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AIBU to not fund ex-partner’s children?

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3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 10:29

I have just ended things with my partner (ExDP). We have lived together for several years, no children. He has 2 tween children from a previous relationship (I have none). He is a good father, contributes jointly to children’s fees and items for them and general costs as well as pays maintenance above CMS and has them regularly. The co-parenting relationship with his ex is positive.

The issues is, I am a high earner, I earn over 3x my ex-DP’s income. He still earns a very good wage, well above average. In making the decision to move in together, I wanted to be sure to guard my financial position, and so I alone pay my mortgage, and all house maintenance related bills. ExDP and I contributed an equal amount to the ‘normal’ bills account (not proportionate to income). I also paid for most ‘extra’ things, like holidays, entertainment/meals out, usually on the basis that I was the one who mainly organised/booked it, so it was easier to pay, and obviously I could afford it. When out for things we would pay for things alternatively as the bill came up - he would pay for petrol in the car on the way to dinner, I would pay at the restaurant. It was never planned, just the person closest at each one would pay.

If asked, I would have said that he was on a ‘good deal’ with me, as obviously he had no rent or mortgage to pay, half of bills and me paying for the more expensive parts of our life - furniture, holidays and things as above. But I always felt like I was paying for some of those things to ensure no messy ownership issues (house, furniture etc) and he earnt less than me and had children who deserved his money, so it was right that I subsidise our life abit more.

The relationship has been difficult lately, mainly around his children and their attitude to me. (I am not the other woman, and he had been in another 2 year relationship before me). It started well, but has gotten disrespectful, and moved to rude and in recent months is now in the hurtful and toxic stage. My ex-DP has tried many strategies, I have bent over backwards, but after a recent issue time in my own life, have made the difficult decision that I don’t want to live like this anymore, and ended things with ex-DP yesterday.

This obviously involves him moving out, and he will have more expenses.

However he and his ex-wife are now furious with me, as apparently decisions were made about their children’s after-school activities and choice of school that necessitated him having the disposable income he did (that is, that he was with someone who covered more expenses and lifestyle costs, so he had a good standard of living whilst still having a lot of money to pay towards to his kids).

ExDP is furious that I am putting his children’s schooling at risk, jeapodising his contact time (he used to have them here, in my home, which is nice - now it will have to be at his parents, where they can’t stay overnight, until he gets a place of his own, the cost and standard of which he is also concerned about). He says a school trip for one would never have been agreed to if he knew his current financial circumstances and another will have to stop a hobby/sport as again, he can’t afford it. It is an expensive sport, to be fair.

All these decisions were made between exDP and his ex-wife. I was not consulted and didn’t think much of them. If I thought at all, it would have been to assume their parents would have made the decisions after considering their own financial circumstances.

My ex is not clear in what he wants/expects from me - just wanting to rant at me or I’m not sure if he means we should stay together (or just live together, but not be together?) so he can keep financing this, or if he intends to ask for money. I am trying to get my thoughts in order, as I just did not see this coming - AIBU here to break up with exDP and not expect a financial obligation to children that are not mine?

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Nonewclothes2024 · 19/04/2024 16:16

WhiteLeopard · 19/04/2024 10:35

YANBU at all and they had no right to make financial decisions assuming any input from you (even indirectly). In particular - making a school choice was really stupid of them!

I do have some sympathy about the short term decisions such as the school trip. It's natural to think "yes that should be fine" rather than "but what if Lemons and I split up before the trip?". Maybe as a goodwill gesture you could offer to pay for the trip? But make it clear that this is a one-off and that you are doing it as a nice gesture, not as an expectation.

What ? Why should she pay ??

SmallSoupcon · 19/04/2024 16:16

YANBU OP. Those kids don't deserve the trip and club, and this will teach them that obnoxious behaviour has consequences.

If your ex and their mum had parented properly, or were decent people themselves, they'd be supporting your actions in the hope their kids would shape up. Instead, they're all showing themselves to be entitled, greedy and rude.

Stick to your guns OP. This lesson might be the kindest thing you ever do for them.

slore · 19/04/2024 16:17

AcrossthePond55 · 19/04/2024 16:03

@3LemonsAndLime

Please don't give him money. He'll think of it as a 'payoff' and all that will do is reinforce to him and his ex that you know you have done something 'wrong' and that you 'owe them'. You haven't and you don't. You have ended a relationship that was no longer working for you and it appears you have done it in a calm manner with no nasty comments about him or his DC.

As far as giving his DC a 'goodbye gift', again, don't. They really don't deserve one and as a poster mentioned upthread you giving them their furniture is a gift in itself. Many people would sell it or to give it to a friend's or relative's DC. And as with the parents, you don't need to reinforce to his DC that anything is your 'fault'.

