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AIBU to not fund ex-partner’s children?

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3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 10:29

I have just ended things with my partner (ExDP). We have lived together for several years, no children. He has 2 tween children from a previous relationship (I have none). He is a good father, contributes jointly to children’s fees and items for them and general costs as well as pays maintenance above CMS and has them regularly. The co-parenting relationship with his ex is positive.

The issues is, I am a high earner, I earn over 3x my ex-DP’s income. He still earns a very good wage, well above average. In making the decision to move in together, I wanted to be sure to guard my financial position, and so I alone pay my mortgage, and all house maintenance related bills. ExDP and I contributed an equal amount to the ‘normal’ bills account (not proportionate to income). I also paid for most ‘extra’ things, like holidays, entertainment/meals out, usually on the basis that I was the one who mainly organised/booked it, so it was easier to pay, and obviously I could afford it. When out for things we would pay for things alternatively as the bill came up - he would pay for petrol in the car on the way to dinner, I would pay at the restaurant. It was never planned, just the person closest at each one would pay.

If asked, I would have said that he was on a ‘good deal’ with me, as obviously he had no rent or mortgage to pay, half of bills and me paying for the more expensive parts of our life - furniture, holidays and things as above. But I always felt like I was paying for some of those things to ensure no messy ownership issues (house, furniture etc) and he earnt less than me and had children who deserved his money, so it was right that I subsidise our life abit more.

The relationship has been difficult lately, mainly around his children and their attitude to me. (I am not the other woman, and he had been in another 2 year relationship before me). It started well, but has gotten disrespectful, and moved to rude and in recent months is now in the hurtful and toxic stage. My ex-DP has tried many strategies, I have bent over backwards, but after a recent issue time in my own life, have made the difficult decision that I don’t want to live like this anymore, and ended things with ex-DP yesterday.

This obviously involves him moving out, and he will have more expenses.

However he and his ex-wife are now furious with me, as apparently decisions were made about their children’s after-school activities and choice of school that necessitated him having the disposable income he did (that is, that he was with someone who covered more expenses and lifestyle costs, so he had a good standard of living whilst still having a lot of money to pay towards to his kids).

ExDP is furious that I am putting his children’s schooling at risk, jeapodising his contact time (he used to have them here, in my home, which is nice - now it will have to be at his parents, where they can’t stay overnight, until he gets a place of his own, the cost and standard of which he is also concerned about). He says a school trip for one would never have been agreed to if he knew his current financial circumstances and another will have to stop a hobby/sport as again, he can’t afford it. It is an expensive sport, to be fair.

All these decisions were made between exDP and his ex-wife. I was not consulted and didn’t think much of them. If I thought at all, it would have been to assume their parents would have made the decisions after considering their own financial circumstances.

My ex is not clear in what he wants/expects from me - just wanting to rant at me or I’m not sure if he means we should stay together (or just live together, but not be together?) so he can keep financing this, or if he intends to ask for money. I am trying to get my thoughts in order, as I just did not see this coming - AIBU here to break up with exDP and not expect a financial obligation to children that are not mine?

OP posts:
theholesinmyapologies · 20/04/2024 12:18

He also generally raised the issue of the split and the impact on the children, suggesting I was overreacting and needed to calm down and understand I had responsibilities that didn’t just end on my say-so.

This sense of entitlement to your time/money/home and his position that his children are your 'responsibility' to house, fund, deal with is astounding! Not to mention is lack of understanding that it takes 2 to want a relationship, not 1, and you're out.

I wouldn't meet with him. He's showing you he's going to try to manipulate you into keeping him and his children, and he's likely to show up with them. The fact that he sent a video of them 'apologising' as he did is horrifying!

If you do feel you have to meet him, take your sister, and leave if he's brought the children.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/04/2024 12:18

I can see why you feel there should be a final conversation, but you need to text him now and say that if he brings the children along, you will walk out, and you absolutely should do

Unfortunately that won't work - it'll just be "they were distraught about not seeing you, and we need to talk about how you've handled this"
I'm not sure if DS/BIL plan to be there for this next proposed "meeting", but if so and OP agreed to this I'm confident there'd be another ... and another

Making them film a begging video is beyond manipulative and it's clear he'll do anything to guilt trip you into changing your mind. And that includes having the children confront you in public

Yes, and I wonder how much coaching/how many takes that took Hmm
Pity he didn't put all that corrective effort in during the relationship isn't it?

