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AIBU to not fund ex-partner’s children?

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3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 10:29

I have just ended things with my partner (ExDP). We have lived together for several years, no children. He has 2 tween children from a previous relationship (I have none). He is a good father, contributes jointly to children’s fees and items for them and general costs as well as pays maintenance above CMS and has them regularly. The co-parenting relationship with his ex is positive.

The issues is, I am a high earner, I earn over 3x my ex-DP’s income. He still earns a very good wage, well above average. In making the decision to move in together, I wanted to be sure to guard my financial position, and so I alone pay my mortgage, and all house maintenance related bills. ExDP and I contributed an equal amount to the ‘normal’ bills account (not proportionate to income). I also paid for most ‘extra’ things, like holidays, entertainment/meals out, usually on the basis that I was the one who mainly organised/booked it, so it was easier to pay, and obviously I could afford it. When out for things we would pay for things alternatively as the bill came up - he would pay for petrol in the car on the way to dinner, I would pay at the restaurant. It was never planned, just the person closest at each one would pay.

If asked, I would have said that he was on a ‘good deal’ with me, as obviously he had no rent or mortgage to pay, half of bills and me paying for the more expensive parts of our life - furniture, holidays and things as above. But I always felt like I was paying for some of those things to ensure no messy ownership issues (house, furniture etc) and he earnt less than me and had children who deserved his money, so it was right that I subsidise our life abit more.

The relationship has been difficult lately, mainly around his children and their attitude to me. (I am not the other woman, and he had been in another 2 year relationship before me). It started well, but has gotten disrespectful, and moved to rude and in recent months is now in the hurtful and toxic stage. My ex-DP has tried many strategies, I have bent over backwards, but after a recent issue time in my own life, have made the difficult decision that I don’t want to live like this anymore, and ended things with ex-DP yesterday.

This obviously involves him moving out, and he will have more expenses.

However he and his ex-wife are now furious with me, as apparently decisions were made about their children’s after-school activities and choice of school that necessitated him having the disposable income he did (that is, that he was with someone who covered more expenses and lifestyle costs, so he had a good standard of living whilst still having a lot of money to pay towards to his kids).

ExDP is furious that I am putting his children’s schooling at risk, jeapodising his contact time (he used to have them here, in my home, which is nice - now it will have to be at his parents, where they can’t stay overnight, until he gets a place of his own, the cost and standard of which he is also concerned about). He says a school trip for one would never have been agreed to if he knew his current financial circumstances and another will have to stop a hobby/sport as again, he can’t afford it. It is an expensive sport, to be fair.

All these decisions were made between exDP and his ex-wife. I was not consulted and didn’t think much of them. If I thought at all, it would have been to assume their parents would have made the decisions after considering their own financial circumstances.

My ex is not clear in what he wants/expects from me - just wanting to rant at me or I’m not sure if he means we should stay together (or just live together, but not be together?) so he can keep financing this, or if he intends to ask for money. I am trying to get my thoughts in order, as I just did not see this coming - AIBU here to break up with exDP and not expect a financial obligation to children that are not mine?

OP posts:
MzHz · 19/04/2024 14:35

loveroflentils · 19/04/2024 10:34

such a long and detailed post when clearly you knew the answer anyway

Yeah but she’s coming under immense CF pressure and the indignation and anger that’s coming her way is probably making her second guess her decision

@3LemonsAndLime YANBU.

in every squeak or peep out of him or his ex, the answer is… “mmm, sounds like that is a YOU problem” and go on about your day.

he didn’t appreciate the ‘good deal’ he had, allowed his kids to treat you with contempt and you owe nobody anything.

good riddance to the lot of them!

abeeabeeisafterme · 19/04/2024 14:35

Money aside, there's no way I'd want to live with tweens who are rude to me. Their parents have caused this breakdown by poor discipline, you are in no way responsible and have endured enough.

DrJoanAllenby · 19/04/2024 14:36

Just wash your hands of them all and cut all ties.

He was riding on your coat tails and made no provisions for the future should you split.

He's a prize idiot. His kids are unpleasant and the ex wife had is a twit.

OfficerChurlish · 19/04/2024 14:36

He wants to bring the children over tomorrow for us all to have a talk.

