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Any other Christians annoyed at what society has turned Easter into?

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Opol · 31/03/2024 14:20

I’m resigned that the same has been done to Christmas. But for me that is “only” the birth of Christ.

As a Roman Catholic, Easter is of far more importance to me. For me, God’s love for humanity meant he sacrificed his only son. Jesus’ resurrection is literally the embodiment of the victory of light over darkness, good over evil etc.

I don’t wish to gate keep but seeing it reduced to Easter baskets and chocolate rabbits is unpleasant to witness. I’m more annoyed at society making everything hollow and superficial via consumerism and over consumption.

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AnotherBankHolidayMonday · 01/04/2024 11:13

PeterGabrielsunderpants · 01/04/2024 10:26

In my view, a baby has past karma. That's why it's born in the first place, to work its karma out. The doctrine of karma is taught in the Bible: ' Did this child sin or did his parents, that he was born blind?'

Fucking hell.

Who would want any part of a God that handed out such punishments for past sin.

It makes me feel sick. I’d no doubt get deleted if I told you my view, but if some some sick fucker said this to me about a disabled child IRL, they really would know about it.

1dayatatime · 01/04/2024 11:13

@Quatty

"Pile on? People stating historical facts? Rather than believing in an allegedly benevolent dictator in the sky who rules with fear I’d happily find spiritual solace in the nature and world around me."

Actually numerous people stating well known and established historical facts thinking they've uniquely discovered some kind of gotcha.

I've no problem with people finding spiritual solace in nature although what is a nice uplifting countryside walk and what is spiritual solace in nature becomes a grey area.

Equally I have no problem with those that seek a more structured spiritual experience in the form of an organised religion.

But it is the criticism and mocking of either that I have a problem with.

cakeorwine · 01/04/2024 11:17

"But it is the criticism and mocking of either that I have a problem with."

Can't the statement "This country was built on Christian values" be criticised and questioned?

Or is that blasphemous?
Heresy?

Can't the link between State and the C of E be criticised?

PlantingTreesAgain · 01/04/2024 11:17

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 01/04/2024 11:05

The news is not MN. Again what other religions chatted shit like what's in the OP?

Also it litterially fit she definition for a cult. Saying it's not a cult sounds a lot like what cult members say.

A cult is an organized group whose purpose is to dominate cult members through psychological manipulation and pressure strategies. 1 Cults are usually headed by a powerful leader who isolates members from the rest of society. Some individuals who join cults remain lifelong members.

Think you conveniently missed the bit whilst googling that says Christianity is not a cult and the reasons why.

It’s the bit about not having stuff written down and so on
A little bit further down

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 01/04/2024 11:19

AdrianaLola · 01/04/2024 10:15

I've had to take a break from FB over Easter. I'm getting a bit sick of the jokes and rude memes about Jesus. I am not saying that people dont have a right to make jokes but they never do it about other religions which actually share many similar tenants/religious texts. If you're going to take piss then take it out of all religions not just one.

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Surely it's natural that the religion people criticise and mock is the one that actually has an effect on their life? Why would you expect people to have the same strong negative feelings about a religion that has little power or influence over the culture and institutions of the country they live in?

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 01/04/2024 11:20

PlantingTreesAgain · 01/04/2024 11:17

Think you conveniently missed the bit whilst googling that says Christianity is not a cult and the reasons why.

It’s the bit about not having stuff written down and so on
A little bit further down

And again that's only Because Christinaoty slighted all and others who opposed them

It fits, as will all religions, the definition of a cult. Even the dictionary ones.

Cults are going to cult.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/04/2024 11:20

Who would want any part of a God that handed out such punishments for past sin.

I thought karma was seen as a sort of universal cause and effect, not an 'act of God' as such?
Whereas v 3 of John 9
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%209%3A2-41&version=NIV

... maybe there's some Christian apologist who can interpret as something other than 'god made this man blind from birth so I can come along and heal him'.?

DanielGault · 01/04/2024 11:21

cakeorwine · 01/04/2024 11:17

"But it is the criticism and mocking of either that I have a problem with."

Can't the statement "This country was built on Christian values" be criticised and questioned?

