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AIBU to not fund ex-partner’s children?

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3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 10:29

I have just ended things with my partner (ExDP). We have lived together for several years, no children. He has 2 tween children from a previous relationship (I have none). He is a good father, contributes jointly to children’s fees and items for them and general costs as well as pays maintenance above CMS and has them regularly. The co-parenting relationship with his ex is positive.

The issues is, I am a high earner, I earn over 3x my ex-DP’s income. He still earns a very good wage, well above average. In making the decision to move in together, I wanted to be sure to guard my financial position, and so I alone pay my mortgage, and all house maintenance related bills. ExDP and I contributed an equal amount to the ‘normal’ bills account (not proportionate to income). I also paid for most ‘extra’ things, like holidays, entertainment/meals out, usually on the basis that I was the one who mainly organised/booked it, so it was easier to pay, and obviously I could afford it. When out for things we would pay for things alternatively as the bill came up - he would pay for petrol in the car on the way to dinner, I would pay at the restaurant. It was never planned, just the person closest at each one would pay.

If asked, I would have said that he was on a ‘good deal’ with me, as obviously he had no rent or mortgage to pay, half of bills and me paying for the more expensive parts of our life - furniture, holidays and things as above. But I always felt like I was paying for some of those things to ensure no messy ownership issues (house, furniture etc) and he earnt less than me and had children who deserved his money, so it was right that I subsidise our life abit more.

The relationship has been difficult lately, mainly around his children and their attitude to me. (I am not the other woman, and he had been in another 2 year relationship before me). It started well, but has gotten disrespectful, and moved to rude and in recent months is now in the hurtful and toxic stage. My ex-DP has tried many strategies, I have bent over backwards, but after a recent issue time in my own life, have made the difficult decision that I don’t want to live like this anymore, and ended things with ex-DP yesterday.

This obviously involves him moving out, and he will have more expenses.

However he and his ex-wife are now furious with me, as apparently decisions were made about their children’s after-school activities and choice of school that necessitated him having the disposable income he did (that is, that he was with someone who covered more expenses and lifestyle costs, so he had a good standard of living whilst still having a lot of money to pay towards to his kids).

ExDP is furious that I am putting his children’s schooling at risk, jeapodising his contact time (he used to have them here, in my home, which is nice - now it will have to be at his parents, where they can’t stay overnight, until he gets a place of his own, the cost and standard of which he is also concerned about). He says a school trip for one would never have been agreed to if he knew his current financial circumstances and another will have to stop a hobby/sport as again, he can’t afford it. It is an expensive sport, to be fair.

All these decisions were made between exDP and his ex-wife. I was not consulted and didn’t think much of them. If I thought at all, it would have been to assume their parents would have made the decisions after considering their own financial circumstances.

My ex is not clear in what he wants/expects from me - just wanting to rant at me or I’m not sure if he means we should stay together (or just live together, but not be together?) so he can keep financing this, or if he intends to ask for money. I am trying to get my thoughts in order, as I just did not see this coming - AIBU here to break up with exDP and not expect a financial obligation to children that are not mine?

OP posts:
Cofaki · 20/04/2024 12:02

I have read all of your posts op but not the full thread as it is so long. And while I do feel for the children who probably had no idea just how awful they were being because I don't think kids do and I know my own hurt me deeply at times and would be horrified if I told them so, ultimately they are not your children and if the relationship isn't working for you anymore, you can absolutely say so and end it.

On the financials, I think your ex was really quite cheeky in thinking that a relatively short relationship where you had only moved him in together a year ago meant that he could lay any claim to your money at all. He should have been living within his own means at this point because you had been very clear how you viewed it, so it was never a case of your money was his money and that you pooled everything. He should definitely have been saving up and not just spending his money and yours on schools and expensive trips.

He got his feet under the table very quickly and thought he was on to a winner, and I think it's really telling that in none of his conversations has he told you that he misses you or talked about losing you as a person, his whole focus is on money and his children.

I'm sorry to say it but it makes me wonder if that was always his focus and that your money was the main attractor because he just doesn't seem to be upset about you at all and his anger at you about it all feels very telling.

I hope you're doing okay and I'm glad you've got support from your sister. It's going to be tough for a few months so take care of yourself because it sounds a really horrible situation.

