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Am I About to loose my driving licence for speeding offences

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cockeyedoptimist · 01/04/2024 21:17

Please help as I’m in a panic and can’t speak to anyone official until tomorrow .
I’ve just had a letter informing me of my fourth speeding offence . They are all for doing 22-24 mph in a 20 zone near my house
im so upset and feel so stupid . I drove up and down this road 6 days a week ( so 12 trips )
About a year ago I got 3 speeding tickets in 3 weeks when they installed a camera . I’ve been so careful since then , creeping up the road every day while staring at my Speedo to ensure I stay within the limit . But today I have a letter to say I was doing 23 a week ago
please be gentle as I know I’ve been reckless
and I know how safe 20 mph zones are .

Is there any chance I won’t loose my licence , or is it automatic . A quick google doesn’t look good . I’m so so upset with myself

OP posts:
Viviennemary · 01/04/2024 23:22

Surely you must know how many points you have. If not this shows a very casual attitude towards your speed offences.

Fabricwitch · 01/04/2024 23:36

ButtockUp · 01/04/2024 22:38

"Christ. Kick someone whilst they’re down why don’t you…"

She's down because she's been caught speeding three times.

Four times*

kittensinthekitchen · 01/04/2024 23:39

PansyOatZebra · 01/04/2024 23:14

This.

So offence 1 speed awareness
Offence 2 - 3 points
Offence 3 - 3 points
So offence 4 another 3 points? Taking you up to 9?

Not all first offenders are offered a speed awareness course Confused

StormingNorman · 01/04/2024 23:42

Viviennemary · 01/04/2024 23:22

Surely you must know how many points you have. If not this shows a very casual attitude towards your speed offences.

It was 22 in a 20 zone. OP wasn’t exactly going hell for leather to need such sanctimony.

whynotwhatknot · 02/04/2024 00:04

3 in one year they wont let you do another course

you probably have 6 points atm as if you do a course it wont be points aswell

BadLad · 02/04/2024 00:43

Berlinlover · 01/04/2024 22:18

A poster called me an arsehole yet my post is the one that gets deleted. Unbelievable.

Here you go

Am I About to loose my driving licence for speeding offences
Agapornis · 02/04/2024 01:52

Can't you drive more slowly? 20 is a limit, not a target.

Rainbowshine · 02/04/2024 02:47

If you don’t know how many points you have accumulated have you been informing your insurance company about them properly?

You really need to find a way to not exceed the 20 limit, there are lots around where I am and I use a lower gear to help keep to the limit. You can’t rely on your sat nav as there are several around here where the sat nav says 60 but it’s a 40 or 30/20 and it wouldn’t be a defence against prosecution.

You need to have a handle on this really, because the way you are not aware of the points and that you’re speeding in the same spot in a short amount of time could come across as you being too lackadaisical about your driving and if there’s any discretionary decisions (e.g. you’re stopped by the police when they have witnessed you speeding or another driving issue) and then you are saying “oh I might have some points but I’m not sure, it’s just the 20 zone where I live I keep getting caught out by it” then I would imagine that would make them more inclined to treat it more seriously.

Frogpole · 02/04/2024 03:00

Agapornis · 02/04/2024 01:52

Can't you drive more slowly? 20 is a limit, not a target.

I'm sure saying that makes you feel Very Important & Superior®, but tell me... do you want to know how I know you're not grown up enough to drive a car yet? xcx

redalex261 · 02/04/2024 03:48

A three lane dual carriageway with a 20 mile an hour limit?

CaputDraconis · 02/04/2024 07:44

Hobbi · 01/04/2024 22:35

@CaputDraconis

"I did however think 20mph limits were unenforceable"

No, if anything it's a more severe offence to speed in a zone specifically designed for safety. Speed awareness courses are not typically offered for 20mph infractions.
The 10% thing is a myth, the police have tolerances which are usually set at 10%, but that's a different thing to 'allowing' you a level of speeding.
Speed kills, 20mph zones (they're not limits) are designed to keep people, especially children, safe.

I live on a 20mph road that has a dangerous bend, but when we have had community police evenings and said about the speeds at which people speed down the road we were told it is unenforceable. So that's why I believed that.

LakieLady · 02/04/2024 08:05

CaputDraconis · 02/04/2024 07:44

I live on a 20mph road that has a dangerous bend, but when we have had community police evenings and said about the speeds at which people speed down the road we were told it is unenforceable. So that's why I believed that.

I've been told that the 20mph limit across the whole of our town centre is unenforceable. It has 20mph signs as you enter the 20 zone, and a circle with "20" in it painted on the carriageway in places, but there are no other metal signs at the roadside. There should be repeated signs at intervals, apparently.

The colleague who told me was told this by her police sergeant husband who's in traffic, and I can't see any reason why either of them should lie about it. And I've never heard of anyone getting done for it, and traffic often goes way over 20mph.

LAB2024 · 02/04/2024 08:18

Hi OP.

I have some family experience of almost an identical situation and so even though it sounds like you will have reached just 9 points, it’s useful to know what you/any other readers could be dealing with if it were to reach 12.

Safety awareness courses can only be offered once every three years, but won’t always be offered.

The initial contact you receive is just to declare that it was you driving, once you confirm this, they will let you know whether it’s points or an option to do the course. This normally takes a few weeks once you’ve sent the first response.

