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To be terrified I'll lose my license

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PepsiMaxx0 · 04/04/2024 10:15

I have a clean driving license. Driving for over 40 years with no incidents. Like many others I sometimes go over the limit on motorways if I consider it safe to do so....
I was travelling back from Manchester airport on the m62 during the early hours of this morning. Almost empty motorway. Doing about 80mph average I would say. Occasionally crept to 85. I noticed a camera flash on the gantry. No limits were lit up. I assumed it was from the other side and carried on. Several miles later it did it again and yes for a 3rd time which is when I thought this is too much of a coincidence it must be me! I've just woken and have that sick feeling. The only defence I can offer is motorway was empty, it was between 4 - 5 am this happened and I do not think I was driving dangerously. I just wanted to get home to bed after a late night flight. What will be the penalty for this?

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Itsaloadofbollocksbut · 04/04/2024 11:48

whyismysoupcold · 04/04/2024 11:46

I'd take someone driving sensibly at 85mph over somebody hogging the middle lane at 58mph any day of the week. Those are the dangerous drivers.

Hear hear. 👏

CagneyAndLazy · 04/04/2024 11:50

OP, your mistake is posting anything about speeding on MN.

There will be thousands of parents on here who are very distracted by having children in their cars, some sneaking a look at WhatsApp, some who only god knows how they ever passed their test.

But yet you're more dangerous than Putin because you exceeded the speed limit.

I'd give posting any further on this thread a hard swerve (pun intended).

ACynicalDad · 04/04/2024 11:50

I very much hope that there was a fourth camera you didn't spot and you get 12 points and a ban; failing that 9 points on your license for the next three years might teach you to keep within the speed limit. They are there for a reason, I hope the fines are large too.

PickledPurplePickle · 04/04/2024 11:52

No excuse

Mrsttcno1 · 04/04/2024 11:54

CagneyAndLazy · 04/04/2024 11:50

OP, your mistake is posting anything about speeding on MN.

There will be thousands of parents on here who are very distracted by having children in their cars, some sneaking a look at WhatsApp, some who only god knows how they ever passed their test.

But yet you're more dangerous than Putin because you exceeded the speed limit.

I'd give posting any further on this thread a hard swerve (pun intended).

Eee yes because speeding is SO cool !! The law is optional ! Driving 15mph OVER the legal speed limit and continuing to do so even when you think you’ve been caught by one speed camera because you are just truly that brilliant you believe you’re above the law is so safe ! And anyone who thinks abiding by the law is such a fun sucker x you’re so right

Tessisme · 04/04/2024 11:55

Maybe it's just me, but ramping up to 80mph isn't going to save a huge amount of time. A few minutes over a distance of 100 miles. And whether anyone thinks 70mph isn't fast enough for them is neither here nor there. It's the motorway speed limit in this country and 80-85mph is a deliberate breach as opposed to drifting over a bit. We don't live in France or Germany. If we start looking at whether other countries' laws are 'better' than ours, then maybe we can decide to own a gun - 'cos, ya know, Americans have them.

JosieJones1987 · 04/04/2024 11:56

CagneyAndLazy · 04/04/2024 11:50

OP, your mistake is posting anything about speeding on MN.

There will be thousands of parents on here who are very distracted by having children in their cars, some sneaking a look at WhatsApp, some who only god knows how they ever passed their test.

But yet you're more dangerous than Putin because you exceeded the speed limit.

I'd give posting any further on this thread a hard swerve (pun intended).

Because speeding isn't big and it isn't clever. It's a selfish choice.

CagneyAndLazy · 04/04/2024 11:57

ACynicalDad · 04/04/2024 11:50

I very much hope that there was a fourth camera you didn't spot and you get 12 points and a ban; failing that 9 points on your license for the next three years might teach you to keep within the speed limit. They are there for a reason, I hope the fines are large too.

Wow, what a shitty post. You should change your name to "APuritanicalDad".

The fines will not be large because they're minor fixed penalties at those speeds.

It's spelled "licenCe".

