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AIBU to not fund ex-partner’s children?

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3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 10:29

I have just ended things with my partner (ExDP). We have lived together for several years, no children. He has 2 tween children from a previous relationship (I have none). He is a good father, contributes jointly to children’s fees and items for them and general costs as well as pays maintenance above CMS and has them regularly. The co-parenting relationship with his ex is positive.

The issues is, I am a high earner, I earn over 3x my ex-DP’s income. He still earns a very good wage, well above average. In making the decision to move in together, I wanted to be sure to guard my financial position, and so I alone pay my mortgage, and all house maintenance related bills. ExDP and I contributed an equal amount to the ‘normal’ bills account (not proportionate to income). I also paid for most ‘extra’ things, like holidays, entertainment/meals out, usually on the basis that I was the one who mainly organised/booked it, so it was easier to pay, and obviously I could afford it. When out for things we would pay for things alternatively as the bill came up - he would pay for petrol in the car on the way to dinner, I would pay at the restaurant. It was never planned, just the person closest at each one would pay.

If asked, I would have said that he was on a ‘good deal’ with me, as obviously he had no rent or mortgage to pay, half of bills and me paying for the more expensive parts of our life - furniture, holidays and things as above. But I always felt like I was paying for some of those things to ensure no messy ownership issues (house, furniture etc) and he earnt less than me and had children who deserved his money, so it was right that I subsidise our life abit more.

The relationship has been difficult lately, mainly around his children and their attitude to me. (I am not the other woman, and he had been in another 2 year relationship before me). It started well, but has gotten disrespectful, and moved to rude and in recent months is now in the hurtful and toxic stage. My ex-DP has tried many strategies, I have bent over backwards, but after a recent issue time in my own life, have made the difficult decision that I don’t want to live like this anymore, and ended things with ex-DP yesterday.

This obviously involves him moving out, and he will have more expenses.

However he and his ex-wife are now furious with me, as apparently decisions were made about their children’s after-school activities and choice of school that necessitated him having the disposable income he did (that is, that he was with someone who covered more expenses and lifestyle costs, so he had a good standard of living whilst still having a lot of money to pay towards to his kids).

ExDP is furious that I am putting his children’s schooling at risk, jeapodising his contact time (he used to have them here, in my home, which is nice - now it will have to be at his parents, where they can’t stay overnight, until he gets a place of his own, the cost and standard of which he is also concerned about). He says a school trip for one would never have been agreed to if he knew his current financial circumstances and another will have to stop a hobby/sport as again, he can’t afford it. It is an expensive sport, to be fair.

All these decisions were made between exDP and his ex-wife. I was not consulted and didn’t think much of them. If I thought at all, it would have been to assume their parents would have made the decisions after considering their own financial circumstances.

My ex is not clear in what he wants/expects from me - just wanting to rant at me or I’m not sure if he means we should stay together (or just live together, but not be together?) so he can keep financing this, or if he intends to ask for money. I am trying to get my thoughts in order, as I just did not see this coming - AIBU here to break up with exDP and not expect a financial obligation to children that are not mine?

OP posts:
MissHarrietBede · 19/04/2024 21:14

AhNowTed · 19/04/2024 19:44

TL:DR

Ex DP furious I'm no longer funding his and his children's lifestyle, and his ex wife has joined the pile on:

ALLEGEDLY joined the pile on! 🤔

JLou08 · 19/04/2024 21:17

You broke up yesterday and he and his ex are already complaining about their financial situation! Says it all really. You were right to end that relationship. You do not owe him or his children anything.
It is sad for the children but also life. One of their parents could have lost a job or become disabled and ended up having to cut back on spending.
I'd give a firm time frame for him finding somewhere else as long as things are amicable just to give them chance for overnight contact but that would be the lot and it would be cut short if there was any disrespect.

BruFord · 19/04/2024 21:19

Wow, I’ve read all the OP’s updates and I’m gobsmacked at the cheek of your ex and the children’s Mum. He only lived with you for just over a year, you provided a home for his children when he was with them and he has the gall to say that they (the children’s parents) have financially over-committed themselves. It’s unbelievable!