They all have made their beds (parents & DC) and they can lie in them.

What you need to do is get whatever you're giving them out of your house as soon as you possibly can, and then cut communications with him. You're a good person and you don't need him (or anyone) making you feel that you are not.

Yes, don't give them any money! They'll see it as nothing more than a sign of your guilt!

You've done nothing wrong. Your ex was wrong to be so entitled, and to be so reliant on you without your knowledge to finance his children's luxury lifestyle. That's entirely his fault for treating you as a cash cow, assuming it would never end, and having no back up plan.

It sounds like he was ok with the split until talking to his ex-wife and realising that they couldn't afford everything for his children any more. Now he's upset and blaming you. He has no one to blame but himself and his shitty brats.

This is entirely his fault for not having a back-up plan, and the children's fault for abusing you. It will be a big life lesson for them to not bite the hand that feeds.

burnttoad · 19/04/2024 16:17

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They have lived together for ONE year. Keep up.

Runnerinthenight · 19/04/2024 16:17

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This is somebody's life you're probing. It's not an article in Take A Break!!

@3LemonsAndLime I think you have been way more than fair throughout this relationship. Do not invest one more penny or one more minute of your time on this leech. If he's so in league with his ex on this, maybe she will have him back!? He has a brass neck on him, and she does too, expecting you to subsidise their kids!

And he should have seen this coming. He allowed his children to be rude and disrespectful. How much did he expect you to tolerate?

Don't meet with him or his horrible children again. Make a clean break. I wish you every happiness x

gettingbackonit23 · 19/04/2024 16:18

No decent parent would sit back and let their kids be abusive to their partner. The dad should have told the little shits that one more rude word and they weren’t coming to stay anymore. And the ex wife should have backed him up. Most normal people would be deeply ashamed if their kids behaved like these two have. Granted there will be ones making excuses saying it’s normal at that age. No it’s not. Do you think they go round using toxic language to their teachers or their friends parents or their sports coaches? My guess is not. Little bullies.

Maray1967 · 19/04/2024 16:21

OP, I’m not claiming that my DSs are angels - they certainly are not. And I’ve done probably more shouting and nagging than is ideal, especially in the teen years. But I don’t think I’ve ever felt like I needed to stay out of my house because of their behaviour. That is an awful feeling and no one should have to deal with that. He needed to have dealt with their behaviour when he saw what impact it was having on you.

It does sound as though he was using his rent-free savings to pay for a lifestyle that he can’t actually afford. He’s gone ahead and spent loads on them which you are subsidising, and which his ex hasn’t had to pay. I would not expect any new partner of my DH to effectively subsidise our
DCs’ education and school trips.

And bringing his DC over to yours to talk is wholly unacceptable- it’s very manipulative.

His circumstances have now changed and if he can’t pay for his DCs’ expensive lifestyle it will have to change.

Nicole1111 · 19/04/2024 16:22

Regardless of how well he treated you in the relationship, he’s clearly trying to emotionally manipulate you and guilt you now (especially with his plan to bring the children). Please don’t make any big financial decisions now while you’re vulnerable to that manipulation. Give yourself time and space to reflect on what you’d like to do and speak to your sister about it as she sounds very measured.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 19/04/2024 16:25

Just wanted to add to the messages of support, OP.

You are not being even slightly unreasonable. It sounds like you've been very generous to both your ex partner and his children over the years. Just because you have facilitated their lifestyle during your relationship does not mean you should not be entitled to end your relationship because this might have an impact on their lifestyle in the future.

You were very clear about the fact that you wanted to keep separate finances.

This is really not your circus, not your monkeys.

Your ex is a grown up and it is up to him to provide for his own kids.

HarrietPierce · 19/04/2024 16:25

"BUT, I do wonder if there was more that coul dhave been done or if you're throwing in the towel a bit too early."

The OP is doing it at exactly the right time.

RisingSunn · 19/04/2024 16:25

Herdinggoats · 19/04/2024 15:59

Typical little gits? It started well, but has gotten disrespectful, and moved to rude and in recent months is now in the hurtful and toxic stage. Sounds* *a bit more than typical to me.

Exactly. Some few posters are missing this point.

She felt like running away from her OWN home because of his children.

She has been more than generous both in spirit and in finances.

theholesinmyapologies · 19/04/2024 16:25

I'm glad you've realised you don't owe him and his children a particular lifestyle, OP. If he had truly valued you, he would have insisted his children were at the very least polite to you, not taken you for granted and walked all over you so toxically. And they carried on like your feelings don't count.

Don't feel bad and don't let them take advantage. These are his children to sort along with their mother. They need to figure it out going forward. IT's kind and generous of you to offer to let him have the bedroom furniture they were using in your home when he does find a place to live. Don't let him insist on 'more'. That's on him to provide. He should have been saving money for the past 3 years, seeing as you were paying for the bulk of everything and he was living rent/mortgage free and having his holidays paid for. It's on him if he's spent it.

