To nominate the principle authors of the CASS review for this..

[NameChangeCass]

“Advocates of evidence based medicine have criticised the adoption of interventions evaluated by using only observational data. We think that everyone might benefit if the most radical protagonists of evidence based medicine organised and participated in a double blind, randomised, placebo controlled, crossover trial of the parachute.”

https://www.bmj.com/content/327/7429/1459.short?fbclid=IwAR0hTt57o-yFS61aJE-IGCpKSPaDs--rdrPlbiby_wBCF1czpAWDaCcAEcM_aem_ATiWMtvZxiSzw8pj9CX271gyDByuMHTOKwQskBcCXx9aZOj1IPusHJ_z79olcRiFlhE

You don't know what an ad hominim is, either. I'm literally attacking the argument, or rather the lack of it. Your "points" are dishonest and weak attempts at sophistry. That's why they don't stand and that's why you're employing the exact same tactics to avoid answering this. Because once you reject the best evidence while claiming to want the best evidence, well...what else is there?

Going through puberty is an entirely natural process.

Do you understand that it is not possible to go through an opposite sexed puberty?

You either go through your own, normal, natural puberty as per your own biological sex, or you don't go through puberty at all and never become a sexually mature adult.

Those are the only two options.

Perhaps OP is a transitioned person and is thus mistaking a challenge to the ideology as an attack on the self?

You are right , it wasn’t exactly an “ad hominem* attack , but it’s an accusation that draws into question my character (eg “dishonest” - which couldn’t be further from the truth.
i know you said my “points” were dishonest, but what is the implication of using dishonest arguments after all?) Rather than engaging with my “points” you simply declare them “dishonest” and “weak attempts at sophistry”, and “tactics”. So what is the point?
it’s getting personal and accusatory and for those reasons I’m taking a pause for my mental wellbeing, as it does take its toll. All the best with the rest of your day 🤞🏻

NameChangeCass · Today 12:27

I don’t really trust them to provide adequate care tbh, but I think they are better than nothing.

In the past, mercury was used to treat syphilis. Better than nothing, eh?

Ouch.

The dishonesty is clear in the posts. You cannot claim to want the best available evidence while rejecting the best available evidence with no actual refutation, just because you do not like what it says.

It is further dishonesty to try to stop people debating with you from pointing out the dishonesty.

If you do not wish to be accused of being a dishonest person, do not give dishonest arguments.

while rejecting the best available evidence

No. The opposite,
This entire thread is about how the Cass review did this and they shouldn’t have,. Anyway I really do have to go x

That’s because the best available evidence is rubbish, mate.

Cass tried to generate better evidence and was blocked.

If you have a problem with that take it up with the adult GICS.

In what way did Cass reject the best available evidence?

By recognising it was full of holes, tissue-thin and not a safe basis for certain medical practices? That's not rejecting the best evidence, it's uncovering better evidence and paving the way for better knowledge and safer treatment.

OP, you mentioned that your own research contradicts the findings of the Cass report.
I think it would be very helpful to others on this thread if you could provide a link so that we can read it.

I asked for such a link days ago. If there's quality research that Cass didn't know about , I want to see it.

The best available evidence is that you don't need to sterilise gender non-conforming, same sex attracted and neurodiverse children who believe they identify as the opposite sex, because most of the time they will grow out of it if you leave them the fuck alone.

HTH.

Lobotomies - they were great, too.

So to recap;
Activists are pushing to make procedures that sterilise children normal; while at the same time fighting for adults to socially transition with no procedures at all, as they cause sterility and thats a human rights violation.

Keep going - we know what the effects of natural, sex-related puberty are. Why do you think these should be prevented, given the life-changing impact on the individual's body?

Strange, isn't it? I know some have suggested it's about adults wanting 'validation' of their own feelings about themselves by "proving" such feelings are real because - look here! Trans kids!

He has nothing to provide. The fact that so many women got angered gave him a boner probably. There is zero reason for this whole thread other than that.

On a positive side, it seems that we all agree that this is a mental health issue and we are just debating the most suitable treatments. This is a step forward from the previous notion "they ARE women".

Long term consequences are , for example, the physical effects of endogenous puberty.

Puberty is a natural developmental stage, and precocious puberty is a condition where a child goes through it too early. The condition is because it's inappropriately early, not the act of going through puberty itself.

It's quite telling that OP, with various "mental health" breaks, has been the only person to push these dishonest arguments circulating on Twitter and Reddit. The TRAs aren't really sending their best. Erin Reed, Alejandra Caraballo and a host of Twitter/Reddit bros have zero credibility. And their echo chamber nonsense doesn't fly here.

The TRAs aren't really sending their best.

Actually, I think they are.

Are you also then saying the Swedish and Finnish government agencies also shouldn't have 'rejected' what you consider the 'best available evidence' for being such low quality? And the World Health Organisation and NICE? Plus very recently a German research team.

All of them? They are all wrong, in your opinion?

It couldn't possibly be that the evidence you have been led to believe is the 'best available' is just simply poor quality and shouldn't be used to shape health policy?

And this is a real concern.

ArabellaScott · Today 14:39

+ + The TRAs aren't really sending their best. + +

Actually, I think they are.

From what I've seen elsewhere, I think you're right. I wonder if la Flounceur will be back?

The magical internet algorithm just sent this video my way, it’s made by someone who is currently on the waiting list for MtF genital surgery on the NHS (so has made it through the diagnosis and hormonal prescription part of the pathway).

This has person is clearly vulnerable, has no family support and is socially isolated. Knowing the healing times & complication rates of gender related genital surgeries I simply cannot imagine that this vulnerable person’s quality of life will improve with surgical castration and penile amputation.

All humans deserve evidence based medical care but it’s especially important when there are other vulnerabilities, such as age or disability.