Please don’t give him a penny, you’ve spent enough on him already and he needs to sort himself out. Why can’t they ask his parents or the maternal grandparents to lend them the money for the upcoming school trip, for example? If they can’t continue to pay for private school, they can ask the school for financial assistance or they’ll have to make other arrangements for their children.

I still can’t believe how short a time you were together, he must’ve started living beyond his means almost immediately!

thismummydrinksgin · 19/04/2024 21:20

3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 10:45

Thank you for the responses so far, I’m glad to see I’m not unreasonable, I felt quite upset that this could even be leveled at me.

To those wondering - it’s the specifics of ExDP’s comments that have bothered me. He is saying the cost of a school trip is now not able to be paid and the child knows they are going, so this will be a big emotional blow to them. Stopping the sport will also be upsetting as the other child has been doing it for awhile, has friends there and is good at it, and they will be very upset about this. In both cases I agree this is true. I wonder if I am being harsh and upsetting the children who are innocent in this (yes, their behaviour towards me is a big catalyst for the breakup, but I do accept they are tweens and not entirely responsible for their behaviour/attitudes at this age. I just can’t be around it anymore).

The school one also upsets me. I don’t want the children to leave school in critical years for them, as again this is not their fault, but surely no one can think I am responsible for the decision to have to move them?

Perhaps Ex and his Ex wife can shack up together to save money

mammaCh · 19/04/2024 21:22

He's showed you his true colours. You haven't mentioned how sad he is that you don't want to be with him anymore? Or that he loves you? He just wants the money.
Do not pay a penny!
Hope you are ok.

Serene135 · 19/04/2024 21:22

It sounds like you were being used for money. Instead of telling you how upset he was at not being with you anymore he rants about money and how your decision is going to affect their lifestyle? 👀 You have made the right decision. The children are not your responsibility. Don’t be a pushover and offer money etc. If it was me I would cut contact.

pikkumyy77 · 19/04/2024 21:26

You did your best, OP, but he was a user, not a partner. You did the right thing ending it. Don’t let yourself get sucked in by his negative view of you or worries that you did something wrong. You were not too generous, nor were you too cruel ir abrupt in ending it. You were generous and kind to him/them during the relationship and you have acted with integrity ending it.

Dont let one bad boyfriend make you anxious as you go forward. Its not you—it was he who was in the wrong. Stay your kind, generous, self and hopefully the next partner will be worthy of you.

BruFord · 19/04/2024 21:26

@Serene135 I agree that the OP should cut contact going forward.

He may not have been deliberately using her for money, it’s probably more that he soon got used to having extra money left over every month so he started spending it and enjoyed being generous towards his children.
But it’s silly to do that.

Makesmilingyourbesthobby · 19/04/2024 21:27

So if it wasnt you ending the relationship say you had lost your job would he be blaming you that the children's lives would have to change. Your income could of been lost to him for many reasons not just due to a break up.
It is not your responsibility to pay the costs of other people's children now maybe if you had agreed at the time of the decision to pay for said thing it would be a nice gesture to continue too but not your responsibility because you broke up life changes hell that's why we have a thing called a divorce.
Talking about divorce if you two were married your income would never of been calculated when it came to child maintenance or he wouldn't have a claim to any support for his children from you if you divorced no matter what you had agreed to fund in the past.
Maybe this example will help you a grandparent starts paying the mortgage every month for they child which in turn the child now decides with what money they have saved not having to pay the morgage to use that on they child instead 3 years later said grandparent say they are not going to pay the mortgage payments anymore for whatever reason said child blames the grandparent for the things the child will not be able to continue to do and tries to guilt trip grandparent into paying them a lump some or to continue paying the mortgage (get back togeather in your case) it isn't the grandparents responsibility to pay the mortgage or pay for the children's lifestyle or pay they child a lump some and that's a grand parent neither would it be morally wrong for them to stop doing or not do any of these things.
If its really over for you pack his and the children's stuff up return and no need for kids coming to yours or any other pointless ideas.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 19/04/2024 21:27

Please don't give him any money, whatever you give will not be enough in his opinion and he will want / expect more.

and he will not hesitate in asking for it !

you are being more than generous suggesting they have the furniture from the bedrooms the children slept in.