Dareisayiseethesunshine · 20/04/2024 12:02

You have no responsibility for his dc.. Giving him a one off payment will give him the green light to continue to bleed you.. For that school trip. For a summer holiday.. For Xmas.. Al things his poor dc will be without if you don't cough up. You aren't their parent. You have no duties... Or ties... Get them gone and block him.
He can sell the furniture if you are sending that on... He won't need it at his dm's...

WhereYouLeftIt · 20/04/2024 12:05

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violetlozenge · 20/04/2024 12:06

Don't give him any money. That suggests you owe him something, and also that the relationship is not over. If you want to end it, end it.

His financial arrangements are not your problem.

Scarletttulips · 20/04/2024 12:06

You’ve done the right thing, calm sensible - your sister and BIL have been amazing - you knew his game plan and planned round it.

Im sure they are all sorry, but that didn’t change anything at the time did it?

Onwards and upwards!

Mumoftwo1312 · 20/04/2024 12:07

Mumsnet is never unanimous about anything. We are from all walks of life, all politics, all points of view.

But we are basically all unanimous that this man is being unreasonable. Op, be brave and cut him off. Say no to the coffee chat.

Say a great big no to any parting financial gifts/ransom payments.

That's what pretty much all of us would do, over 3000 people have voted.

Aishah231 · 20/04/2024 12:07

I agree with what s couple of other posters have suggested. If you feel bad offer to pay for the school trip but state clearly you are not doing this out of duty but love for the children. Then make it clear that is it. Don't let him gaslight you into thinking you owe him anything. I also don't think you should meet him. I would if he was normal but he sounds highly unpleasant and manipulative. If you go bring your sister with you.

worriedaboutthefuturenow · 20/04/2024 12:08

Bookworm1111 · 20/04/2024 11:53

He also generally raised the issue of the split and the impact on the children, suggesting I was overreacting and needed to calm down and understand I had responsibilities that didn’t just end on my say-so.

Oh my god, the audacity of the man! Of course it can end on your say-so!

I can see why you feel there should be a final conversation, but you need to text him now and say that if he brings the children along, you will walk out, and you absolutely should do. Making them film a begging video is beyond manipulative and it's clear he'll do anything to guilt trip you into changing your mind. And that includes having the children confront you in public.

THIS. if he brings the kids, turn around & leave OP dont get ambushed by them.

RadFs · 20/04/2024 12:09

@3LemonsAndLime Hi i hope today is a better day for you.

Your exP took you for granted. All that his children have is luxury and they will survive without it. It’ll probably make them better people in the future so see this as a blessing in disguise that they’ve had to learn a lesson now and not when they’re older. ExP was living beyond his means and took you as his cash cow. It was a perfect time to save up for a rainy day but seems like he wasn’t sensible enough to do that but jacked up his children’s life beyond the need for it.

You will be raw from all of this and I do wish you well and over time you’re back to your normal self. However your exp seemed like he really didn’t care for you but that you were the means of giving his children an extraordinary life. The children will survive and if they do want to give them a life beyond their means they will have to get a 2nd job. A lot of parents have to have a second job just to provide for necessities.

@3LemonsAndLime your sister seems a sensible person. If you want to give any money away maybe you should do that to your own nieces and nephews so that they can have the life that exP’s children had due to your generosity towards them.

Bookworm1111 · 20/04/2024 12:09

Aishah231 · 20/04/2024 12:07

I agree with what s couple of other posters have suggested. If you feel bad offer to pay for the school trip but state clearly you are not doing this out of duty but love for the children. Then make it clear that is it. Don't let him gaslight you into thinking you owe him anything. I also don't think you should meet him. I would if he was normal but he sounds highly unpleasant and manipulative. If you go bring your sister with you.

I'm not sure paying for the school trip is a good idea, because it implies guilt and OP has nothing to feel gulity about. Plus it would be out of duty – i.e. feeling she has to give him something – rather than love. How can you love someone else's kids who have treated you abysmally in your own home?

FriendsDrinkBook · 20/04/2024 12:10

Oh op , he's really done his best to pull on your heart strings hasn't he? I really hope you don't meet him , as there's nothing more to say.

Not accepting your word that the relationship is over is incredibly manipulate of him. Please stay away.

