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AIBU to not be happy with my MIL as a neighbour or to have weekly contact with her?...

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Ewg9 · 10/04/2024 23:25

Just wondering other people’s views, and if I'm just on some post pregnancy hormone frenzy but we live next to my MIL, we have done for a year now in a house she owns (we pay the bills but pay no rent). I now have a five month old and since his birth I've really been struggling with her. I'll say that she was always the matriarch, twice divorced professional lady with her own business with two devoted sons. Since the birth, the dynamic between us has changed. She irritated me early on by coming over the last evening of husbands paternity leave to hangout with us and baby and I felt this was encroaching on our time as a new family. Since then she has interfered, with her opinions (I know she is entitled to say what she wants) and coming across on occasion critical and undermining our/my ability to care for the baby (I have read that this can be really normal unfortunately). My husband obviously finds her a support and i always try to remember this but i haven't found her supportive or helpful especially since baby arrived. she made a bad joke in the early weeks how she wouldn't help with house work and she pays someone to do hers and doesn't do ironing but that she'd hold the baby whilst i did it. She had the nerve awhile ago to say to my face how I’d had a good labour and that we have a good baby and that we were having an easy time. I snapped back and catalogued the difficulties we had had (yes the baby hasn't been colicky but there have been other difficulties like all first time parents might experience. Breastfeeding was a nightmare for months due to jaundice, a tongue tie and then thrush so the first 3/4 months of feeding were terrible. Anyway, MIL sees the baby once a week as she has hosted us for Sunday lunch since baby arrived and I may seem ungrateful, but I don't like seeing her every week and if anything, would prefer to reduce the contact. If she could, she would definitely be coming round more she is only next door after all. Anyway, she has recently said to husband, that she doesn't want to cook Sunday dinner anymore as she's not getting the time with the baby because she's busy cooking. We usually arrive and eat and spend a couple/ a few hours with her afterwards for her to have cuddle time. I’m trying to tell myself to appreciate what she has done, and that she lives on her own and that it’s good for hubby and for baby and that I can retreat and keep out of the way more as baby becomes more independent and that somethings just change.

but I am posting this as I don't know where to turn, I feel suffocated living next to her, and I just want space and time to be a new family. I feel the same with my own mother (she would be seeing the baby more if she could) she also sees baby once a week. I think it's more intense with the MIL as she lives next door and in fairness to my Mum she helped us loads with meals and with house jobs and I suppose she is my Mum. There are other things I could list about the circumstances which are difficult such as I don’t value the free house, it’s in a poor area and out of the town, i have no connection to the place and I feel very isolated (both physically and emotionally) and have done since the baby arrived. my emotional state is hanging by threads quite frankly though I am doing my best in trying to get out and meet other Mums at groups. Am I being unreasonable and just psycho Mummy for not wanting a weekly date with my MIL or to be her neighbour? Sorry for the jumbled essay but feel better for finally saying how I feel...

OP posts:
Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 11/04/2024 09:12

Scenicgirl · 11/04/2024 09:05

I remember it being hard after having a baby and you may be feeling a bit out of sorts with yourself and sense of identity.
Speaking as a 60 something woman, my view is your MIL probably worked dam hard to get to where she is, she has brought up her children, whilst working in a responsible role and is now is in the position to pay someone to do her cleaning, so I'm not sure why you would assume she would wish to do yours? Of course she has her own opinions, why shouldn't she?
Personally I would be pleased that she wants to spend time with her grandchild so you can crack on. As for living rent free, that's something many struggling adults would only dream about so get on with it or start saving money in order to enter the real world of a mortgage and bills.
By the way, I'm not criticising you, just that you need to look at the big picture of how bad your life really is having a MIL who is trying to help you.

My own nana (DM’s mother) always told both her daughters she didn’t want to babysit and never did, I only stayed with her once or twice as a child. She had cleaners too. It’s a bit of a generational thing with some of the older generation. She was also like OP’s DM in character, but a successful businesswoman with her own successful business who always said she never wanted children.

Andthereyougo · 11/04/2024 09:14

As she doesn’t was to cook Sunday lunch any more either you and DH could do it, leaving MIL to play with baby. Or leave MIL and DH to look after baby and take yourself to the gym, see a friend, go for a walk. Or might she babysit while you and DH have a couple of hours out?
I don’t think once a week is much and a rent free house gives you time to save for your own.

saraclara · 11/04/2024 09:14

She had cleaners too. It’s a bit of a generational thing with some of the older generation

It's no more a generational thing then it is for younger people who have cleaners or don't relish babysitting other relatives' children.