We’ve had many ‘talks’ and exDP has tried to address the behaviour. I think this was being fair and reasonable that the behaviour wasn’t appropriate and exDP knew it had turned from rude to bad to toxic.

I thought about this long and hard before making my decision, but after the last weekend, I just wanted to leave the house and never come back. I have never felt like that before. I waited a few days, and still felt the same, and then I spoke to exDP about it all and ended things.

There are multiple relationships here: (A) your romantic/pair bond relationship with ExDP, (B) the family/household unit consisting of you, ExDP, and his two children, and (C) and (D) your relationships with each of the children independently of their father. Relationships B, C, and D would never have existed without, and are dependent on, Relationship A.

You've ended Relationship A. That's your right and ExDP has to respect that and let you go. But the wording of some of your posts makes it sound like you ended the relationship BECAUSE of the behaviour of the children, or and/or that ExDP believes that's the reason.

His wanting all four of you to talk sounds like yet another round of "how can we all make this work?" and that's inappropriate (and unfair to the children) now that Relationship A is over. Very likely, your feelings for ExDP and your optimism about a future with him have changed because he's not able to manage the children so that they don't make your life miserable, and he's not able to put you first because his children have to come first. That doesn't make either of you "wrong", just incompatible.

If ExDP wants to see you to get closure/understand what went wrong, it's up to you to decide whether or not to agree. It doesn't have to be as part of his packing up his things - personally, I'd go with your plan to be out of the house if you let him come in to pack, and if you meet him to talk do it separately in a public place. But PLEASE - IF you have that talk, have it with him alone and do not involve the children. Don't make them feel that this is their fault, even if you do blame them on an emotional level. It's not fair to make them feel responsible for the failure of an adult relationship they didn't initiate or want, weren't in control of, and can't fully understand. And it's not fair to give them false hope that they can "fix" something that you and ExDP have failed to fix.

Make a clean break with ExDH and let him handle explaining the situation to the children. If the two of you had decided to break the news to them together, that might have made sense - but you're past that now. If you wanted an ongoing relationship with either or both of the children, you'd need the dad to facilitate that (given their ages) - but you don't, so just leave it to him.

Bigcat25 · 19/04/2024 14:37

beAsensible1 · 19/04/2024 14:26

none of this your issue. DP should've had savings considering he is costs were very low and seen this relationship breakdown coming due to the challenging behaviour.

put your blinders on and ignore his whining.

His costs aren't very low though. Private school fees, school trips, expensive sports, extra maintenance to the ex. He was spending everything he made on the kids.

Have the kids always been in private school and the expensive sport, op? What did your sister notice that increased once he was living with you?

AdoraBell · 19/04/2024 14:38

Haven’t RTFT but wanted to say YANBU OP

Your ex and his ex can fuck right off. They are the parents, it’s their responsibility. End of.

Hope you enjoy your new life going forward OP

Beautiful3 · 19/04/2024 14:39

Sounds like you ended it for the right reasons. He is emotionally black mailing you, because he's annoyed his lifestyle costs more now. I wouldn't let them over, he's going to guilt trip you in front of the children. You'll struggle to kick them out. I'd ask your sister to drop everything off at his parents home. Beds can be sent on, at a later date. I'm sorry you're going through this right now.

Balloonhearts · 19/04/2024 14:40

Not your circus, not your monkeys.

kkloo · 19/04/2024 14:41

Op you sound so lovely ❤

While what's happened may be hurtful, in a way it's good when things like this happen because it really cements the end of the relationship, you can't really be talked into going back after that.

slippedonabanana · 19/04/2024 14:43

Well done on recognising that you were in a bad situation and taking steps to change it. I admire you. So many just drift along accepting unhappiness.

Let your sister and BIL support you now. Tell your ex to come and collect his things and the children's while you are not there. Do not enter into any ongoing nonsense about forwarding on furniture etc. It's finished this weekend after their things are collected. Don't give him any money no matter how much the leech and his ex wife try to demand it or emotionally blackmail you.

Floppyelf · 19/04/2024 14:45

PoisonMaple · 19/04/2024 10:34

You do not owe him or his children a penny.

Well done on protecting your financial position.

