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Ex DH’s GF told my DD that her Autism was caused by a vaccine I gave her…

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RainingUK · 03/04/2024 13:29

DD sees her father twice or three times per year for a couple of days out on each occasion (no overnights). We split up a long time ago and he has lived with a number of partners. Ex DH has settled over the last two years with a gf.

His sister says she is controlling and needs to accompany him wherever he goes and she has some “funny” ideas. I’ve been pretty open to this gf as my DD(13) liked her from the first time they met. She was the first gf to talk to her, show an interest in DD and talk about the things she enjoys.

Last time they visited (December), he said that he wasn’t keen on his gf coming into my house when dropping DD back after having lunch/shopping etc. I told him she was very much welcome. DD came back saying that gf had told her all about her anti-vax views etc. DD was balanced about this- has her head screwed on. They asked her to try to stay overnight with them at some point (history of not sleeping- ADHD/Autism).

ExDH made a big thing in the build up to his latest visit that it was just going to be them so they could spend 1:1 time together. Not DD’s suggestion or mine but I think DD was quite pleased. ExDH visited last weekend and gf was with him. She didn’t come to the house (excuse about stomach ache etc, which was fine). Ex DH plonked him self on the sofa like he owned the place and started spouting some really unpleasant, radical and racist stuff which I have never heard come out of his mouth before. DD and I challenged these views very strongly.

ExDH then told me that, at lunch, gf had told DD that her MMR vaccine had given her Autism. DD was a bit shaken by this but it quite scientific in her outlook and knew this had been disproved luckily. She has heard all of their theories about Covid endlessly. She spoke up but gf’s logic was, “You don’t seem autistic anyway.”

Gf had apparently gone around the shops with the Yuka app telling DD that she needs to clear out the makeup she has at home and she (kindly) bought her a Bert’s Bees lips balm, showing her on the app that it was “clean”. Im a long-term vegetarian who does talk about UPFs with DD etc but we are not obsessive.

DD had a huge meltdown the next day when they had gone. She let go and a lot of stuff came pouring about how ExDH had said that there was “a lot” she didn't know about me! She told me that I shouldn’t worry as she knows me inside and out so there’s nothing to say. Felt like a lot of pressure on her shoulders.

Situation with ExDH is that we split when DD was 19 months because he wasn’t present or being a parent to her. Turned out months afterwards that a local taxi driver confessed to my father that he had been visiting a different woman’s house every night. This was happening through the pregnancy too. Our split wasn’t acrimonious as I owned the house and simply asked him to leave. I was used to doing everything on my own by that point anyway. We have always been pleasant when we see each other because there’s no other way to be. We have had our blowouts over the phone when I’ve told him that he should be more involved.

AIBU to think that the radical views/racism/possible alienation are a serious concern? I’d like DD to try to stay over with them but I’m feeling very uncomfortable; more importantly, she has been made to feel uncomfortable. I know they’re totally entitled to their views but I feel worried.

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RainingUK · 03/04/2024 15:06

I think DD wants some sort of contact because she has older half siblings she’d like to keep in touch with and a lovely family back in another part of the country that she gets on with. Her motivation has always been about keeping in touch with them more than anything.

I feel nervous of her staying with ExDH/gf (and being 3 hours away), hearing this stuff and feeling overwhelmed.

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RainingUK · 03/04/2024 15:08

Thank you to the person with the ND family! I’ll tell her that too next time she seems worried about “passing it on”.

The irony is that I believe ExDh is ND!

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Amelie2024 · 03/04/2024 15:09

@RainingUK

dhes old enough now to keep in touch with her half siblings & extended family, never has it been easier. She doesn't need him as a go between now

SummerFeverVenice · 03/04/2024 15:15

RainingUK · 03/04/2024 15:08

Thank you to the person with the ND family! I’ll tell her that too next time she seems worried about “passing it on”.

The irony is that I believe ExDh is ND!

We are proudly ND. My ND DD is at Loughborough doing Engineering and do you know what? They had a special ND freshers orientation event!

By the time your DD has DC, things will be so inclusive we will look back at now as weird and intolerant.

This is one part of society that is moving forward, unlike so many others.

Postapocalypticcowgirl · 03/04/2024 15:17

I think some of this is pretty inappropriate (borderline abusive) to be talking to a 13yo about. I definitely wouldn't be pushing or encouraging overnights with ExDH and girlfriend at the moment.

I would also ask your DD if she wants to see him, or just half siblings, or extended family.

As you speak to his sister, it would be possible to arrange some contact without him or his GF there, I think?