TitaniasAss · 11/04/2024 09:14

You have a few options OP

Put up or shut up (I would not recommend this at all)
Speak to your MIL about how she makes you feel and set some boundaries
Get your DH onside to speak to her about how she makes you feel
Thank her for letting you live there rent-free, but that it's time to move on and find somewhere else to live and pay rent/mortgage. This may be tricky depending on how your DH feels. BUT he needs to support you at a vulnerable time.

Dancingontheedge · 11/04/2024 09:17

It’s a bit of a generational thing with some of the older generation.

Yes, some of us fought long and hard to be seen as more than just wives, house cleaners and carers. And having escaped that box, are reluctant to be shoved back into it.

Starlight1979 · 11/04/2024 09:18

Meadowfinch · 11/04/2024 04:30

You are not being unreasonable.

Your home should be somewhere you can relax, have private time. Somewhere you can argue, be intimate, sleep at odd hours, regain your balance after a bad day.

And you can't.

You are unhappy. You need to move. If your dh won't agree to that, you have a dh problem.

Huh?! Why can't she relax or have private time or sleep because her MIL lives next door?! She's said they only see her once a week!!! I see my neighbours more than that and I'm not even related to them!

C8H10N4O2 · 11/04/2024 09:19

BudsBeginingSpringinSight · 11/04/2024 08:28

Op never asked or expected her mil to clean at all.

It was a mysogenistic comment thrown at op only by mil...

And don't you think I'm going to iron and clean oh no I'll be holding the baby..

Op never suggested or wanted her to clean.

Unfortunately the inference and comprehsion skills on the thread are very low. This is what totally derails a thread and makes it about op wanting her mil to clean.

She never said anything of the sort.

Edited

Honestly your posts get increasingly bonkers.

You don't know the context or even if the DH was there at the time. The OP said she is struggling with the baby - MiL offers to hold the baby whilst she gets on with other stuff. I used to jump at offers like that when PFB couldn't be put down for 30 seconds - just for the relief of doing something else. If MiL had started cleaning the odds are we would have yet another thread of "how dare MiL clean my house".

The MiL is a "matriarch" apparently because she is a professional woman who runs a business and a good relationship with her sons.

She lives next door but still only sees them once a week and has provided lunch - gods what a monster.

There is no such thing as a free lunch - OP and her DH have accepted a free house next to grandma. Lunch once a week is probably the cheapest "rent" I've ever heard of in this situation.

Frankly the OP reads as if she needs to see her GP. Five months in and struggling and pushing back on local grandparents seeing them even once a week (with the DGP hosting) sounds like someone who needs more help than randoms telling her the DGM is the problem in this situation, which will only isolate her further.

Ineedcoffee2021 · 11/04/2024 09:19

You need to move, its the only way to get clear boundaries
The house and free rent kinda give her that in and hard to push back without looking like a bitch

I get it, im private, like my me time and would find weekly WAY too much too
We rented from MIL for a bit, really cheap and if she lived in same town, id have had to just suck it up if she wanted to be around a lot

She came to stay for a month, i almost lost my mind.

blio · 11/04/2024 09:19

@saveforthat Ageism? Yet 99% of the replies on here are backing the MIL & lets me honest about the age range of the posters on here!

They all agree Op should panda to the MIL simply because of the money.

Which is very old fashioned!!

Thomasina79 · 11/04/2024 09:20

You might be glad of her help when your child is older and more demanding and when you are paying a large mortgage. A free Sunday lunch sounds wonderful. I would give anything to taste one of my late MIL Sunday roasts!

I agree with the others. Move out somewhere else where you will find the independence and privacy you crave.

Noyesnoyes · 11/04/2024 09:20

blio · 11/04/2024 09:19

@saveforthat Ageism? Yet 99% of the replies on here are backing the MIL & lets me honest about the age range of the posters on here!

They all agree Op should panda to the MIL simply because of the money.

Which is very old fashioned!!

No one is saying panda 🐼! Pander!

They are saying have a little gratitude and seeing her once a week is not unreasonable!

Noyesnoyes · 11/04/2024 09:21

blio · 11/04/2024 09:19

@saveforthat Ageism? Yet 99% of the replies on here are backing the MIL & lets me honest about the age range of the posters on here!

They all agree Op should panda to the MIL simply because of the money.

Which is very old fashioned!!

And no one is saying it because of their age! It's because it's right!

If it's only money, then go stand on their own two feet?

Tengreenbottles2 · 11/04/2024 09:22

It doesn't sound like she's particularly bad (in fact, by objective standards it actually sounds like she's trying pretty hard to be a "good mother in law"), it's just that you don't get on particularly well with her, and find it suffocating living so close to her. That's perfectly understandable (I've stayed long-term with in-laws so I know the feeling).

