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To report this? What would happen?

163 replies

inbedalready · 01/04/2024 21:19

I work with children in a school, and within earshot of pupils, a colleague called her husband a f*** c...

I was shocked, horrified, don't know what to do. She shouted it 3 times. I don't think kids heard. What will happen to her if I report it?

OP posts:
FrancisSeaton · 02/04/2024 08:51

Globules · 02/04/2024 07:43

Yes, report. It's not ok behaviour in a school context.

In KCSiE terms, you have a low level concern. It's your duty to report it.

Someone has all the gear and no idea
wtf has this got to do with safeguarding?

PeaceandCakes · 02/04/2024 08:52

In the UK, schools are on holiday right now.

Where do you live?

PeaceandCakes · 02/04/2024 08:56

Oh, so you say it happened days ago and you bring it up now. 🤔

You have a wife and husband team working in the same school?

Are you a teacher, TA, admin? Dinner lady?

I don't think this is a reporting matter.

It's not good behaviour, but on the other hand the children were not in the room and were in another room.

And if you DID report, what proof do you have?

Your word against theirs and you could come off worse.

let it go.

user1492757084 · 02/04/2024 08:57

101Nutella · 02/04/2024 04:21

YABU
it did not affect their ability to do their job. No children heard
it was after teaching hours.
you have absolutely no context as to why she was saying this eg finding out horrific news.
this isn’t constructive, it’s going to damage her job and life. Jeez if I made a mistake I’d hope a colleague would check on me/ support me.

a human response would have been to knock on and ‘say everything ok? Heard a bit of noise out here and don’t want the kids to be worried.’ Or ‘sorry to interrupt- are you ok? You probably don’t realise but we can hear you outside and don’t want the kids to hear this’.

This. Don't snitch; it will not goanywhere.
Let the woman know that you heard her; it was sheer luck that the kids were being extra noisy next door.

Alicewinn · 02/04/2024 08:57

I wouldn’t report them, they sound stressed enough already, but then again, I don’t work in a school. Trust your instinct.

Otherstories2002 · 02/04/2024 09:13

Nothing will happen if it’s out of character beyond someone (not you clearly!) being concerned about her.

Chucklecheeks01 · 02/04/2024 09:32

Use your words and speak to her directly. Ask if she is ok, as you happened to overhear what was being said. I cant believe that after one incident that they obviously thought no one could hear, you think the only option is to report them.

Bournetilly · 02/04/2024 09:34

No don’t report her, keep out of it. It was outside school hours and no children were in her classroom.

Icehockeyflowers · 02/04/2024 09:36

Use your words

Patronising much???

Dentistlakes · 02/04/2024 09:37

I wouldn’t report if you think the children didn’t hear. She probably wasn’t aware she could be heard. I might just mention you were able to hear their conversation so she’s aware and it doesn’t happen again.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 02/04/2024 09:39

JMSA · 01/04/2024 21:23

Is it out of character for her to behave like this?

Does not matter as she was vile, and disgusting in "earshot" of other people's children who do not expect seriously disgusting language like that spouted around them

OP, report her!

cemetery · 02/04/2024 09:42

'My colleague is human and has a useless husband, should I add to her frustrations by taking petty revenge against her and endangering her employment?' would have been a more honest title for this.

Bluepetergarden · 02/04/2024 09:43

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 02/04/2024 09:39

Does not matter as she was vile, and disgusting in "earshot" of other people's children who do not expect seriously disgusting language like that spouted around them

OP, report her!

Do you need some pearls to clutch ?

FrancisSeaton · 02/04/2024 09:44

cemetery · 02/04/2024 09:42

'My colleague is human and has a useless husband, should I add to her frustrations by taking petty revenge against her and endangering her employment?' would have been a more honest title for this.

How do we know her husband is useless? People really should stop projecting on these threads

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 02/04/2024 09:45

inbedalready · 01/04/2024 22:12

Thanks for the advice. It's highly unprofessional with kids around. And does sound like she has a lot going on to have this outburst.

What you need to consider is about the "lot going on" - what will happen next time. Things don't often get sorted out overnight.