Isthisreasonable · 20/04/2024 12:11

Can you have a male friend pick you up from meeting him? I suspect exDP's type would be more likely to back off if they think there is another man on the scene.

In any event anytime he mentions what happened with the ex wife he needs reminding that this wasn't a marriage and there is no commitment on either side.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/04/2024 12:11

I’ve thought about it, and I do think the mature, dignified thing to do is to meet ExDP and have the final conversation, making it clear this resolves/settles everything (both relationship wise and furniture and money wise) and further texts or calls or video messages are not welcome. I’m going to do that this afternoon, a coffee in a public place, as I want it over. I thought it was over earlier this week, but it feels like I have to do it all over again

Good of you to update us, OP, and your family have been brilliant, but with respect I can't agree with this bit. You didn't have to do anything even the first time, never mind all over again, and as with the predictable bringing the DCs with him it couldn't be more obvious that he's not going to stop the manipulation until you force him to

Frankly I think it's extremely arrogant of him to keep insisting on further "discussions", and it's this which will stop them being discussions at all but merely an attempt for him to browbeat you

You've said it's over so it's over and I honestly don't see the need to put yourself through this

Over40Overdating · 20/04/2024 12:12

You are doing so well @3LemonsAndLime but please don’t give that man a penny.

His response to your sister is boggling.
You are not married. They are not your kids. It is your house. You owe him no responsibilities and you absolutely can end a relationship on your own say so.

Nothing he has said shows he’s sorry or understands why you have ended things and only focuses on the inconvenience having to finance his life himself brings.

If you have to speak to him, do it over the phone or you’ll be faced with him and two truculent teens guilt tripping you to keep paying up.

Dontjudgeme101 · 20/04/2024 12:12

If you do meet him this afternoon, please take your sister with you. Please don’t give him any more money. He doesn’t deserve it. You are one brave, strong woman. 💐💐💐

Wisheverydaywasfriday · 20/04/2024 12:12

Please do not give this man any more of your hard earned money. You are absolutely NOT responsible for his (and his children’s) future standard of living. Bad enough that he and his ex made decisions about their children based on YOUR income, but I am utterly shocked at how he could even consider that you in any way owe him anything now.

You have only been in his children’s lives for a relatively short period of time, it’s not as if the lifestyle they rapidly became accustomed to, was all they’d ever known. He’s clearly manipulative, but he’s truly shown his hand. You are clearly generous not just financially, but in spirit and kindness, and he has taken advantage.

Follow the wise advice of your wonderful sister and brother in law, have your final meeting and make it abundantly clear that there will be no going back, ever!

Mix56 · 20/04/2024 12:12

"Apparently ExDP thinks I have overreacted and need to accept that this is a difficult age for the children and all parents have to take it "

The Parents have to take it..... However you are not their parent

No sign of personal distress at all ? Simply logistics .... what a fool.

Philandbill · 20/04/2024 12:12

You are awesome OP. So sensible and dignified and reflective.

CactusBasket · 20/04/2024 12:15

suggesting I was overreacting and needed to calm down and understand I had responsibilities that didn’t just end on my say-so.

Right, he's not a keeper. That's actually really good to know. There's no care and consideration there for you at all.

You have no responsibilities. Was he mistaking generosity for obligation?

BigAnne · 20/04/2024 12:16

3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 10:29

I have just ended things with my partner (ExDP). We have lived together for several years, no children. He has 2 tween children from a previous relationship (I have none). He is a good father, contributes jointly to children’s fees and items for them and general costs as well as pays maintenance above CMS and has them regularly. The co-parenting relationship with his ex is positive.

The issues is, I am a high earner, I earn over 3x my ex-DP’s income. He still earns a very good wage, well above average. In making the decision to move in together, I wanted to be sure to guard my financial position, and so I alone pay my mortgage, and all house maintenance related bills. ExDP and I contributed an equal amount to the ‘normal’ bills account (not proportionate to income). I also paid for most ‘extra’ things, like holidays, entertainment/meals out, usually on the basis that I was the one who mainly organised/booked it, so it was easier to pay, and obviously I could afford it. When out for things we would pay for things alternatively as the bill came up - he would pay for petrol in the car on the way to dinner, I would pay at the restaurant. It was never planned, just the person closest at each one would pay.