ItDoesntHaveToBeDave · 20/04/2024 12:19

WickedWitchOfTheEast87 · 20/04/2024 11:19

So after the way the ex and his kids has treated the OP she should handle that by giving him money for a rental and take his kids out?!?! So basically reward horrible entitled and grabby behaviour! Utter madness 🙄

It really is. And makes things more difficult for the next person Mr Cocklodger goes with.

Posts like that from @Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain make me despair

ToxicChristmas · 20/04/2024 12:19

He is SUCH a manipulative shit, I can't get over getting the kids to do a bloody video to you. It's so transparently about getting back into the house and nothing to do with any of them wanting a relationship with you. It's actually made me angry!
You have absolutely NO responsibilities at all to do with him or his children. He's an idiot. You are a better person than me even entertaining listening to this bullshit as I'd have blocked him on every device already. Don't give him a payout, don't let him back in the house and don't meet him for coffee. He doesn't care about you at all. This is all about him and what he has lost. You could be miserable in the relationship for years and all he would care about was reaping the benefits of your house and money. Don't engage further.

Ghostgirl77 · 20/04/2024 12:19

Your sister did a fantastic job!

Please don’t meet him or give him any money. He is a narcissistic man who is trying to manipulate you and the longer you engage with him, the longer it will take for you to be free of him. Getting his kids to make that video is just awful behaviour.

Keep all communication brief and in writing. Do not get into any discussion about what happened. He needs a very clear message of “the relationship is over, please do not contact me again”. He will try to make you feel guilty because that is how these men manipulate women into meeting their needs… don’t fall for it! Walk away with your head held high.

crockofshite · 20/04/2024 12:20

I wonder whether he'll bring his children to the coffee meet, using them in another attempt to manipulate/ emotionally blackmail you.

If you ask him not to and he does anyway, walk away without a word and be done with it all there and then.

Ghostgirl77 · 20/04/2024 12:21

If it helps, giving him money will encourage him to do the same to another woman in future because he is profiting out of it. So by not doing it you are potentially protecting someone else from falling into the same trap.

murasaki · 20/04/2024 12:22

He would definitely bring the children. Don't go. He doesn't deserve it, you've been perfectly clear already.

And I love your sister and BIL, they were brilliant and will be good support for you while you move on emotionally.

AprilShowerslastforHours · 20/04/2024 12:23

Can your sister, or a friend, ring you 15 minutes into the meeting to check up on you? If it's going badly you have an excuse to leave - emergency somewhere that needs your attention.

Good luck. He does not deserve you.

murasaki · 20/04/2024 12:23

Turning up an hour early was yet another erosion of your boundaries. As was the video. It stops now.

LadyMcLadyface · 20/04/2024 12:24

No no no no no. None of this is on you, they should never have factored your income into their financial decisions, any disappointment is 100% on the kids' parents - just walk away.

andHelenknowsimmiserablenow · 20/04/2024 12:24

Does his EX wife have a partner she lives with? Sorry if you have already made this clear and I have missed one of your updates.
If not, why can't he move back in with her for a while and keep the schools the trips etc for the kids, and then he can move out again when he is able to support them and himself in separate houses?
After all, he wanted you to carry on living with him when you aren't together, why can't he live with her?

HarrietPierce · 20/04/2024 12:26

Dareisayiseethesunshine · Today 12:02
""You have no responsibility for his dc.. Giving him a one off payment will give him the green light to continue to bleed you."

Exactly this.

Happywrappy · 20/04/2024 12:26

You sound like a caring and reasonable person. You’ve made the decision that sounds right for you and can move forward with your life with zero guilt. I wouldn’t make a parting payment and think it’s unreasonable of him to expect anything of you, particularly given you’d been living together a relatively short period (not decades). If he mentions payment I’d be expressing shock and make it clear his behaviour is proving an eye opener on who he is.