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TheGreatestSecretAgentInTheWorld · 19/04/2024 16:29

I know I'm a soft touch. I'd still help fund the school trip.

Nextweektoo · 19/04/2024 16:29

They are jokers! Tell them to jog on and give him notice!

Emotionalsupportviper · 19/04/2024 16:30

Iaskedyouthrice · 19/04/2024 15:31

I haven’t ruled out making some payment to him to help get him in a rental property and somefurniture - I know people will say I am mad for considering it! But I do think I am a fair and decent person, and at the moment I am thinking this would be the decent thing to do

He has had 2 years of being subsidised by you. He should have saved something. Me and my OH do not earn a great deal, have 2 children but we SAVE. We cut our cloth. The reason he hasn't done this is because in just 2 very short years, he believes your money is his money. I still don't think that of my OH and vice versa, and we have been together for 20 years.
Giving him a lump sun would not be appreciated, it will not be enough and allows him to think that you owe him and his children. You do not. He wouldn't think you were a kind and decent person, he would think you were a mug and if he spots a chink in your armour it's game over. No discussions, no debating with him. Once he has collected his things, its done. If you are kind enough to let him take the children's furniture, because let's be honest you paid for it, then that is more than enough.
Come on now OP, you sound awesome. You do not hand over money to people who do not value you.

I would also check to ensure that by doing so it didn't mean OP was legally accepting some responsibility. (IANAL by the way, so I am probably miles off course, but I am sometimes amazed at what counts as a legal obligation)

savethatkitty · 19/04/2024 16:32

Please, please, please do not entertain any of this! Do not pay a cent. They are not your children. You have no financial obligations. Your ex DP clearly has no shame - he enjoyed you subsidising his lifestyle & the fact he wants you to continue is mind boggling. Don't do it.

Confettii · 19/04/2024 16:33

Pathetic that they’re not willing to both support the children THEY made. 😂

OP I am in a similar situation and financial arrangement to what you were in that DH earns less than me, it was my house before we met and two DSC a similar age. I never want to sit there with loads of money and watch the 3 of them struggle.

The difference is the kids treat me with respect plus my husband isn’t expectant I just like us all to have a good standard of living, not just me.

I wish you all the best OP. 💐💐

Emotionalsupportviper · 19/04/2024 16:34

Nicole1111 · 19/04/2024 16:22

Regardless of how well he treated you in the relationship, he’s clearly trying to emotionally manipulate you and guilt you now (especially with his plan to bring the children). Please don’t make any big financial decisions now while you’re vulnerable to that manipulation. Give yourself time and space to reflect on what you’d like to do and speak to your sister about it as she sounds very measured.

Very, very good advice.

This loss of the relationship that you thought you had is a form of bereavement @3LemonsAndLime , and the advice is not to make any big decision within a year of a bereavement.

You are grieving what you thought you had, and are very vulnerable.

zingally · 19/04/2024 16:36

Tough shit for him/them really.

Other people's kids are not your problem.

If you were/are fond of your children, there's nothing to stop you saying you're happy to continue funding their schooling until the end of the academic year. But that's entirely up to you, and certainly shouldn't be expected.
Plus every time he and ex-wife are knobbish towards you, any charity towards the kids goes down 10% each time. And if it's quickly on zero - oh well.

User884721 · 19/04/2024 16:38

I don’t want to see the children at the moment, the whole thing is a bit too raw

Bless you op. It's not easy for you either x

Wheresthebeach · 19/04/2024 16:38

Not a penny. If you do, they will only ask for more and more. Cut ties and be rid of them.

Emotionalsupportviper · 19/04/2024 16:40

BirthdayRainbow · 19/04/2024 15:38

Sarcasm..

Sorry!

Slow on the uptake today.

We really need a sarcastic font . . .

mollyminniemo · 19/04/2024 16:40

What a toxic situation you got entangled in. Congrats on getting out. It will feel like a weight lifted. You are not in the slightest responsible or guilty and they all sound entitled, spoilt, grabby, odd people and you should move on without another thought. Truly.

BananaLambo · 19/04/2024 16:41

I admire your reasonableness, level headedness, and strength. I am glad that you acted to close off the proposed ‘heart string pulling’ meeting tomorrow, and that you are being very generous in giving them the furniture you bought. You owe them nothing more, and don’t let him guilt trip you. Some people have suggested you pay him off, or pay for the kids activities and holidays. Do not do this. You don’t want to become someone they think is a soft touch they can tap up when they need cash/a holiday/rent - you could be at the end of begging messages for years. The relationship is over. The bank is closed. It is time to move on.

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