Winter2020 · 19/04/2024 21:30

3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 10:51

I ended things earlier this week, and he went to his parents. I think he thought it might have been temporary, after a very bad weekend with the children, but it had been building inside me for awhile, and I think that last weekend was the confirmation. I waited a few days and then spoke to him.

I thought I was clear, but I now think initially he thought I just needed space and would get over it in time for this weekend, and him having the children over here again. Today, he contacted me and I was clear the decision stood, and then this all came up. Starting with how he can’t have the children overnight for the weekend now as there isn’t room at his parents, this will now put his ex wife in a difficult position as she was going away, and then it led into all the other things.

I am quite blown away by it all.

If your ex partners ex was going away this weekend he could have looked after the children at their own home.

Your ex was foolish to accept your generosity of rent free living without any thought to what he would do if you split - having no security of tenure or equity. I'm sure many people are in the same position though and just hope for the best.

You haven't done anything wrong. Sometimes I look at the one bedroom flats on Rightmove wistfully imagining the peace of living alone and they are my kids! Given half a chance there are several times this year I would have been off!

I expect your thread will make a lot of people think very carefully about either living with a partner with their kids with no security and also moving in with stepkids. Tricky subjects.

BearHug33 · 19/04/2024 21:30

Well if your ex and his ex-wife are that worried about the impact on the kids, they could always get back together...financial problems solved!

MissHarrietBede · 19/04/2024 21:33

I agree, he will expect ongoing maintenance from her, he is that entitled!

tighterthancramp · 19/04/2024 21:33

You ended it yesterday and already his wife's chipping in? Why has he gone right to her, is he looking for sympathy?

Maybe they can reduce the children's activities and explain why it's always important to be nice (especially to the hand that feeds you, so to speak)

BruFord · 19/04/2024 21:34

Winter2020 · 19/04/2024 21:30

If your ex partners ex was going away this weekend he could have looked after the children at their own home.

Your ex was foolish to accept your generosity of rent free living without any thought to what he would do if you split - having no security of tenure or equity. I'm sure many people are in the same position though and just hope for the best.

You haven't done anything wrong. Sometimes I look at the one bedroom flats on Rightmove wistfully imagining the peace of living alone and they are my kids! Given half a chance there are several times this year I would have been off!

I expect your thread will make a lot of people think very carefully about either living with a partner with their kids with no security and also moving in with stepkids. Tricky subjects.

Exactly, @Winter2020, especially after being together for a relatively short time-it’s not as if they were together for decades. He and his ex-wife sound daft when it comes to finances ( perhaps that contributed to their split).

ButterflyKu · 19/04/2024 21:34

This is crazy. Absolutely crazy.

There are not one, but TWO parents in this situation. They have children between them, not all 3 of you. It seems that ex DP had quite a chunk of money left over each month so he had more money to throw at school trips/clubs etc. Well guess what? He won’t have that extra money anymore and that’s not on you AT ALL.

If the relationship has ended then that’s it. The fact that he’d even bring this up to you is crazy. I feel like this is something you complain about to your friends. Not something you say to make your ex partner feel guilty. He could have saved the extra money that he had but he decided not too. Womp womp!

Run4it2 · 19/04/2024 21:35

Just wanted to say that you sound lovely, as does your sister. Don't give him anything towards his new place - that's on him. I wish you every happiness

Scarletttulips · 19/04/2024 21:37

You broke up yesterday and he and his ex are already complaining about their financial situation!

This struck me as well - he didn’t pack his bags and move out quietly hoping you’d change your mind, he was straight in to XW to tell her their financial situation had changed. He was living beyond his means thinking he had a life of luxury.

DH out earns me - I do not take the piss and spend a fortune on crap we don’t need.

Nor do I have the expectation of ‘free’ holidays, and we’ve been married 25 years.

