle but who you are not related to and doesn’t have to be there. Should stand them in good stead for the future.

CwmYoy · 19/04/2024 12:08

Don't worry about the kids - they have learned a valuable lesson. Actions have consequences.

Good luck for the future, you seem to be a lovely caring person and deserve happiness.

3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 12:10

AGlinnerOfHope · 19/04/2024 11:37

On a completely separate note, how long have you been in the children’s life, how much time have they spent with you and how old are they? Were you parenting them, particularly?

It would be good if they are emotionally attached to you, which they may be despite bad behaviour, for them to have a goodbye visit later.

Not now when things are very sore, but in a month or so- a meal out and a hug and a winding up conversation.

But only you know whether that’s necessary or not.

To answer these questions, I have been with exDP for 3 years and met the children after about 9
months. It gradually progressed as he moved in and he had contact EOW and half holidays. He also takes them out mid week from school to an activity and then to dinner or straight home to their mother’s. I usually see them every second weekend and in the holidays, and sometimes I go with exDP to watch them play sport or at the activity for support.

I would also see them at other times - if they are sick at school and neither parent can get away I might be asked to pick them up, or ditto if there is an issue or two different activities on at the same time for different kids and parents can’t collect them from school or an excursion or sports etc. one loves cooking like I do, so we often cook a meal together on the weekend - it’s a bit of an event where they look through cookbooks to decide what they want to try and I get the ingredients and we do it together. Another one loves reading like I do, so we have a regular book and coffee date on the weekend, where we either go to the library or a bookstore and get new books and then have hot chocolates before going home.

I don’t really parent, I think I am more like an aunt - not a big sister that only has fun, but someone you have to respect, who is a bit more fun than your parents, but who also can’t give you permission to break rules, you need to ask parents that.

They are tweens/early teenagers. I have noticed a difference in behaviour as they have gotten a bit older. I know this age is difficult, I have beloved nieces and nephews in this age bracket too. I have tried very, very hard to absorb the behaviour, but when I realised I just wanted to get into my car and drive away from my house and leave them all in it, I realised it had gone too far, and I really needed to do the opposite - get them all out and reclaim my life.

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Whatineed · 19/04/2024 12:11

Really don't be there when he turns up cap wringing with his sad faced Dickensian children to usher a forced apology op. It's emotional blackmail, and any adult discussion he should have should not be in front of the kids anyway.

Can your sister be there to open the door so he can collect stuff from the hallway?

Theluggagerules · 19/04/2024 12:13

You aren't responsible for their expenses and he's probably never admitted to his ex that it's you who pays for stuff for the children. I agree with those who say pack up everyone's things. Especially all the children's too. It would be even more upsetting for all if they actually come in the house. Get your sister or someone to just hand out boxes at door. It's too soon to be friendly/offer to store things.

MummyofTw0 · 19/04/2024 12:13

Out of interest, what was the final straw?

For what it's worth, you've done the right thing.

workshy46 · 19/04/2024 12:14

I cannot believe some of the replies you are getting op. You have been overly generous and I have never been without bitterly regretting it. Gratitude , turns to acceptance, to expectation v v quickly.

The fact that they would expect you to continue to fund him and his family after you have ended the relationship shows how far removed from reality they both are. You owe them nothing, it is up to their parents to fund their education, afterschool activities, not you. Walk away with your head held high. You are too nice, thats the probem. People can't help themselves, they kill the goose that lays the golden egg

BruceAndNosh · 19/04/2024 12:15

What would he have done if OP lost her highly paid job?

TheValueOfEverything · 19/04/2024 12:17

I'm sorry OP, this has happened, and your ex is reacting in this way. It's enormously hurtful. He is showing his true colours though, and that must validate your decision to end the relationship.

Hope when the heat has died down there is a way to say farewell to the children - or perhaps send them both a card or letter wishing them well? - and that you meet someone more deserving of you to start a new, reciprocal, honest and loving relationship with. Take care. Glad you have good family, including your own neices + nephews, to lean on as you grieve the end of this relationship. 💐

BodyKeepingScore · 19/04/2024 12:17

You're absolutely not being unreasonable. His children, his responsibility. He shouldn't have been relying on your subsidising his lifestyle in order to provide for his children. I'd walk away from this one guilt free, you've done nothing wrong.

