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AIBU to not fund ex-partner’s children?

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3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 10:29

I have just ended things with my partner (ExDP). We have lived together for several years, no children. He has 2 tween children from a previous relationship (I have none). He is a good father, contributes jointly to children’s fees and items for them and general costs as well as pays maintenance above CMS and has them regularly. The co-parenting relationship with his ex is positive.

The issues is, I am a high earner, I earn over 3x my ex-DP’s income. He still earns a very good wage, well above average. In making the decision to move in together, I wanted to be sure to guard my financial position, and so I alone pay my mortgage, and all house maintenance related bills. ExDP and I contributed an equal amount to the ‘normal’ bills account (not proportionate to income). I also paid for most ‘extra’ things, like holidays, entertainment/meals out, usually on the basis that I was the one who mainly organised/booked it, so it was easier to pay, and obviously I could afford it. When out for things we would pay for things alternatively as the bill came up - he would pay for petrol in the car on the way to dinner, I would pay at the restaurant. It was never planned, just the person closest at each one would pay.

If asked, I would have said that he was on a ‘good deal’ with me, as obviously he had no rent or mortgage to pay, half of bills and me paying for the more expensive parts of our life - furniture, holidays and things as above. But I always felt like I was paying for some of those things to ensure no messy ownership issues (house, furniture etc) and he earnt less than me and had children who deserved his money, so it was right that I subsidise our life abit more.

The relationship has been difficult lately, mainly around his children and their attitude to me. (I am not the other woman, and he had been in another 2 year relationship before me). It started well, but has gotten disrespectful, and moved to rude and in recent months is now in the hurtful and toxic stage. My ex-DP has tried many strategies, I have bent over backwards, but after a recent issue time in my own life, have made the difficult decision that I don’t want to live like this anymore, and ended things with ex-DP yesterday.

This obviously involves him moving out, and he will have more expenses.

However he and his ex-wife are now furious with me, as apparently decisions were made about their children’s after-school activities and choice of school that necessitated him having the disposable income he did (that is, that he was with someone who covered more expenses and lifestyle costs, so he had a good standard of living whilst still having a lot of money to pay towards to his kids).

ExDP is furious that I am putting his children’s schooling at risk, jeapodising his contact time (he used to have them here, in my home, which is nice - now it will have to be at his parents, where they can’t stay overnight, until he gets a place of his own, the cost and standard of which he is also concerned about). He says a school trip for one would never have been agreed to if he knew his current financial circumstances and another will have to stop a hobby/sport as again, he can’t afford it. It is an expensive sport, to be fair.

All these decisions were made between exDP and his ex-wife. I was not consulted and didn’t think much of them. If I thought at all, it would have been to assume their parents would have made the decisions after considering their own financial circumstances.

My ex is not clear in what he wants/expects from me - just wanting to rant at me or I’m not sure if he means we should stay together (or just live together, but not be together?) so he can keep financing this, or if he intends to ask for money. I am trying to get my thoughts in order, as I just did not see this coming - AIBU here to break up with exDP and not expect a financial obligation to children that are not mine?

OP posts:
Anele22 · 19/04/2024 23:48

3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 10:45

Thank you for the responses so far, I’m glad to see I’m not unreasonable, I felt quite upset that this could even be leveled at me.

To those wondering - it’s the specifics of ExDP’s comments that have bothered me. He is saying the cost of a school trip is now not able to be paid and the child knows they are going, so this will be a big emotional blow to them. Stopping the sport will also be upsetting as the other child has been doing it for awhile, has friends there and is good at it, and they will be very upset about this. In both cases I agree this is true. I wonder if I am being harsh and upsetting the children who are innocent in this (yes, their behaviour towards me is a big catalyst for the breakup, but I do accept they are tweens and not entirely responsible for their behaviour/attitudes at this age. I just can’t be around it anymore).

The school one also upsets me. I don’t want the children to leave school in critical years for them, as again this is not their fault, but surely no one can think I am responsible for the decision to have to move them?

Hopefully your ex will let his children know they have to miss the trip and drop the hobby because you have dumped him because they were little shits. It’ll be an excellent life lesson for them

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 20/04/2024 00:13

3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 15:53

On the issue of was he with me or because he liked the lifestyle/money - my sister quoted Marilyn Monroe (in a movie) me: “Don’t you know that a man being rich is like a girl being pretty? You wouldn’t marry a girl just because she’s pretty, but my goodness, doesn’t it help?”

Reversing the genders, she thinks he did like me, but over time was forming the view that my income/lifestyle definitely ‘helped’.

I know she meant well by this, but I’ll be honest, it makes me feel absolutely terrible. I’m not showy with my money or lifestyle. I’ve used it to secure my financial position, and that of my close family. I try to be quietly generous to family and friends with gifts or picking up dinner bills, but never in a way that is ‘seen’ or might embarrass them or draw attention to the fact I have done so. It’s quite mortifying that unbeknownst to me, someone had different plans for the money I earn and in such a grand way.