SevenSeasOfRhye · 04/04/2024 11:58

squashyhat · 04/04/2024 10:21

Why didn't you slow down the first time you got flashed?

This - your behaviour is baffling, what did you expect would happen?

CagneyAndLazy · 04/04/2024 11:59

JosieJones1987 · 04/04/2024 11:56

Because speeding isn't big and it isn't clever. It's a selfish choice.

And so is driving while being distracted by screaming/arguing/fighting children, but I see it daily.

Exceeding the speed limit isn't automatically dangerous - if it was you'd be prosecuted for DD not SP offences.

Edit to add: I've driven at over 160mph in Germany several times. No one died.

1offnamechange · 04/04/2024 12:00

Itsaloadofbollocksbut · 04/04/2024 11:35

I drive a lot further than that. I can save an hour on a 300 mile trip.

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To get a 300 miles journey down from 4hr17 (the time it would take @70mph the whole way, so no smaller roads or speed limited areas) to 3hr17 you'd have to be driving at 92mph the whole time. If you're driving that fast over the speed limit you deserve to get caught tbh. Plus thats in ideal circumstances (quiet, journey almost consistently on motorway)The vast majority of journey aren't that though - they are less than 30 Mins, involve access/interjections via smaller roads at lower limits, busier periods where you can only get past 75 for a few minutes before there's a hold up etc.). So for the vast majority of journeys MOST PEOPLE make daily you could drive ten miles over the speed limit for your whole journey (sufficent to get a ticket) and still only "save" 2 to 3 minutes.

Mrsttcno1 · 04/04/2024 12:03

CagneyAndLazy · 04/04/2024 11:59

And so is driving while being distracted by screaming/arguing/fighting children, but I see it daily.

Exceeding the speed limit isn't automatically dangerous - if it was you'd be prosecuted for DD not SP offences.

Edit to add: I've driven at over 160mph in Germany several times. No one died.

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If you’re paying close enough attention to what children are doing in OTHER cars, I think you need to learn to keep your eyes on the road.

Exceeding the speed limit is automatically illegal, that is the case because it has been assessed as safe to drive up to that limit.

Not sure why you’d bother trying to defend someone who’s openly admitted to driving 15mph over the limit (so a far cry from say 74 in a 70 which could perhaps be accidental), and who cares so little about THE LAW that even when they thought they’d been caught they continued to drive in that manner.

Itsaloadofbollocksbut · 04/04/2024 12:04

1offnamechange · 04/04/2024 12:00

To get a 300 miles journey down from 4hr17 (the time it would take @70mph the whole way, so no smaller roads or speed limited areas) to 3hr17 you'd have to be driving at 92mph the whole time. If you're driving that fast over the speed limit you deserve to get caught tbh. Plus thats in ideal circumstances (quiet, journey almost consistently on motorway)The vast majority of journey aren't that though - they are less than 30 Mins, involve access/interjections via smaller roads at lower limits, busier periods where you can only get past 75 for a few minutes before there's a hold up etc.). So for the vast majority of journeys MOST PEOPLE make daily you could drive ten miles over the speed limit for your whole journey (sufficent to get a ticket) and still only "save" 2 to 3 minutes.

Most motorways aren’t 70 consistently so I averaged it to 60.

I live in Glasgow and work in London. My journeys aren’t what “most” people do.

(have never been caught speeding. You’d think the odds would be against me.)

Itsaloadofbollocksbut · 04/04/2024 12:06

Ha. Motorway limits were set how many years ago?! They need review to take into account the improvements in braking and handling on modern cars (and I say that as someone with a classic car too).

Kelly51 · 04/04/2024 12:07

There were no signs as to limits? you know the limit is 70. You deserve the points for being so daft as to not slow down after first flash.
Bad news or not you were stupid.

CagneyAndLazy · 04/04/2024 12:08

Exceeding the speed limit is automatically illegal, that is the case because it has been assessed as safe to drive up to that limit.

That's absolute genius. 😂

"Assessed" when and by whom?

The motorway speed limit has been 70mph since it was introduced, when cars were absolute death traps.