Or is that blasphemous?
Heresy?

Can't the link between State and the C of E be criticised?

The cheek of them thinking they're above criticism tbh. We're all subject to that. And add on to that what the institutions have done, it's beyond belief that someone would come out with this stuff. There seems to be no shame at all.

Geotheanum · 01/04/2024 11:22

AnotherBankHolidayMonday · 01/04/2024 11:13

Fucking hell.

Who would want any part of a God that handed out such punishments for past sin.

It makes me feel sick. I’d no doubt get deleted if I told you my view, but if some some sick fucker said this to me about a disabled child IRL, they really would know about it.

What punishments is God handing out for a predilection to sin.

Im not aware being disabled has anything to do with sin. Does it say that somewhere?

EasternEcho · 01/04/2024 11:31

@Otherstories2002 You're right. In fact the bible has specific requirements for selling your daughter into slavery. Exodus 21:7 - “When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.

These Christian values are rather interesting when you start really looking into it.

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 01/04/2024 11:31

thepastinsidethepresent · 01/04/2024 11:13

Errm, to inform? I'm not saying anyone has to believe the religious aspect, that's a matter of personal belief, but lack of curiosity about where the tradition even stems from puzzles me.

Do some people nowadays genuinely just think Easter is when people eat chocolate and think about rabbits??

Well I did you'll be happy to know.
I told my children about pagens and other old Gods then how Christianity killed and hurt anyone who followed their beliefs, how they forced them to believe in what they wanted.
That's my 10 year old.

You know the truth.

Yes, my younger children only know Eatser for Chocolate, Eggs, Easter bunny and fun.

Just like Christmas.

AngkorWat · 01/04/2024 11:31

DanielGault · 01/04/2024 11:21

The cheek of them thinking they're above criticism tbh. We're all subject to that. And add on to that what the institutions have done, it's beyond belief that someone would come out with this stuff. There seems to be no shame at all.

PP doesn’t say they are ‘above criticism’ although I can see how others might assume this but it’s stretching their words, I personally think.
PP actually stated ‘it is the criticism and mocking of some’ that she ‘has a problem with’.
This suggests more that PP is upset by it. Which really isn’t that surprising and a fairly obvious reaction.

everyone can, of course, read whatever they like into the words of others

DanielGault · 01/04/2024 11:35

AngkorWat · 01/04/2024 11:31

PP doesn’t say they are ‘above criticism’ although I can see how others might assume this but it’s stretching their words, I personally think.
PP actually stated ‘it is the criticism and mocking of some’ that she ‘has a problem with’.
This suggests more that PP is upset by it. Which really isn’t that surprising and a fairly obvious reaction.

everyone can, of course, read whatever they like into the words of others

Well, I will I suppose, for right or wrong. It certainly feels like it anyway.

ImInTheBathRightNow · 01/04/2024 11:37

1dayatatime · 01/04/2024 11:13

@Quatty

"Pile on? People stating historical facts? Rather than believing in an allegedly benevolent dictator in the sky who rules with fear I’d happily find spiritual solace in the nature and world around me."

Actually numerous people stating well known and established historical facts thinking they've uniquely discovered some kind of gotcha.

I've no problem with people finding spiritual solace in nature although what is a nice uplifting countryside walk and what is spiritual solace in nature becomes a grey area.

Equally I have no problem with those that seek a more structured spiritual experience in the form of an organised religion.

But it is the criticism and mocking of either that I have a problem with.

Cheers for calling my religion a ‘grey area’. Just because you don’t understand spiritual solace in nature doesn’t mean you can put it down. Educate yourself.

Justpontificating · 01/04/2024 11:37

EasternEcho · 01/04/2024 11:31

@Otherstories2002 You're right. In fact the bible has specific requirements for selling your daughter into slavery. Exodus 21:7 - “When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.

These Christian values are rather interesting when you start really looking into it.

Exodus is Old Testament
Jewish sacred text is basically the Old Testament with the books in a different order.
The book of Exodus is central to both Judaism and Christianity

Fedupmumofadultsons · 01/04/2024 11:38

Auburngal · 31/03/2024 14:43

How many kids now know about the Easter story and what the egg symbolises?