I’ll step away from the thread now, as I am abit upset, but I will return and update tomorrow once exDP has been over and things are (hopefully) more resolved/over.

I feel like a lot of posters are being unfair to you both. I think what you said in your post about him not communicating about relying on the household income like that for his kids was the bigger issue. I don't think its necessarily wrong to make decisions with the whole financial situation in mind, but it was wrong to do so without talking to you and I feel far too early in the relationship to do so. He is freaking out and hyper focused on the money right now, that doesn't mean he didn't love you or won't miss you or was in it for the money. I don't think you owe him anything financially.

I do think it would be good to say goodbye to the kids, but that he might make that problematic and impossible to do. Real life is messy like that. He may genuinely feel quite blindsided by this and finding it hard emotionally, but as you're no longer in a relationship he needs to find other support from friends or family to get through that.

Most of the posters are giving a very black and white view of the situation on this thread and that's hurtful to you and probably not accurate. Life has a lot more shades of grey and people's feelings on a situation are often way more complex than the sometimes very one dimensional views we get on MN.

Runnerinthenight · 20/04/2024 00:29

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 20/04/2024 00:13

I feel like a lot of posters are being unfair to you both. I think what you said in your post about him not communicating about relying on the household income like that for his kids was the bigger issue. I don't think its necessarily wrong to make decisions with the whole financial situation in mind, but it was wrong to do so without talking to you and I feel far too early in the relationship to do so. He is freaking out and hyper focused on the money right now, that doesn't mean he didn't love you or won't miss you or was in it for the money. I don't think you owe him anything financially.

I do think it would be good to say goodbye to the kids, but that he might make that problematic and impossible to do. Real life is messy like that. He may genuinely feel quite blindsided by this and finding it hard emotionally, but as you're no longer in a relationship he needs to find other support from friends or family to get through that.

Most of the posters are giving a very black and white view of the situation on this thread and that's hurtful to you and probably not accurate. Life has a lot more shades of grey and people's feelings on a situation are often way more complex than the sometimes very one dimensional views we get on MN.

I literally have no idea what you are on about.

I have no clue what the ex's feelings were towards the OP, but he absolutely used her, no question.

Trolleysaregoodforemployment · 20/04/2024 00:32

Runnerinthenight · 19/04/2024 19:40

I don't know how you came to that conclusion! It's none of our business either what the kids were doing; no need to know anything other than the outcome.

"Tally of..." come again???? No idea what you're on about.

The OP has done nothing wrong. The ex should have dealt with the behaviour because he must have seen what it was doing to her. The split should not have come as a surprise when he didn't do it!

I came to that conclusion based on the OP 's comments. I am under no obligation to interpret the OP's comments in the same way you did.

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 20/04/2024 00:37

Runnerinthenight · 20/04/2024 00:29

I literally have no idea what you are on about.

I have no clue what the ex's feelings were towards the OP, but he absolutely used her, no question.

Maybe Im not making much sense, too exhausted. Sum up I think the posts on here are hurting the OP and life is messy and much less black and white then MN poster's paint it. The OP is hurting because everybody is telling her this man who NONE of us know is just with her for the money. None of us know why he was in this relationship with her, but you're all very keen to make OP feel like shit telling her her money was what attracted this man. Anyway Im out so everyone can go on bludgeoning her over the head with a truth none of us actually know for sure. She's left him, so maybe a little empathy and grace wouldn't go amiss.

VenetiaHallisWellPosh · 20/04/2024 00:46

You are a very kind person. You have been taken advantage of in the worst way.

When children come into your life it's hard not to get attached, however if they do not return the respect it makes your relationship so much harder. Especially as it seems to me your ex was a bit of a Disney Dad. These children and their father abused your home. It's only right they aren't welcome anymore.

Don't let any of them cross your threshold again. He can turn up to "explain" but you should send him away with a flea in his ear.

Your sister and BiL are awesome. I'm glad you have support.

Often when there is a breakup it often boils down to money, unfortunately. I know this from personal experience. It's probably not until it all goes to sh!t you realise how much of a cocklodger your partner really was.

The ExW is a horror! Fancy basing your lifestyle on your exHs partner's income!

Those CFs need to adjust their expectations and live within their means. We all have to, don't we?

You are better off without them all. They took the absolute pi$$ out of you. Don't look back, stay strong.

Plantmother71 · 20/04/2024 01:20

I’d lay a bet on him turning up with the kids with flowers and the kids on their best behaviour apologising. Don’t be there. Don’t let them in because that kind of pretence on the surface can lead to seething underneath. And if they saw that it truly was all over and they can’t ‘talk you round’ if also bet there’s a good chance they’ll cause some damage to your property.