I think the best thing to do long-term is to move out, if you can afford it, but if not then I hardly think once a week is too much to see her. Ending the roast dinners is probably a good thing as it frees you up to shake things up a bit and you're not locked into a routine. Perhaps your husband could start doing things with his mum and the baby on the weekend sometimes, which you can't make because you've got an appointment, or you need to catch up on housework, or you're meeting a friend for a coffee for a couple of hours... Don't do that every single week though, you really don't want to offend someone who's giving you free accommodation!!

blio · 11/04/2024 09:23

@Noyesnoyes That's an opinion that it's not unreasonable though.

To OP it is, which is what matters.

Brawcolli · 11/04/2024 09:24

WarshipRocinante · 11/04/2024 00:42

Bet you wouldn’t have a problem if it was your mum, but as it’s the mother of a son… she’ll just get cut out, oh sorry… “reduced contact.”

She literally says in her post that she feels the same way about her own mum

C8H10N4O2 · 11/04/2024 09:25

Dancingontheedge · 11/04/2024 09:09

It's important to remember that babies have needs and their needs are solely provided by mum.

What crap. I went back to work ft when my first was four months old, and you know what? For ten hours a day, their needs were entirely met by their father.

Yes exactly.
Many of us were back at work long before five months - not least because we didn't get maternity pay beyond bare minimum for six weeks.

All those damaged babies we raised eh?

The casual ageism on this thread is also ridiculous. Where is the DH in all this? Its his baby, what is he doing to help the OP if grandparents are kept at arm's length?

TheGoddessFrigg · 11/04/2024 09:25

I just can't get past the rent free house. I mean if your husband earns squillions in the City,it might not impact on your standard of living.
But for a lot of families, it would mean one parent able to stay home and not have to go back to work, for example.

Dancingontheedge · 11/04/2024 09:27

Move out.
Risk the instability of renting, or the worry about paying a mortgage.
But of course the MIL could probably be relied upon to bail you out if you fail to manage your finances. Have you worked out childcare costs, and when are you planning to return to work?
Look at a few threads and boards on here, the future for those with dependent children is very expensive.

Floppyelf · 11/04/2024 09:27

Daleksatemyshed · 10/04/2024 23:31

You live in your MIL house for free but don't think you shoukd have to see her? Go and pay rent somewhere else then

This x a million

C8H10N4O2 · 11/04/2024 09:27

blio · 11/04/2024 09:19

@saveforthat Ageism? Yet 99% of the replies on here are backing the MIL & lets me honest about the age range of the posters on here!

They all agree Op should panda to the MIL simply because of the money.

Which is very old fashioned!!

Ageism from your own post:

blio · Yesterday 23:51
@Daleksatemyshed I'm guessing you are of grandparent age. This is typical of the older generation, they pay therefore do what they want!

Noyesnoyes · 11/04/2024 09:28

blio · 11/04/2024 09:23

@Noyesnoyes That's an opinion that it's not unreasonable though.

To OP it is, which is what matters.

Op asked was she being unreasonable

Yes is the answer by a lot of posters!

You've decided that these are older women based on.......... nothing except your ageism!

Lentilweaver · 11/04/2024 09:29

C8H10N4O2 · 11/04/2024 09:27

Ageism from your own post:

blio · Yesterday 23:51
@Daleksatemyshed I'm guessing you are of grandparent age. This is typical of the older generation, they pay therefore do what they want!

Tons of ageist comments on this thread, not all from the OP

"Matriarch" Why, because she earned her own money?
Older gen all have cleaners ( and why the fuck shouldn't they; it's their money)
Older gen pay, therefore they do what they want.
Yes, if you want to do what you want, pay your own damn way.

Dancingontheedge · 11/04/2024 09:30

They all agree Op should panda to the MIL simply because of the money.

Or we are saying move out and be fully independent. It’s the lack of reciprocity, the wanting all the stuff without any sense of obligation that is selfish.

Ineedcoffee2021 · 11/04/2024 09:37

blio · 11/04/2024 09:19

@saveforthat Ageism? Yet 99% of the replies on here are backing the MIL & lets me honest about the age range of the posters on here!

They all agree Op should panda to the MIL simply because of the money.

Which is very old fashioned!!

Not saying pander but when money and assets involved (house and free rent) the lines get blurred with family. Its never clean cut, ever.

MIL was shocked when we chose to not only move but buy in another state, she thought cheap rent would keep us in the state.

Moving out is the only way to break the hold and have clear boundaries
Then its OP and her DH house not a favor from MIL

HMW1906 · 11/04/2024 09:40

YABU. It’s once a week and you’re getting a free house out of it, even if you weren’t getting a free house once a week is perfectly reasonable. If you don’t want it be a Sunday lunchtime then, invite her for dinner once a week then she’ll have to leave when baby goes to bed or just have your husband take baby round there on his own alternate weeks and you stay home and nap/have a bath/do some jobs… you’re only next door so your husband can nip back when baby needs a feed.

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