If she is at all uncomfortable, I definitely wouldn't push overnights.

SummerFeverVenice · 03/04/2024 15:18

RainingUK · 03/04/2024 15:06

I think DD wants some sort of contact because she has older half siblings she’d like to keep in touch with and a lovely family back in another part of the country that she gets on with. Her motivation has always been about keeping in touch with them more than anything.

I feel nervous of her staying with ExDH/gf (and being 3 hours away), hearing this stuff and feeling overwhelmed.

See if you can go with her? So she has a safe person there.

other than that, there is always discord & WhatsApp keep in touch with siblings directly.

RainingUK · 03/04/2024 15:19

She is an actor, did a lot of screen but more stage now as she’s tall. So many of the actors/crew she has met/meets are ND too. I think this idea of the vaccine supposedly “causing” it probably shook her.

DD seems to believe that gf is sceptical about Autism even existing so maybe that has fed into this as well.

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RainingUK · 03/04/2024 15:26

ExDH and I are from a small town tucked away in the West. His siblings are all lovely (big family) and are scattered about. They all go back to this place for holidays/events.

DD was a bridesmaid for ExDH’s sister last October. She just mucked in with the bride and her friends/other bridesmaids/cousins/ her brother. I can see why she wants to be on good terms with them all. I stayed locally and just waved at bride outside the church at her request. I was there if DD needed me (she didn’t) and she returned to me by midnight so she could sleep under the same roof. No problems at all and I was happy to drive 250 miles. DD did not want to stay overnight at the wedding so she came back to me. She has been on Melatonin since September which has worked wonders.

I would consider staying nearby if DD did stay with ExDh and Gf. I know my mum would happily come with us and we could just do our own thing.

PP that inferred that some of the messages they’re giving DD are borderline abusive, think I agree. Just feels really sinister.

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GingerIsBest · 03/04/2024 15:29

Like the idea about opportunities for critical thinking. Part of me feels that ExDH really is being controlled and manipulated. I think you've said this or some version of it in at least 2 or more posts.

But here's the thing - he's barely had a relationship with his DD in 13 years. this is not a man for whom you should be feeling sorry.

I think your DD sounds sensible. I think it's reasonable to say you don't think she should stay with them if this nonsense will be spouted, but rather aim to facilitate the relationship with her extended family in other ways. She's old enough to be able to call/text them directly or even arrange visits.

Your exDH is clearly a very weak person who has now fallen in with someone who has all believes all kinds of conspiracy theories. He (and/or her) most likely therefore will believe all kinds of negative things about you which is probably why she doesn't want to meet you. This is not normal or healthy.

SummerFeverVenice · 03/04/2024 15:33

PP that inferred that some of the messages they’re giving DD are borderline abusive, think I agree. Just feels really sinister.

You do need to be careful as autistic people can be more vulnerable to situations like this and parents that interact/treat/discipline them as if they were NT can use tactics that are abusive/damaging to a ND person.

BusMumsHoliday · 03/04/2024 15:35

RainingUK · 03/04/2024 14:24

Thank you. My DD was wistfully asking me last night if I thought her children would have Autism and should she ever have any; would it be fair? This is a highly intelligent, sociable and lovely person who helps to make the world a bit brighter. I’m so sad she’s thinking of it like that.

My DH is autistic. We have two kids: one DS just diagnosed and one DD who so far seems NT but who knows (she's tiny). We knew my DH was autistic and in runs in his family (though now, looking at it, there's enough ND people on my side too). My son has struggles and I worry about some things, but he's also a brilliant kid, who absolutely should be in this world and is mostly really happy. Similarly, my DH has a really prestigious job, fulfilling hobbies, great friendships, and a pretty awesome wife...

Lots of amazing scientific and artistic feats were achieved by people historians now suspect might have been ND, and that continues to this day. Also, we don't really know what world we'll have in the future - maybe ND people will have even more of the skills we really need.

Also, your ex sounds unhinged and I would look at facilitating your DD to have contact with her relatives on that side without going through him.

RainingUK · 03/04/2024 15:36

I don’t feel sorry for him- at least, I shouldn’t!

Training I’ve done on Prevent/radicalisation is coming up in my mind and I wonder just how radical a person’s views can be before they’re A Problem. I know if he spouted half of what he said to DD and I on the street, he’d be in trouble.

I wonder how easily radicalised DD could be…

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RainingUK · 03/04/2024 15:37

I think DD has felt positive about being ND until now. That’s partly why it took 12 years. I needed her to understand that she isn’t a problem that needs fixing.