Moreorlessmentallystable · 19/04/2024 12:18

Looks like you made the right decision! They, as parents, will have to find a way. It's not your responsibility to give them a plan B. He was lucky you subsidize him for the time you did, and I am sure that allowed his kids to have a better standard of life, which they obviously were never grateful to you for...

BlastedPimples · 19/04/2024 12:18

I'm amazed at this if it's true.

Op, keep moving forward. Well done.

IncompleteSenten · 19/04/2024 12:19

Are you sure he regarded you as a team?
In what way was he on your team because it seems like he got all the benefit from this 'teamwork' and you got all the shit.

Flopsythebunny · 19/04/2024 12:20

EG94 · 19/04/2024 11:55

@3LemonsAndLime a lot of people are suggesting letting your sister do this handover. Given the unreasonable behaviour he has already shown is there a concern that when you are not there, this is why is coming nothing to do with stuff he will become agitated? Is it fair to put that on your sister? I would risk it, for years you didn’t think he was financially using you. My point is you never know what anyone is capable of. I would either drop it to his parents or I would dispose of it. I wouldn’t allow him back to your house with or without you there. Just a thought

The op cannot just dispose of someone's property

Wishimaywishimight · 19/04/2024 12:22

These kids are not your responsibility, they have 2 parents. I can't, for the life of me, figure out why you are not laughing/rolling your eyes at him. If you hand over a penny you would be a complete mug.

Trulyme · 19/04/2024 12:24

So he cares more about losing his lifestyle/money than his relationship ending - wow!

At least you know how he really feels about you.

I would text his children and say how you and their dad have grown apart and you’ve made the incredibly tough decision to separate. Tell them that you have loved being in their lives and you are saddened over this ending (even if you don’t mean it).
Tell them they are free to collect their things from your home but you think that it’s best you’re not there or tell them that you will give their things to their dad and so they don’t have to deal with being in the middle of it all.

Tell your ex what you told the kids about collecting their stuff and then stick to it.

You cannot be friends with a man who uses his own children to try and manipulate you.

fruitbrewhaha · 19/04/2024 12:24

Phew, what a sense of entitlement.

I can see he is “allowed” to be upset his financial situation has changed, which, it would do anyway with a relationship breakdown, but this is heightened because you were bankrolling him.

They are probably hoping you’ll offer to pay for the trip.

Are the kids in private school? They will have to leave and manage in state school like the majority do.

EG94 · 19/04/2024 12:25

Flopsythebunny · 19/04/2024 12:20

The op cannot just dispose of someone's property

Why not? It’s in her house? If he cannot take the belongings she is not a storage unit. The ex and the ex wife cannot just expect the OP to find their kids but they have been. So please don’t tell me this already extremely kind women who has been taken advantage of cannot take back some control. If I was her I would drop it round and if he refused I would get rid of it because my kindness has been mistaken for weakness and I would have nothing left to give.

MILLYmo0se · 19/04/2024 12:25

This makes no sense - but maybe I'm reading it wrong - unless his parents are charging him lots for rent and bills. Most likely though he isn't paying anything so is actually better off that when he was making small contributions while at yours? Plus he now isn't going for dinners out so saving on that and petrol
The school trip can of course be paid for, they just need a loan, it's not a big deal. School fees is a different thing but honestly NOT your problem. When making these decisions they needed to take into account what if relationship ended, you became too sick to work, lost your job? They are a pair of asses but at least the children have learned a valuable lesson, treat everyone with respect because you don't know whose help you could be relying on some day!
Tell him Saturday is fine, put his stuff outside the door and tell him it's there that morning and you are going out for the day. If he has a key can you lock front door from inside and go out back door?

3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 12:26

stardustbiscuits · 19/04/2024 11:41

I’m not sure given your update that I agree with everyone’s responses. Moving in with children is a huge commitment, and it wasn’t u reasonable for the parents to make financial decisions based on the disposable income they both had in those circumstances. Ending that relationship, removing the children’s home and significantly altering their circumstances with no proper discussion or warning was harsh. That doesn’t mean you don’t ‘have the right’, of course you do, but it’s not fair and reasonable and it’s obviously come as a shock. Being a stepparent to tweenagers was never going to be easy. You mentioned that you thought ‘you were a little family’ … well it doesn’t appear that way.

My daughter is 11 and very challenging! It’s not just step parents who suffer that … families stick together and certainly talk things through at length before making big decisions.

Yes, this is what exDP is saying. He wants to bring the children over tomorrow for us all to have a talk.