Iwasafool · 20/04/2024 12:27

I think ending your relationship with him is your business and your decision about money. The thing I'm more focused on is your relationship with the children, it sounds close and loving despite the horrors of the puberty years and I certainly felt like walking out on my own at that time so I get it. How do you feel about that relationship ending? Do you still feel like an aunt to them? How do you think they feel?

I had an adult friend when I was their sort of age, I was a poor friend as time went on as I got involved in school/friends/pop music/fashion. It was only as an adult that I stopped and thought how much I'd like to see him to tell him how much I missed him. It was too late by the time I traced him he was dead. I hope he'd forgotten what a horrible selfish child I was but maybe he missed me. I wouldn't want you or the children to feel like that if you did have a strong bond with them. To me that means so much more than the financial details.

I'm not trying to guilt trip you, you might be happy to see the back of them and never look back, I just think it is important to consider how you would feel in the long run and of course even if you wanted to maintain some sort of relationship their parents might not allow it.

I feel sad for you.

RhubarbAndGingerCheesecake · 20/04/2024 12:27

I was overreacting and needed to calm down and understand I had responsibilities that didn’t just end on my say-so.

These are not your responsibilities though - they are his.

He's the one who moved his kids into a relationship and house with no legal protection - he the one with ex who seems to have assumed that despite no legal ties the financial and relationship bit would always continue and made long term plans off this.

I can see he's blindsided but these are his responsibilities not yours. Maybe if you'd had conversations with commitments being talked about and discussed I'd see his point but sounds like it was all assumed by him.

I cant see what a final meeting will achieve but more gaslighting and emotional blackmail - but you do need to drawn a very firm line and go completely no contact from there.

WhereYouLeftIt · 20/04/2024 12:27

"the only way we could work through it would be together."
He does not accept that the relationship is over.

"He said it was unfair he had to leave so suddenly"
It was unexpected, because he wasn't taking you seriously - he "knew I was upset and worn down by [his children's behaviour]" but felt you should put up and shut up. It was not 'unfair'. And his use of the word 'unfair' conjures up Harry Enfield's Kevin The Teenager.

"He knew I was upset and worn down by it, but I didn’t say ‘I am thinking of ending things’. Perhaps if I had he might have been making better decisions re family and finances."
Those decisions were made a long time ago! Even if you had said it, what effect would that have made? Zero effect on his decisions, they were already made. The only think it could have affected would have been more urgency in cracking down on his children's behaviour - and if he wasn't working on that to the max already, that just reinforces that finances mattered more to him than your emotional wellbeing. So no, you saying those actual words would / should have had no effect

"He also generally raised the issue of the split and the impact on the children, suggesting I was overreacting and needed to calm down and understand I had responsibilities that didn’t just end on my say-so."
You have zero responsibilities here. The children have two parents who share responsibilities to them. As you said, "I was not involved in the big decisions for his children, they were made between their parents." You inhabited the role of 'Aunt' - close, family, but ultimately no responsibility to the children.

"... got some text messages from him saying that there needed to be a discussion between us as to the end of the relationship and the practical steps moving forward, and suggesting coffee this afternoon."
He had no childcare this morning, he won't have any this afternoon either. He is not suggesting coffee, he is suggesting that you fall back into line under the onslaught of the emotional blackmail of his two children pleading with you. The relationship has already ended, the 'practical steps' he wants to discuss is your money being handed over to him.

If you feel you must meet him, don't do it today - suggest you make it next week when it is their mother's weekend to have her children. DON'T DO IT TODAY. Well, not unless your most excellent sister and brother-in-law come with you. Maybe their children too - that would completely spike his guns!

ItDoesntHaveToBeDave · 20/04/2024 12:28

If you REALLY think that a payment would make you see the back of him, you are sadly mistaken.

Someone who manipulates not only you, but his own children in doing a video, won't stop at a one-off payment. He will be back for more.

Please do not open that financial door to him.

Victoriasponge12 · 20/04/2024 12:28

Just seen your latest update OP, your DSis sounds fantastic, so pleased that you have her support.