If asked, I would have said that he was on a ‘good deal’ with me, as obviously he had no rent or mortgage to pay, half of bills and me paying for the more expensive parts of our life - furniture, holidays and things as above. But I always felt like I was paying for some of those things to ensure no messy ownership issues (house, furniture etc) and he earnt less than me and had children who deserved his money, so it was right that I subsidise our life abit more.

The relationship has been difficult lately, mainly around his children and their attitude to me. (I am not the other woman, and he had been in another 2 year relationship before me). It started well, but has gotten disrespectful, and moved to rude and in recent months is now in the hurtful and toxic stage. My ex-DP has tried many strategies, I have bent over backwards, but after a recent issue time in my own life, have made the difficult decision that I don’t want to live like this anymore, and ended things with ex-DP yesterday.

This obviously involves him moving out, and he will have more expenses.

However he and his ex-wife are now furious with me, as apparently decisions were made about their children’s after-school activities and choice of school that necessitated him having the disposable income he did (that is, that he was with someone who covered more expenses and lifestyle costs, so he had a good standard of living whilst still having a lot of money to pay towards to his kids).

ExDP is furious that I am putting his children’s schooling at risk, jeapodising his contact time (he used to have them here, in my home, which is nice - now it will have to be at his parents, where they can’t stay overnight, until he gets a place of his own, the cost and standard of which he is also concerned about). He says a school trip for one would never have been agreed to if he knew his current financial circumstances and another will have to stop a hobby/sport as again, he can’t afford it. It is an expensive sport, to be fair.

All these decisions were made between exDP and his ex-wife. I was not consulted and didn’t think much of them. If I thought at all, it would have been to assume their parents would have made the decisions after considering their own financial circumstances.

My ex is not clear in what he wants/expects from me - just wanting to rant at me or I’m not sure if he means we should stay together (or just live together, but not be together?) so he can keep financing this, or if he intends to ask for money. I am trying to get my thoughts in order, as I just did not see this coming - AIBU here to break up with exDP and not expect a financial obligation to children that are not mine?

Good luck. You're doing the right thing.

Berthatydfil · 20/04/2024 12:16

Can I suggest you give him this for his and his ex wife’s utter brass neck.

AIBU to not fund ex-partner’s children?
VJBR · 20/04/2024 12:16

Really appreciate the update. Good luck for this afternoon.

BodyKeepingScore · 20/04/2024 12:16

@3LemonsAndLime he deliberately ignored your very clear direction that the children should not be brought round. If he had no childcare he could have come another day. He's trying to use them to guilt trip and blackmail you into giving the relationship another go, probably hoping that if you set eyes on his little darlings you'd cave in.

Your sister sounds like an absolute queen and a very sound voice of reason in the midst of a difficult time.

I don't believe you should make any further financial contributions to this man or his children. They have two working parents. Their dad could have used the money he was saving by moving in with you to build a nest egg which would have acted as a cushion for this exact situation but he chose not to. He decided instead to live beyond his means using your finances as a buffer.

By all means meet with him, but be clear that his children are not your responsibility financially or otherwise. Do not be swayed by his attempts at emotional blackmail.

Even the fact that he tried to leave belongings behind therefore ensuring a second trip back to your home speaks volumes. Your sister was very clever in ensuring this did not happen.

FriendsDrinkBook · 20/04/2024 12:17

It really sounds like the behaviour of exh. I learned when my kids had grown that he used to take them on dates and use them as props. A woman exh was seeing ended the relationship and kicked him out , she gave him an envelope with £20 for the kids then blocked his number. I'm not saying that you should pay anything op , but I do think you need to be more decisive. He's convinced you to do something you didn't consider previously and that is dangerous for you.

youhavenoidea123 · 20/04/2024 12:17

I am struggling to understand how any parents would make decisions around how they financed their DC's education, activities and trips on a three year relationship. I am shocked, you're definitely not responsible.

For some context I have been in a relationship with my DP for six years. I have not moved in with him because I do not want his income to be considered as part of the household income for uni. My partner is incredibly generous, he has no DC of his own and loves treating me and my DC. However, that is all I would ever see his contribution as - nice trips, meals etc that are nice but if it ended do no impact us financially.

It was incredibly irresponsible of the parents to place their children in this position and is not your responsibility.

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