ButterflyKu · 19/04/2024 21:38

Starting with how he can’t have the children overnight for the weekend now as there isn’t room at his parents,

Well maybe he should have told his children to be nicer to you and cut the crap if he so desperately needed you to continue funding his lifestyle. What a joker. Do not give in OP, stand your ground. I’m only on the second page and can see that you’ve had great advice.

I’ve also never seen the voting so clear cut too. I think the small minority that clicked on YABU must have done that by accident and didn’t realise🤣

Longtimelurkerfinallyposts · 19/04/2024 21:40

Flopsythebunny · 19/04/2024 20:09

I agree with you, but legally she cannot just dispose of them. If she did, he could take her to small claims court. There is a process she has to follow

@Flopsythebunny

What are you on about?
She's not talking about permanently depriving them of any of their personal possessions (clothes etc), by destroying them or keeping them (both of which could be considered criminal).
The OP has been very clear all the way through this thread that she wants to ensure her ex and his toxic tweens get their stuff back.

However she also mentions that she bought extra furniture and bedding for them to use when they stayed in her house.
These items belong to her and she can choose what she does with them - she's already said she has no use for them herself now, and has been thinking it'd be nice to offer them to the ex to furnish his next place (if he rents somewhere for himself rather than continuing to cocklodge/ cadge off his own parents).
But if he doesn't want to take them now, or arrange storage for them, she's perfectly within her rights to gift them to someone else (eg her niece and nephew), give them to a charity shop, advertise them on FB or Gumtree, dump them at her council's recycling centre.... whatever she wants.
There is no "process she has to follow" and I don't know why you thought it would be helpful to make this 'contribution' to the thread.

Ohnobackagain · 19/04/2024 21:48

@3LemonsAndLime no not your problem - for a start if they were arranging stuff based on your money they should have involved you! They seem to view you as some sort of cash cow and you are well out of it! Cheeky effers!

thirdfiddle · 19/04/2024 21:50

Well I hope he's lying about immediately having to cancel everything, because the alternative is that despite you massively subsidising his lifestyle he has put his kids in expensive schools and hobbies and put aside no savings at all, and committed to a school trip without having the funding in hand. Which would make him a feckless, irresponsible parent.

PatioDreama · 19/04/2024 21:57

It’s quite surprising he did not impress upon the children just how important you were as the hen that lays the golden eggs.
He took you and your generosity for granted and is now paying the price.

His sense of entitlement to your support is truly breathtaking!

Onelifeonly22 · 19/04/2024 22:04

You sound so lovely - as does your sister. I can’t believe you are getting any negative judgments at all. I think it would be different if the kids lived with you full time (in which case some form of notice would be reasonable) or you’d explicitly made promises and broken them - though even then he should have made provisions for that like losing a job. But that’s not the case here. You’d been in their lives only 2 years. And he wouldn’t have benefitted more by being on the mortgage for 3 years. The fact he doesn’t have a good amount of savings from the past 2 years doesn’t reflect well on him. I actually don’t think it reflects well on him that he let you spend so much on him / them generally so soon.

This must be such a tough time - no wonder your head is reeling. I really don’t think you should be paying any more money towards him. Presumably he could stay with his parents a while and he could always stay at the exes for his visits short term. Even if he can’t, it isn’t your issue. It is likely that anything you offer won’t be seen as enough by him anyway.

I very much doubt he was just with you for your money and you’ll go crazy thinking that - probably more that he just started to enjoy the money and take it for granted.

Sending hugs.

Palacelife · 19/04/2024 22:12

You are not being unreasonable and they are.
I think the difficulty for you here is that you didn’t leave your ex because of him, you left because his children are rude and also they way he and the kids mother responded to your separation, shows a disrespect for you tbh.
if you do have feelings for him still, it will be painful for you and even if you feel you’ve done the right thing, you may be a bit up and down with the separation
it sounds as though you are having vicarious responses for the children imposed on you, they are being rude to you and you have understandably set a boundary.

stay strong and get yourself some better company xx

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