Wrap, and pop their stuff on the doorstep, have your sister there, and back up of a male friend or family member. Just in case. If nothing else they’ll be a witness if it goes sideways.

I completely agree that the kids are a product of their own parents - their bad behaviour is how they were brought up. They should be respectful to everyone. Their own parents do not seem to have led by example.

Please don’t offer to pay for anything - it will be a never ending guilt trip in perpetuity.

urbanbuddha · 20/04/2024 01:37

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 20/04/2024 00:13

I feel like a lot of posters are being unfair to you both. I think what you said in your post about him not communicating about relying on the household income like that for his kids was the bigger issue. I don't think its necessarily wrong to make decisions with the whole financial situation in mind, but it was wrong to do so without talking to you and I feel far too early in the relationship to do so. He is freaking out and hyper focused on the money right now, that doesn't mean he didn't love you or won't miss you or was in it for the money. I don't think you owe him anything financially.

I do think it would be good to say goodbye to the kids, but that he might make that problematic and impossible to do. Real life is messy like that. He may genuinely feel quite blindsided by this and finding it hard emotionally, but as you're no longer in a relationship he needs to find other support from friends or family to get through that.

Most of the posters are giving a very black and white view of the situation on this thread and that's hurtful to you and probably not accurate. Life has a lot more shades of grey and people's feelings on a situation are often way more complex than the sometimes very one dimensional views we get on MN.

I agree.

BruFord · 20/04/2024 01:39

I’d lay a bet on him turning up with the kids with flowers and the kids on their best behaviour apologising. Don’t be there.

I think you’re right, @Plantmother71 , it’ll be all hearts and flowers on Sunday so the OP should let her supportive sister help her out.

Jellybeanz456 · 20/04/2024 01:44

You have no children together! you dont need to listen to his emotional abuse (thats what it is) his kids his issues. Block him cut contact and move on seems like the best thing you can do for yourself!!!

Amybelle88 · 20/04/2024 01:55

StevieNicksWannabe · 19/04/2024 10:34

Your ExDP and his Ex-W are being absurd and I assume, lashing out because of their own poor decision making skills. If their finances and lifestyles relied so heavily on you being part of their world, they should have worked a damn sight harder t discipline the children when they were being unkind and toxic.

I'd wave goodbye happily. If you didn't know it before, you certainly know now that you have been a glorified meal ticket for them all.

Yep, yep, yep - nothing further to add this is perfect 👌

Codlingmoths · 20/04/2024 02:17

I think some people are blowing things up which is hurting the op.
Firstly, the children are not irredeemable, they are at a painful age, the combination of this was harder for the op as she is not their mum, and the ex both didn’t recognise this and also failed to crack down on this behaviour sufficiently. Agreed they should have been told much more clearly this behaviour ends, I’ll take you to your grandparents instead of ops for the weekend as I won’t have my children behave like this to her in her house, and said expensive hobby is over if this behaviour continues. It sounds like the op did everything she could to foster a lovely relationship.

secondly, I’m sure he did love her. He took her for granted yes, but I think many many people do that in relationships and there is still love. I think it’s a shock to him and reacting to that shock, which is actually a good sign of how much he loves his children, is he is focussing on the impact to his children not him. I’m sure he will mourn the relationship and you op. Also hurt people strike back, it would be really helpful if people could memory wipe conversations immediately after a breakup I think! They often don’t reflect who people are, although of course sometimes they really do.
he failed to save- dumb, unacceptable to me in a partner, but also very common. Makes him weak but not a serial killer.

Dibbydoos · 20/04/2024 02:42

F him and her!

Entitled or what?

You owe none of them anything, they are the parents, they need to sort out their own kids.

So glad you got rid of this cocklodger!

HollyJollyHolidays · 20/04/2024 03:08

Good lesson for the kids that the way you treat people may have consequences.

RLmadmum · 20/04/2024 03:30

YANBU and I truly hope you're okay ❤️

TenQLord · 20/04/2024 06:16

3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 10:45

Thank you for the responses so far, I’m glad to see I’m not unreasonable, I felt quite upset that this could even be leveled at me.

To those wondering - it’s the specifics of ExDP’s comments that have bothered me. He is saying the cost of a school trip is now not able to be paid and the child knows they are going, so this will be a big emotional blow to them. Stopping the sport will also be upsetting as the other child has been doing it for awhile, has friends there and is good at it, and they will be very upset about this. In both cases I agree this is true. I wonder if I am being harsh and upsetting the children who are innocent in this (yes, their behaviour towards me is a big catalyst for the breakup, but I do accept they are tweens and not entirely responsible for their behaviour/attitudes at this age. I just can’t be around it anymore).