We’ve had many ‘talks’ and exDP has tried to address the behaviour. I think this was being fair and reasonable that the behaviour wasn’t appropriate and exDP knew it had turned from rude to bad to toxic.

I thought about this long and hard before making my decision, but after the last weekend, I just wanted to leave the house and never come back. I have never felt like that before. I waited a few days, and still felt the same, and then I spoke to exDP about it all and ended things.

I thought it would have been manipulative to do as you say in your post and say “things have to change or you lose your lifestyle”. I also didn’t think their lifestyle (school and activities) was under threat. Yes, I anticipated short term disruption in relation to exDP finding another place to stay, but the issues with school and activities and trips took me by surprise, hence this post.

When I say “I thought we were a little family” I meant (and think I said) I was honoured that they let me join their little family. I felt like an Aunt, not so as important as parents, but still an important adult in their lives. Maybe I expressed myself badly in my posts, but it hurts you read them and don’t think I meant this.

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Herdinggoats · 19/04/2024 12:27

MILLYmo0se · 19/04/2024 12:25

This makes no sense - but maybe I'm reading it wrong - unless his parents are charging him lots for rent and bills. Most likely though he isn't paying anything so is actually better off that when he was making small contributions while at yours? Plus he now isn't going for dinners out so saving on that and petrol
The school trip can of course be paid for, they just need a loan, it's not a big deal. School fees is a different thing but honestly NOT your problem. When making these decisions they needed to take into account what if relationship ended, you became too sick to work, lost your job? They are a pair of asses but at least the children have learned a valuable lesson, treat everyone with respect because you don't know whose help you could be relying on some day!
Tell him Saturday is fine, put his stuff outside the door and tell him it's there that morning and you are going out for the day. If he has a key can you lock front door from inside and go out back door?

My guess would be his parents aren’t charging him bills, but because he can’t have the kids overnight there he will be having to pay his ex more in maintenance.

Applesandpears23 · 19/04/2024 12:28

3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 11:42

Thank you to everyone. I was feeling quite upset about the end of the relationship and leaving the little family, and then to get this from exDP who I thought understood how difficult it had been for me, that I didn’t make the decision quickly or lightly and that I had done many things for him and his children over our time together. Some financial, some in time or emotional support, but you don’t stop to think or count it, you just step in with what is needed at the time, be it an urgent item to buy, or help with school work, diverting to pick someone up from school, memorable holidays or making a favourite dinner for a birthday meal. I always knew I wasn’t their Mum, but I did feel honoured and special that I was let into their little family. To have it reduced to finances is so upsetting and hurtful. Both to my memories and to what they must have thought of me? I can’t believe I was only a bank to them. I feel it must be exDP stressing about immediate financial issues - having to find a flat, pay a bond and furnish it so he can still have his children, and I think there are school fee payments and partial
payments for the trip within the next 2 months. I hope it is this, and not that he only thought of our relationship in financial terms.

My door has a code lock and a camera, and I have changed the code, and I will change the key lock underneath it as soon as possible.

it’s also a good idea to pack what I can now. I know all exDP’s stuff, so I will pack that and leave ready at the front door, and then tell my sister It is only the children’s rooms and they can take whatever they want, and leave a list of any items they want me get movers to send to them, with an address and a date nominated by XX date. He probably will say it’s too soon and he can’t commit to a date/location, but at least I will be setting firm ground rules.

If he would like the children’s bedroom furniture give him a firm date and the option to arrange and pay for a storage unit. This is what people who need to store furniture whilst moving house do.

Two things can be true - it is sad that the children will need to move school due to a change in circumstances AND you aren’t responsible for paying school fees. If he had been made redundant he would also have had difficulty paying for schools. If he hasn’t put money aside whilst you were subsidising his lifestyle that is on him not you.

IncompleteSenten · 19/04/2024 12:30

You don't owe him your money.
That is what he wants, I bet you anything.
Some sort of financial support which he will call a transition period or short term help or the last thing you can do for the children (insert big puppy dog eyes from the kids here)

He will try to guilt trip you. He is bringing his kids to try to guilt trip you.

While it's logical and sensible for you to not allow this by simply not being there, I think your sister shouldn't be there alone, does she have a partner who can be there too? Or another family member there with her?

3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 12:30

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’tis the second sight you have.

You nailed both the school trip location and the sport. This might be getting close to being outing.

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