To not get the hate thrown at EVs?

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We have an EV. We didn’t get it for environmental reasons, we got it because I have access to an EV lease scheme via work and it was the most cost effective way for us to get a new car. I don’t think I’m morally superior for having one. It serves us well, is nice to drive, and cheaper (for us) than running a petrol car.

What I don’t get is the visceral hatred some people have for them. I understand they aren’t for everyone, there are definite logistical challenges with on-street parking and long journeys particularly. However, I expect range and logistics to improve as time goes on. I also get that some car fans might find them a bit sanitised. But I don’t really get why some people are so viciously against them?

AIBU?

You just use a ?slippy Joe under the wheels. I think that’s what it’s called.

The only thing I really don’t like about EV is that they are too quiet. They are dangerous in car parks so should make some sort of noise, doesn’t need to be super loud, but loud enough for pedestrians to hear.

My sister has a big diesel car and hates my little EV Zoe and tries very hard to create opportunities to angrily tell me how awful EV cars are 🤷‍♀️

What a massive pita! I needed the loo, there was a queue ahead for bridge repairs, no choice but to swap onto the A1. I don't want to be obliged to stop somewhere I don't want to. How long does a charge take, because I was there for 10 minutes max.

walking or using public transport are far better options

Wait, someone claimed that EV is better for the environment than walking? Must have missed that, I thought we compared cars to cars.

They do make a whining or choral noise but I don’t think we are tuned into it yet. I’ve says above that they need a ‘polite cough’ button. I don’t want to beep the horn as it makes people jump. So I just go very slowly and wait very patiently. 😂

@Colddespiteduvet I don't disagree with you- of the two options, EVs are much better for the environment and the technology is improving quickly to become more user friendly

My point is that the initial marketing around them has been very misleading, not that EVs are bad- some people I have spoken to regarding EVs have been very ill informed (both regarding their good and bad points)

All said, the attention and time spent on EVs in my opinion would be better used tackling environmental issues on the industrial front (but that is for another thread)

They are so dangerous because they are silent. I have had a few near misses in car parks with their idiot drivers don’t look before reversing out. They should be made to make a noise when the engine is running. Today was the worst when I was on my mobility scooter and was hit by one of these death machines

All EVs I've encountered make noise when reversing, mine pings quite annoyingly, really hard to miss.

I don't like milk floats personally, in fact I do hate them, but if other people want them then that's fine.

My reason for hating them (Engineer by training / Physics Teacher) they don't solve the problem the purport to solve - if they were sold on the basis that "hey this cars electric, like a forklift" then great, but apparently they are going to save the planet (huge spoiler, they won't) so people are buying them often under false belief, that I hate, so I hate them (the EVs that is).

They do make a whining or choral noise but I don’t think we are tuned into it enough yet. They may be need a better noise!

The best option for the planet is as little travel as possible but if you have to travel by car, EV is the lowest carbon footprint. If the battery is manufactured in Scandinavia using renewable energy, an EV is lower carbon from the moment it starts clocking up miles.

That's using the premise that CO & CO2 are responsible for climate change, unfortunately there is data from ice core samples that shows higher concentrations of CO2 present at times of cooling - but of course too much investigation of this may derail the climate catastrophe gravy train, no one wants that.

Carbon footprint is a nonsense phrase, carbon is a solid element and building block of all life on earth, its not harmful, compounds containing it can be, but not carbon itself.

Problem is the things aren't green, not one bit, they are made from steel, plastic, aluminium, magnesium, not to mention the lithium. Vast numbers of components are made in the far east and India who really are not on the environmental bandwagon (well they are, but they are making money out of it, not helping it out, rather sensible actually!)

The main issue for the planet is mans activity in polluting it, the human population is too big, normally when populations get too big nature rebels and cuts them back hard, but we've worked round that, for now.

A reduction in the world population by say 90% would be the best solution - and keep the IC engine!

Oh.

But the information about price is useless without also giving information about range.

Why would I spend £5000 on an EV if the range is only 150 miles, for example?

I have an EV and I love it. The infrastructure is getting better and yes, it’s change in terms of how you plan journeys. The govt put it back for votes, because so many moaned about them.

Is it the answer to reducing carbon? Probs not. That would be reliable and affordable public transport. That would be investment in 100% access to affordable, reliable fast Internet. That would be rewarding online shopping vs individual shopping. That would be a change in house building, and energy supply. A change in views to wind farms, solar fields. A change to the price of EVs vs ICE vehicles.

@SabreIsMyFave

EVs have also been proven to be dangerous/catch fire easily.
Wrong

ICE cars are more likely to catch fire than EVs.

You'd better rush out and get rid of your ICE car now

www.driving.co.uk/car-clinic/are-electric-cars-more-likely-to-catch-fire-than-petrol-and-diesel-cars/

commercialvehiclecontracts.co.uk/ev-fire-vs-diesel-and-petrol-statistics/#:~:text=According%20to%20recent%20research%2C%20the,July%202022%20to%20June%202023.

@toomuchfaff

I was going to include the safety thing but wasn't sure the figures so I left that out..

Good. Because @SabreIsMyFave is wrong

ICE cars are far more at risk of catching fire.

Dear God you spout rubbish.

Of course they can be recovered

She's trapped in really unhelpful algorithms and only uses SM for news.

What??**

Hope you don’t eat then…given how dangerous agriculture is

I did give the range. I just wouldn’t know what a tank of petrol gives you in a small car. I’m not a car sales person 🤷‍♀️😂

Sorry. So if you only use social media to get news you get shown similar things all the time. So if you like X the algorithms within the code show you more X. In order to get balanced information you have to get news from other sources.

Wrong post.

You must have said it in response to someone else because it wasn’t in response to my question.

I’m genuinely curious what the range is as my petrol car cost about 4k and can do over 400 miles. I wouldn’t spend more money than that only to get a car that covered 150 miles for example.