If you reach, or exceed, 12 points you will not instantly lose your licence. You will need to wait to hear for a court date for this to be made official. When my family member reached 12 points, it took a whole year to hear about the court date, although this was admittedly in Nov 2021 so likely Covid backlogs were still very high.

Be vigilant when filling in any responses to paperwork/online forms. Mistakes can complicate the situation and cause you to be awarded a higher number of points/higher fine for the delayed correct response. Also be vigilant when watching out for contact about a court date. My family member had theirs sent to their parent’s previous address meaning the initial court date had been and passed before we realised that they had in fact been driving unlicensed for a number of weeks without any awareness.

You do not need to attend court to officially have your licence revoked, however if you wish to contest the driving ban, you will need to. The most common way to do this is by pleading ‘exceptional hardship’. This essentially means that a ban being enforced would cause totally unmanageable implications for someone in your life (most likely not yourself, but let’s say a dependent or an employer). You can plead exceptional hardship by yourself or enlist the support of a solicitor. Exceptional hardship cases are not easily won, from my understanding and my family member decided not to go ahead with this option for that reason, despite having already sunk a considerable amount of money into initial legal fees.

Once your ban is in place, you are off the road from that date, generally speaking for 6 months for offences such as yours, increasing to 1 year if it’s not your first ban. Once you approach the end of the 6 month ban you can apply for a new licence in order to begin driving as soon as your six months are done. Your points will have been cleared and you will have a clean licence again. You do not need to re-take your driving test. You will need to continue declaring the ban and conviction for a duration of 5 years to insurers.

I know every speeding ticket is intended to make our roads safer and so the process is a very good thing. But there’s a difference between 24 in a 20 zone and 100 in a 70 zone in that it simply is just easier to happen in seconds, even for the most careful drivers. I hope everything goes ok for you, but if not it will be ok and won’t be as awful as you’re probably imagining. The guilt will almost certainly be the worst part and you’ve already done enough of that so cut yourself some slack now and trust that you have/will firmly have learnt from this experience.

Bjorkdidit · 02/04/2024 08:23

Hopefully you'll be offered a speed awareness course. They should be offered as standard for minor to moderate speeding offences, eg up to 10 MPH above the limit.

That's assuming that they do actually want to improve road safety instead of just take money off people for nothing. 3 points and a fine for driving at 22 MPH on a 3 lane dual carriageway even if it is going past a primary school at 3 pm seems very harsh. There's a lot worse drivers out there that seem to face no penalties such as those who use their phones while driving, tailgate or speed excessively.

Hoplolly · 02/04/2024 08:26

Agapornis · 02/04/2024 01:52

Can't you drive more slowly? 20 is a limit, not a target.

20 is a sodding ballache to keep to. I've just had a weekend of it where every other road in Wales seems to have a 20mph speed limit.

Hoplolly · 02/04/2024 08:28

Can vary from area to area but this is what the Met police say

The Met threshold for enforcement of 20 mph roads and issuing a speeding ticket is 10% + 2 mph. Enforcement from 24 mph and Prosecution from 35 mph.

peakygold · 02/04/2024 08:39

My DP chose to pay the fine and take the points over doing the course; fines go to central government to actually maybe? do some good. The payment for the course goes directly to the people who run it, so just a money-making exercise.

Bjorkdidit · 02/04/2024 08:44

But he might actually learn some techniques to not exceed the speed limit and less risk to his driving licence/insurance cost, especially if he gets caught again as 6 points causes insurance to increase far more than 3 because so many people have 3 points now.

Ihateboris · 02/04/2024 08:59

Do you have a friend or family member with a clean licence who could say that they were the driver? ..ONLY JOKING . 🤣

OP, I think the back of your driver's licence should show any points?

TimeandMotion · 02/04/2024 09:03

peakygold · 02/04/2024 08:39

My DP chose to pay the fine and take the points over doing the course; fines go to central government to actually maybe? do some good. The payment for the course goes directly to the people who run it, so just a money-making exercise.

Your husband might want to read up on how the economy works.

TimeandMotion · 02/04/2024 09:04

Have you clicked on the gov.uk link yet OP?

Kalevala · 02/04/2024 09:17

Hoplolly · 02/04/2024 08:26

20 is a sodding ballache to keep to. I've just had a weekend of it where every other road in Wales seems to have a 20mph speed limit.

Yes, unless it's a road where conditions mean most people would do under 20 even if it was 30. If it's a straight road with good visibility you do end up watching the speedo more than the road. Gears don't help as second gear easily goes faster.

Kalevala · 02/04/2024 09:25

Bjorkdidit · 02/04/2024 08:23

Hopefully you'll be offered a speed awareness course. They should be offered as standard for minor to moderate speeding offences, eg up to 10 MPH above the limit.

That's assuming that they do actually want to improve road safety instead of just take money off people for nothing. 3 points and a fine for driving at 22 MPH on a 3 lane dual carriageway even if it is going past a primary school at 3 pm seems very harsh. There's a lot worse drivers out there that seem to face no penalties such as those who use their phones while driving, tailgate or speed excessively.

I wish drivers who tailgate were pulled over more often! We had one behind my learner driver yesterday when he was sitting at 57 on a straight country A road. There were multiple opportunities to pass before he eventually did, only to end up behind a long line of traffic ahead where a van was sitting on 50. The driver continued to tailgate the next car, often needing to brake so we kept a good distance.

YellowDots · 02/04/2024 09:25

No it doesn't. You have to look on .gov for you can't remember them yourself.