Your exDP sounds incredibly manipulative. I had previously assumed that it was him and his ex that were taking you for granted, however reading more of your updates I can’t help wondering whether when he says that ‘his ex’ is angry ect he’s just trying to give his opinion more weight by saying that somebody else also things the same (something that my coercive ex DH did frequently). Either way it sounds like you are well shot of him.

I don’t think you should give him any more money, even as a one off. It will just give him hope that he can try and win you back round. The sooner he accepts that he either has to live with his means, or find somebody else to fund his / his DCs lifestyle, the better. I can imagine his next DP creating a similar post in a few years time.

RhubarbAndGingerCheesecake · 20/04/2024 12:29

murasaki · 20/04/2024 12:23

Turning up an hour early was yet another erosion of your boundaries. As was the video. It stops now.

This - I think he'll just keep pushing and pushing at you.

0sm0nthus · 20/04/2024 12:30

bunnibee · 20/04/2024 11:57

his remark that 'responsibilities don't just end on your say so' is breathtaking...

I agree!
OP, this man thinks he is the boss of you and your house.
He is a parasite, trying to gaslight you into thinking he has a right to carry on feeding from you.
Wtf, he has mistaken kindness for weakness and steamed in to exploit you 🤬

Mirabai · 20/04/2024 12:30

Personally I think there was right and wrong on both sides.

It doesn’t sound like he was with you for your money but because he thought you were genuinely in it for the long haul. I agree that his changing his long term outlook on the basis of his new financial situation is problematic but many women with higher earner DP/stepfather to their kids do the same, without any true mercenary aims.

The kids had actually only been living with you on your current contact arrangements for a year, which is not a long time. I think you should have factored in teething issues over the new set up where the kids have to learn to share their time with their dad with a new woman in a strange house which is not their own. Quite apart from their ages meaning that teen/tween issues are to be expected.

You just sound a bit naive about being “honoured” to join a little family without really having a clue as to what that was likely to entail in the circs or what teen issues would be like. And you pulled the plug with no discussion before you could really tell if issues were a phase and giving the kids time to settle down and come out of it.

So he shouldn’t have made financial commitments based on the current status quo that he couldn’t shoulder alone, but you shouldn’t have taken on kids from a broken marriage into your home going towards teen years without really understanding what that would be like.

Kindly, I don’t think you should get involved with anyone else with kids or at least never live with them.

0sm0nthus · 20/04/2024 12:32

ItDoesntHaveToBeDave · 20/04/2024 12:28

If you REALLY think that a payment would make you see the back of him, you are sadly mistaken.

Someone who manipulates not only you, but his own children in doing a video, won't stop at a one-off payment. He will be back for more.

Please do not open that financial door to him.

This is true, if you give him money he will see you opening up another vein that he can suck blood from.

Boredandborder · 20/04/2024 12:32

I've tried hard to see your Ex as someone who naïvely thought his new great life was the icing on the cake of a mutually loving relationship, and just needed to sort out the kids' attitude. However, his behaviour today confirms all negative suspicions about his motives. How dare he say "you have responsibilities that don’t just end on your say-so"! You don't.

The video message from the kids is a new low and the mind boggles at the thought of the conversation he had with them, before telling them what they must say, and why.

You are blessed with the support of your sister and BIL, but I'm sure if you were as selfish and intolerant as your Ex is suggesting, you wouldn't have earned their loyalty, and clearly you deserve it.

If he brings the kids this afternoon, walk away immediately. It is entirely inappropriate for them to be there, in every way. I fear if you offer him money, it won't be enough, you'll play into his hands and you'll continue to feel the guilt he's laying on you. You owe him nothing.

If you fear loneliness, remember you can be more lonely in an unhappy relationship than peacefully alone.

theholesinmyapologies · 20/04/2024 12:33

Offering him money will make him feel entitled to more of it. He'll view it as you admitting you owe him something.

You don't.

Don't offer or give him any money.

He has some place he can stay: his mum's. Alternatively, suggest he can move back in with his ex- if she's so outraged by your unwillingness to take house and financial responsibility for their children now that you've ended things. That will shut them both up no doubt.

Please don't go alone if you do meet with him. Your sister can be in the coffee shop.

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