No one did any assessment whatsoever. It was an arbitrary figure plucked out of nowhere and continues to be so.

It may be perfectly safe to do 90mph on a given stretch of motorway today in perfect conditions and zero traffic. The same limit applies tomorrow when it's pissing with rain and packed with vehicles and not safe to even do 60mph.

We need to make our own judgement about what's safe, not rely on an arbitrary number while driving like a zombie.

Joeyandchandler · 04/04/2024 12:08

Someone I know has just lost their license doing the exact same thing

JeysusH · 04/04/2024 12:08

CagneyAndLazy · 04/04/2024 11:59

And so is driving while being distracted by screaming/arguing/fighting children, but I see it daily.

Exceeding the speed limit isn't automatically dangerous - if it was you'd be prosecuted for DD not SP offences.

Edit to add: I've driven at over 160mph in Germany several times. No one died.

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Driving at 160pmh on a motorway (if indeed you did, I'm somewhat sceptical), is an extremely stupid idea even if permissible by law.

You have absolutely no time to react to circumstances and would be but a smear on the road should you crash. Even some small debris on the carriageway could cause a catastrophic accident at that speed.

JosieJones1987 · 04/04/2024 12:09

If you'd like to drive at excessive speed, go to the Autobahn or book yourself a track day.

mondaytosunday · 04/04/2024 12:11

I just googled it and only parts of the M62 are smart. And the RAC says smart motorways will still record your speed even if no restrictions are in place, but they do not flash. So regardless, I imagine at least one of those flashes caught you on a non smart area, and if consistent speeding, as you say, you may have been caught in a smart area too. The fine is capped at £2500 on a motorway but don't know about multiples infractions. Also your insurance will go up an average of 25% for getting six points.
@CagneyAndLazy that's nothing to boast about. I've driven for 35 years and never had an accident - could have one today though. It's not just yourself, it's how others are driving too.

TokyoSushi · 04/04/2024 12:11

Oh no OP, M62 from where to where? The stretch from Manchester to Warrington has loads of cameras and they do fine you...

BobnLen · 04/04/2024 12:12

If you go to court and they are within a few minutes you may get one lot of points for two offences, it depends really if it's worth going to court to do this instead of taking the points, if there are three offence and you haven't had any in the last three years that would be a course and 2x3 points so no loss of licence anyway

BrokenWing · 04/04/2024 12:13

I sometimes go over the limit on motorways if I consider it safe to do so....

I think you should challenge any tickets and use that as your defence in court. Let us know how it goes.

You are deluded if you think you are in any way qualified to make the decision if it is safe for you to drive at 85mph. Speed kills.

ShoesoftheWorld · 04/04/2024 12:14

CagneyAndLazy · 04/04/2024 11:59

And so is driving while being distracted by screaming/arguing/fighting children, but I see it daily.

Exceeding the speed limit isn't automatically dangerous - if it was you'd be prosecuted for DD not SP offences.

Edit to add: I've driven at over 160mph in Germany several times. No one died.

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160 mph? I hope you mean 160 kmh. 160 mph = over 250 kmh and even in Germany (I live there) would be considered dangerous driving per se. I don't agree with the concept of no speed limits, but they're not actually a free-for-all. (And from a practical POV, large stretches of the Autobahnen are either intermittently or permanently speed-limited to 120 kmh anyway).

Keepingongoing · 04/04/2024 12:15

Many years ago, I used to weekly commute with my partner. We used a bit of motorway which was very new and always very empty. It was also dead straight.

On this particular day, it was even emptier than normal, hardly any other vehicles in sight at all, it was a fine clear day, no rain, everything fine, no joining traffic from junctions. So we were speeding.

Safe to speed? In our judgement, yes, completely.

Until a man walked, yes, walked across the motorway pushing a wheelbarrow.

We didn’t hit him. My partner slowed right down and luckily there was no one behind us. But if we’d been going fractionally faster, or he’d set off a second later, or stumbled…

My point is that the unexpected can always happen. Perhaps more likely to happen when the road is very empty because people’s perception of risk changes.

Neither of us has knowingly speeded since.

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