The school one also upsets me. I don’t want the children to leave school in critical years for them, as again this is not their fault, but surely no one can think I am responsible for the decision to have to move them?

Please, don't take this on yourself. He is guilt-tripping you.
His reaction makes me wonder, was he with you because he loved you or because of what he gained in the relationship. Nowhere have you mentioned that he is upset to lose you. His rantings are all around how he would now have more financial responsibilities.
Stop making the issues about his children your problem. It is really not your problem.
And do not offer to cover the trip as a one-off. Not now while the break up is still fresh...actually not ever. Your ex-dp sounds entitled, and a one-off offer may make him feel right in his entitlement to your money to pay for his children he had with another partner (who also sounds entitled). You do not owe them. You were his ex-partner. Not his parent.

Billybagpuss · 20/04/2024 06:48

Financially if he wants to make sure the dc still get their trip surely he just has to stay with his parents for a bit longer but actually save this time. Is he paying them rent? I know access isn’t as easy there but he can sort things out for that an Airbnb once a month and daily visits for the other weekend maybe. I understand he’ll want his own place but there are still sacrifices to his lifestyle he can make so the kids can still have what they’ve been promised.

Isthisreasonable · 20/04/2024 07:18

AcrossthePond55 · 19/04/2024 16:03

@3LemonsAndLime

Please don't give him money. He'll think of it as a 'payoff' and all that will do is reinforce to him and his ex that you know you have done something 'wrong' and that you 'owe them'. You haven't and you don't. You have ended a relationship that was no longer working for you and it appears you have done it in a calm manner with no nasty comments about him or his DC.

As far as giving his DC a 'goodbye gift', again, don't. They really don't deserve one and as a poster mentioned upthread you giving them their furniture is a gift in itself. Many people would sell it or to give it to a friend's or relative's DC. And as with the parents, you don't need to reinforce to his DC that anything is your 'fault'.

They all have made their beds (parents & DC) and they can lie in them.

What you need to do is get whatever you're giving them out of your house as soon as you possibly can, and then cut communications with him. You're a good person and you don't need him (or anyone) making you feel that you are not.

This. Definitely get your sister to be there instead of you so that you're not subjected to the inevitable emotional blackmail that they're planning.

thisplaceiscraziness · 20/04/2024 07:20

Hope it goes ok for you this weekend, I am really sorry that you are going through so much, it must hurt like hell.

Teledeluxe · 20/04/2024 07:38

Ex partner, his ex wife and children are ungrateful grifters. You need to move on from having them in your life.

MikeRafone · 20/04/2024 07:43

I would like to cut contact now, but he still has some clothes and personal items here he needs to collect. He wants to come and collect them on the weekend with the children, I think to guilt trip
me
.

seriously, arrange a time & ask a friend to be at the house when he picks up his stuff - and say you had to pop out.

That will put paid to his games

Zonder · 20/04/2024 07:45

You've been more than generous OP. I suspect he thought bringing the children round would change everything. He has probably coached them in giving you an apology and smoothing everything over, possibly by threatening them with how much things will go downhill if they don't apologise.

It really is on him, and partially the mum too, if things change for the children.

BirthdayRainbow · 20/04/2024 07:54

I hope it goes okay today. I'm sure you'll cope with whatever nonsense he tries but it will still hurt. You thought he loved you but he loves your financial support more.

Funkadoodledoo · 20/04/2024 07:55

I think you’ve made very sensible decisions all round OP. I hope you are doing ok, it’s hard leaving someone you love.

I agree it’s multidimensional and Mumsnet always jumps to LTB and financial abuse. It’s nuanced. He should have discussed with you financial decisions that were based on joint living conditions. He also shouldn’t have panicked “out loud” to you on the phone about the finances because that’s what sounds like emotional blackmail, even if he was just thinking out loud. He will realise it isn’t your fault or your responsibility, he’s just taken you for granted.

Pickled21 · 20/04/2024 07:59

It's all still raw at the moment for you. That's understandable as you've only just broken up. You need to give yourself time to get over this and them move forward.

You should know that you aren't being unreasonable and if you were concerned then several posts go to show that you aren't. He made financial decisions based on having more disposable income because you were subsidising his lifestyle. If he had any common sense he would have put that money aside for his children so they had security but that was his decision to make not yours. So a kid can't go on a school trip or decisions will have to be made about their schooling going forward. That's tough but it's also life as people's financial circumstances do change.

You sound very focused on all the negatives and pain but in the nicest way possible you need to get a grip. If it's easier to ask your sister to be present when he collects the last bits and you go out for the day then do that. At the moment you sound very much like a martyr and there is simply no need for it. You've made a decision and there's nothing wrong with deciding that you no longer want to be with him or around his children. Do not allow yourself to be gaslit or manipulated. Block both him and the ex wife and take the time to move on.

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