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Ellie525 · 03/04/2024 15:45

Well ExDH and gf sound like nightmares I think you're coming across very calm and patient 🙈😅

Definitely dont push the overnights if noone is clamouring for them, staying somewhere overnight is so different to just having a few hrs when it comes to masking/tolerating BS etc...

If he only sees her a few times a year hopefully your lovely DD has chance to recover and ground herself with you before next contact... and hopefully gf is off the scene by then! 🥴

RainingUK · 03/04/2024 15:53

Thanks all. I’m a patient woman!

He’s always insisted that DD is not affected by her time with him. Of course, she masks and then has meltdowns once he’s gone. When she was little, it took 3 weeks for her to recover and nowadays about a week.

His mother unfortunately passed away a few years ago and he says she “sent” him this gf…She presents as librarian-like (no offence- I have friends who are librarians who don’t match the stereotype) and “brainy”. The big thing is that she is “clever”. Turns out she didn’t go to the same uni as me as he said initially anyway.

Anyway, going to uni does not make a person “clever” or well informed and there lies the issue…

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pikkumyy77 · 03/04/2024 15:58

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JPGR · 03/04/2024 16:21

RainingUK · 03/04/2024 15:08

Thank you to the person with the ND family! I’ll tell her that too next time she seems worried about “passing it on”.

The irony is that I believe ExDh is ND!

I was going to ask that. It’s usually genetic. Does he blame his on the vaccine.

isitbananatimealready · 03/04/2024 16:24

RainingUK · 03/04/2024 14:28

Thank you. I think that would be a great idea. She is so offended that he makes these suggestions about me when really, it is probably to cover his own back. It would probably be helpful to express all of this. She has got really run down since he left and I daren’t raise the subject of staying with them at present.

Perhaps it would help her if you were to explain that if she feels uncomfortable, or doesn't like the things they talk about, then she does not have to see them if she doesn't want to. She can decide whether she stays with them or not.

She's old enough now to learn that if she is bothered or upset in any way by someone's behaviour towards her, then she can say no.

Nanny0gg · 03/04/2024 16:30

RainingUK · 03/04/2024 14:49

Correction; she knows what paedophiles are but this was in the context of celebrities eating children or something.

Oh gawd

They've gone down the QAnon rabbit hole!

I don't know how to word this, really. But can you tell your DD that everyone has value, whatever 'condition' they might have? And that what you know of her, DD will clearly make a loving mother to any children she might have?

Even twats like your Ex and his girlfriend have something. At least up till now she's been kind

Mabelface · 03/04/2024 16:35

Hmmm, think I'd be saying, in no uncertain terms, to ex and the gf that either this shit stops now or contact does - their choice.

Your daughter sounds lovely 😊

Autistic ADHD mum of 4 autistic ADHD kids. 😉

blacksax · 03/04/2024 16:38

Nanny0gg · 03/04/2024 16:30

Oh gawd

They've gone down the QAnon rabbit hole!

I don't know how to word this, really. But can you tell your DD that everyone has value, whatever 'condition' they might have? And that what you know of her, DD will clearly make a loving mother to any children she might have?

Even twats like your Ex and his girlfriend have something. At least up till now she's been kind

I'd be more inclined to explain to the dd that some people are misguided and have very strange beliefs about certain topics. Although they are entitled to hold those beliefs, sometimes they are just plain wrong, and it is okay to ignore what they say.

Nanny0gg · 03/04/2024 16:54

blacksax · 03/04/2024 16:38

I'd be more inclined to explain to the dd that some people are misguided and have very strange beliefs about certain topics. Although they are entitled to hold those beliefs, sometimes they are just plain wrong, and it is okay to ignore what they say.

Oh that too

mathanxiety · 03/04/2024 17:24

You have a case for alienation of affection here.

The woman has explicitly told DD that you have harmed her, and implicitly told her that your judgement wrt daily items is lacking.

Is the contact court ordered? If not, stop it effective immediately.

If it is, document the garbage this woman has fed DD, and petition the court for contact centre access only, without the GF present.

Sadly, you can't do anything about exH's racist views. Horrible though they are, he's entitled to his ill-informed opinions. But the references to autism constitute alienation.

MorningSunshineSparkles · 03/04/2024 17:28

Keep your child far far far away from him, his views are outright dangerous and so are his batshit GFs.

BronwenTheBrave · 03/04/2024 18:05

You and your daughter sound lovely.
Your ex is entitled to his own opinions, but not entitled to inculcate your DD with his extreme views.
I would avoid contact with your ex as much as possible and keep talking to your DD in the way that you are. Good luck.