The costs for the children are down to their parents. End of.

Family law person here. Trust me, you're doing nothing wrong.

This plus I echo all the posters saying you’re well rid.

LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · 19/04/2024 14:46

Great decision. He would almost certainly have tried to manipulate you. You have your head screwed on despite being so sad about the whole thing. I hope it goes well for you.

Hecatoncheires · 19/04/2024 14:47

OP, just another voice to add to the chorus of YANBU. The children’s lifestyle is the responsibility of the parents and the parents alone. No way should they have been making decisions based on YOUR income. Greedy, grabby and tough shit that it’s now biting them on their arses. You have done nothing wrong. Do not let your ex gaslight you into thinking you have. All the best to you.

WearyAuldWumman · 19/04/2024 14:47

3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 11:20

He wants to bring the children as they have some stuff in the rooms they have here in my house and they need to collect it. He says we could all sit down and talk when they do

Bringing the children to collect things seems awful to me, as a parent wouldn’t you collect it for your children rather than have them pack and it be awkward and emotional? I am happy for them to have everything in their rooms - not just the books, clothes and personal stuff they kept here, but even the stuff I paid for - furniture and bedding etc - , however I know he won’t have space for it yet until he rents a place. I DO NOT want to ‘hold’ it for him. I just want this over.

I am going to ask my sister to be here tomorrow instead of me. I think seeing the children will make it worse. And I don’t like the idea of the talk. It seems to be a way to kind of wiggle back into being here and resuming things

Absolutely, OP. He's planning on getting the children to persuade you to change your mind. Not fair to them and definitely not fair to you.

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 19/04/2024 14:49

OP - do you only have your exPs word for it that his ex-wife is angry at you? Because I’d take that with a great big pinch of salt, she’s probably angry at him - if he’s not been clear he can only afford private schools because you were helping fund his lifestyle, she may well have agreed to a school choice she wouldn’t have done if she’d realised how precarious the funding from his side was, and now she’s pissed off that she’s got to find a place in another school, or work out how to fund it- but it doesn’t follow she’s angry at you, more him.

Given his previous relationship lasted 2 years and you are the second ex-step mother these kids have got, it was very foolish if she knew him not fucking things up with you was the only way these schools could be funded.

JadziaD · 19/04/2024 14:49

OP, While I really don't believe you owe anyone anything, I can't help but be interested in what were the issues. It sonds like you love your exDP and don't have any direct problems with him, it's just the children.

That is your right, of course. But at the same time, tweens and teenagers ARE challenging and I can't help wondering if there was more that could have been done and/or whether you could have handled it better.

Ultimately, you have every right to make decisions that work for you and your ex and his ex are being unfair. BUT, I do wonder if there was more that coul dhave been done or if you're throwing in the towel a bit too early.

MzHz · 19/04/2024 14:50

@3LemonsAndLime ive just read your most recent post, I’m so pleased your sister is helping you with this

you’ve done exactly the right thing

his children are not your responsibility. Never were, never will be. When parents make decisions about things like private school etc, they have to consider this their expense and not rely on others, the big trips etc, THEY have to fund this or save for it.

they were treating you like a cash machine because that is what you were to them. I know this realisation hurts, and once that hurt has subsided, you’re probably going to get VERY angry.

thats a good thing. Feel that anger, accept it, own it and process it and then put it away.

your life will be so much better without these people in your life

you have so many wonderful qualities to offer the right person… that doesn’t involve a PIN code or a contactless tap.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 19/04/2024 14:54

Your sister is brilliant and I am so relieved that she will not be there on her own. !!!

WearyAuldWumman · 19/04/2024 14:54

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 19/04/2024 11:58

He is now taking the piss
and bottling it
and selling it back to you !

Do not allow all these people into YOUR home
pack it for them
and make sure it is outside

you know what is yours and what is his and what is his childrens.

if you allow all these people into your home, then they can damage / destroy / steal.

You have finished with him, that is it, end of.

his disrespectful children do not ever need to enter your property again, they will take the piss out of your sister if she is the only person there,
and they will outstay their welcome as it will take ages for the children to pack and don't count on them arriving with boxes / suitcases to carry it all away with them.

your sister will be outnumbered if you allow all these people into YOUR property and is she able to tell them to leave - what are you going to do if they decide to watch the tv / have dinner / go to bed whilst you are out...

what are you going to do if they all move back in !!!

remember - the children were supposed to be staying at yours as their Mum is going away...