Doubt very few. As for kids now it’s chocolate eggs

We were taught as children rightly or wrongly that the chocolate egg represented the stone being rolled away from Jesus's tomb.also the same reasons we rolled colourful boiled eggs down the local hill.innocent times church in morning roll the egg on hill afterwards then feel sick eating chocolate. Our whole little scottish village did this ritual.innocent times not mad consumerism

cakeorwine · 01/04/2024 11:40

Justpontificating · 01/04/2024 11:37

Exodus is Old Testament
Jewish sacred text is basically the Old Testament with the books in a different order.
The book of Exodus is central to both Judaism and Christianity

I am not sure if that helps.

Do you support the values of the Old Testament?

Minymile · 01/04/2024 11:43

ImInTheBathRightNow · 01/04/2024 11:37

Cheers for calling my religion a ‘grey area’. Just because you don’t understand spiritual solace in nature doesn’t mean you can put it down. Educate yourself.

That’s not what @1dayatatime is saying at all.
Forgive me @1dayatatime if I’ve read this wrong but it seems quite plain that you are saying the two are much the same, in terms of outcome. ie.. There’s little difference.
That’s what ‘a grey area’ means.

upthehills1 · 01/04/2024 11:47

DanielGault · 01/04/2024 10:15

We had a nice roast, and the child had an egg hunt with small eggs. And she got a normal sized egg. Myself and H aren't bothered with eggs so nothing over and above with us, apart from the slightly fancier dinner. No extra consumption here at all really.

Exactly! All I see is people making the most of some precious time off work with their families.

Those who want to celebrate Easter as part of their beliefs are free to do so but don’t get annoyed because I had an extra potato with my lamb roast!

Justpontificating · 01/04/2024 11:49

cakeorwine · 01/04/2024 11:40

I am not sure if that helps.

Do you support the values of the Old Testament?

That’s completely irrelevant
PP was suggesting they were
‘starting to really look into Christianity’ and yet failed to pick up on the fundamental fact that Exodus is Old Testament, so not just Christianity in fact an essential part of Judaism set out in the Tanakh.

DanielGault · 01/04/2024 11:50

upthehills1 · 01/04/2024 11:47

Exactly! All I see is people making the most of some precious time off work with their families.

Those who want to celebrate Easter as part of their beliefs are free to do so but don’t get annoyed because I had an extra potato with my lamb roast!

Hope you had a lovely day! Isn't it great when we can all agree 😉

ImInTheBathRightNow · 01/04/2024 11:52

Minymile · 01/04/2024 11:43

That’s not what @1dayatatime is saying at all.
Forgive me @1dayatatime if I’ve read this wrong but it seems quite plain that you are saying the two are much the same, in terms of outcome. ie.. There’s little difference.
That’s what ‘a grey area’ means.

There is a huge difference between ‘a nice uplifting walk’ and finding spiritual solace in nature - just because she (and possibly you) don’t understand that doesn’t mean it should be belittled. The two are not ‘much in the same’. It’s insulting to suggest that one person having a nice uplifting walk is the same as someone else’s religious beliefs.

I wouldn’t compare any other religion to something in such a manner. Religion is personal, you don’t get to decide how others feel on spiritual matters.

upthehills1 · 01/04/2024 11:52

DanielGault · 01/04/2024 11:50

Hope you had a lovely day! Isn't it great when we can all agree 😉

Oh yes and my dog had a nice scrambled egg with his breakfast. Hope that’s not too indulgent 🤣

Solocup · 01/04/2024 11:52

Ooh another righteous Christian, how unusual 🙄 why on earth you feel some claim over Easter is beyond me. Religion is a made up story which you, but not everyone, chooses to believe. Easter is really just another thing hijacked by Christians anyway. Imagine how pagans feel? Why should others not enjoy their version of a cultural celebration? Thou shalt not judge and all that.

DanielGault · 01/04/2024 11:54

upthehills1 · 01/04/2024 11:52

Oh yes and my dog had a nice scrambled egg with his breakfast. Hope that’s not too indulgent 🤣

Honestly, I had no idea a dog would eat scrambled egg! I've never been a dog owner though. Will interrogate H...

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