Do report her and leave it to those in charge to decide as it could be worse next time and what then? Therefore, report and leave it in the hands of those that make decisions

IMO, they will warn her and that warning will put her on alert not to use disgusting language like that again near other peoples kids.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 02/04/2024 09:47

FrancisSeaton · 02/04/2024 09:44

How do we know her husband is useless? People really should stop projecting on these threads

I thought that and projection is used very often on some threads here.

Andthereyougo · 02/04/2024 09:47

Speak to her.
Ask her if she’s ok and say you heard the language, you don’t think any kids heard but can’t be sure.
It’s up to her then if she chooses to repeat the behaviour.

And if they’re secondary school kids I think they’d soon let it be known if they’d heard.

stayathomer · 02/04/2024 09:47

I wouldn’t report but I can’t believe the amount of people who think it’s okay to curse in a school. School is literally the only place some kids get a break from cursing and the only place they’re shown it’s the norm not to curse. Whatever we joke about cursing there is way to much of it everywhere now and when you think of it most cursing is because someone is angry or being aggressive. Why do kids need to hear that?

AliceOlive · 02/04/2024 09:52

stayathomer · 02/04/2024 09:47

I wouldn’t report but I can’t believe the amount of people who think it’s okay to curse in a school. School is literally the only place some kids get a break from cursing and the only place they’re shown it’s the norm not to curse. Whatever we joke about cursing there is way to much of it everywhere now and when you think of it most cursing is because someone is angry or being aggressive. Why do kids need to hear that?

Agreed. But the anger worries me so much more than the cursing.

If the husband was the one yelling and cursing at his wife, no one would be saying “he is stressed and has a useless wife.”

I am not in favor of reporting but asking the wife if everything is ok is a good start.

Bluepetergarden · 02/04/2024 09:52

stayathomer · 02/04/2024 09:47

I wouldn’t report but I can’t believe the amount of people who think it’s okay to curse in a school. School is literally the only place some kids get a break from cursing and the only place they’re shown it’s the norm not to curse. Whatever we joke about cursing there is way to much of it everywhere now and when you think of it most cursing is because someone is angry or being aggressive. Why do kids need to hear that?

Have you heard how teens speak ?

AliceOlive · 02/04/2024 09:53

How kids speak to each other can’t be a good standard for what they should be hearing from the adult leaders around them.

Bluepetergarden · 02/04/2024 09:55

Op did you ask your colleague if they were ok ?

saraclara · 02/04/2024 09:59

LuluBlakey1 · 01/04/2024 21:48

It is very unprofessional behaviour. A member of staff in a school should not be arguing with another colleague and shouting 'You're a fucking cunt' at them, 3 x, wherever they are at work. The fact that he is her DH and they were in a classroom alone does not make it acceptable.
I know what I would have done as Deputy Head, I know what I would do now as a School Improvement Advisor if I heard it in a school. It needs addressing by a line manager- it's unprofessional and shouldn't happen. It suggests her boundaries are muddied between school/home, or that she has poor self-control.

That. I'm amazed that people are criticising the OP for being concerned about this.

I was a senior teacher for many years, and swearing at a spouse, using those words, while children are on the building would definitely be firmly addressed. Apart from anything else, marital rows should be kept entirely out of any workplace, never mind a school with children present. Colleagues don't need to hear this either.

Globules · 02/04/2024 10:06

FrancisSeaton · 02/04/2024 08:51

Someone has all the gear and no idea
wtf has this got to do with safeguarding?

Quite a lot. It shows a blurring of appropriate boundaries, an inability to remain professional and poor judgement on the location of the argument.

If the OP could hear the raised voices through the wall, there was every chance the children could have done in the classroom on the other side of the room.

learning.nspcc.org.uk/news/2021/october/responding-low-level-concerns-in-education

saraclara · 02/04/2024 10:28

Somehow I think that those who are telling OP not to 'snitch' would take a different view if their child came home and said that their teacher/TA/whatever called another adult a fucking cunt.

It was pure luck that the kids (probably) didn't hear.