This is a very good point. The sister should not be there on her own.

I don't mean to be sexist, but is there a man in the family who could be there with her? (I know...I know...but sometimes a certain type of man only responds to another man.)

murasaki · 19/04/2024 14:55

A way for you to not blame the children is to frame that it is actually his parenting of said children which is at fault. Which is true.

And your sister sounds great.

3LemonsAndLime · 19/04/2024 14:57

Bigcat25 · 19/04/2024 14:37

His costs aren't very low though. Private school fees, school trips, expensive sports, extra maintenance to the ex. He was spending everything he made on the kids.

Have the kids always been in private school and the expensive sport, op? What did your sister notice that increased once he was living with you?

My sister didn’t say too much, I think she wanted to respect some privacy around money, but she said she (having kids a similar age as him) had discussions with him about the children, and the things he said or activities they did or the kind of ‘future planning’ or kind of ‘future expectations’ he and his ex had for the children (what activities they’ll do, what schools they’ll go to, tutoring, what holidays, do we pay for driving lessons, do we fund uni, do they get a job at 16 etc etc) seemed to change dramatically upwards from when she first met him, to later discussions. As she has children of a similar age, these things naturally came up and she noted it. She observed that neither he or his ex wife had changed their jobs in that time, and thought that the only thing to increase his financial position was his relationship with me. She obviously accepted their could be something she didn’t know about, like an inheritance etc, but her quiet observations led her to think that as he got more comfortable in the relationship, he started to think of the money I earnt as partly his to spend, and therefore inflated what he wanted to provide and offer for his children.

I assumed he was living within his means, as he had done before, but also benefiting in two ways - both from a better lifestyle - better house, better holidays, better things - that I was happy to subsidise, but also benefiting from saving a significant amount in rent and bills etc, which he could save or spend on himself or his children.

I can’t see that this is entirely wrong of him. In some ways you could see it as generous to want to improve the lives of his children. I guess I just would have liked to be part of the conversation, not to find out he was banking on me, without me knowing. And that he would blame me or expect me to continue to pay after the relationship ended.

OP posts:
therealcookiemonster · 19/04/2024 14:58

@3LemonsAndLime I think it's good your sister will be there with her DH.

a few things occurred to me

  1. even your ex only contributed to private school fees/golf lessons he should still have been able to save unless he was on a very low paid job which doesn't seem to be the case. the fact that he hasn't saved at all means either he has been paying for everything for his kids with his exw paying nothing and thereby lavishing money on herself/saving or he has been lavishing money on himself. either they are just using the kids as an excuse and they are the ones who will suffer not being able to continue in their freeloading ways. something is not adding up here.
  2. if the kids are rude and disrespectful why are their privileges not being checked? they should not be going to fancy trips or taking part in expensive hobbies while behaving like little shits. that's how you bring up entitled brats. so that is something you definitely shouldn't feel bad about.
Londonrach1 · 19/04/2024 14:59

Well done your sister. Be strong op don't be blackmailed anymore

SwingTheMonkey · 19/04/2024 15:01

JadziaD · 19/04/2024 14:49

OP, While I really don't believe you owe anyone anything, I can't help but be interested in what were the issues. It sonds like you love your exDP and don't have any direct problems with him, it's just the children.

That is your right, of course. But at the same time, tweens and teenagers ARE challenging and I can't help wondering if there was more that could have been done and/or whether you could have handled it better.

Ultimately, you have every right to make decisions that work for you and your ex and his ex are being unfair. BUT, I do wonder if there was more that coul dhave been done or if you're throwing in the towel a bit too early.

Yes, you’re absolutely right. Decorating the children’s bedrooms and furnishing them, cooking with one of them on weekend visits, taking the other out to read books and have hot chocolate, attending sports matches, dropping the kids off places, picking them up from school when they were sick just isn’t enough is it… 🙄

idontlikealdi · 19/04/2024 15:02

Oh come on, you come across as a very articulate, intelligent woman, do you really need to ask this?

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