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Any other Christians annoyed at what society has turned Easter into?

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Opol · 31/03/2024 14:20

I’m resigned that the same has been done to Christmas. But for me that is “only” the birth of Christ.

As a Roman Catholic, Easter is of far more importance to me. For me, God’s love for humanity meant he sacrificed his only son. Jesus’ resurrection is literally the embodiment of the victory of light over darkness, good over evil etc.

I don’t wish to gate keep but seeing it reduced to Easter baskets and chocolate rabbits is unpleasant to witness. I’m more annoyed at society making everything hollow and superficial via consumerism and over consumption.

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AdrianaLola · 01/04/2024 10:15

I've had to take a break from FB over Easter. I'm getting a bit sick of the jokes and rude memes about Jesus. I am not saying that people dont have a right to make jokes but they never do it about other religions which actually share many similar tenants/religious texts. If you're going to take piss then take it out of all religions not just one.

Barquentine · 01/04/2024 10:16

Prunesqualler · 01/04/2024 09:14

Now I could definitely fall in love with your doorpost.
What is it early 1400s I think.

No judging from me @Barquentine , live and let live.

Yes 1430, you’re rather good at architectural history
Thankyou!

OceanicBoundlessness · 01/04/2024 10:17

Op. I hope you manage to avoid the commercialism. It wasn't hard. I just went out with my little tent and spent a few days away from social media, in woodland.
Maybe you could take yourself on a similar retreat next year.
The commercialism is still there but you can totally blot it out.

whywonttheyeattheirfood · 01/04/2024 10:17

Christ was crucified at Passover, so the Christians never adopted a pagan festival to celebrate Easter.

The original Church has never taught that people are born with original sin, that's a Roman Catholic invention. The Orthodox Church (the first church) doesn't subscribe to this false belief, merely that people are born with the propensity to sin.

CountAlmaviva · 01/04/2024 10:18

AdrianaLola · 01/04/2024 10:15

I've had to take a break from FB over Easter. I'm getting a bit sick of the jokes and rude memes about Jesus. I am not saying that people dont have a right to make jokes but they never do it about other religions which actually share many similar tenants/religious texts. If you're going to take piss then take it out of all religions not just one.

Edited

well said and quite true of course.

whywonttheyeattheirfood · 01/04/2024 10:20

Also, Orthodox Christians began exchanging eggs at Easter, sometimes painted, sometimes not, and this somehow became chocolate eggs as gifts. Probably due to consumerism.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/04/2024 10:25

AdrianaLola · 01/04/2024 10:15

I've had to take a break from FB over Easter. I'm getting a bit sick of the jokes and rude memes about Jesus. I am not saying that people dont have a right to make jokes but they never do it about other religions which actually share many similar tenants/religious texts. If you're going to take piss then take it out of all religions not just one.

Edited

Better off without that sort of thing. Familiarity breeding contempt perhaps?
Though I do like catching up with Jesus&Mo from time to time.

PeterGabrielsunderpants · 01/04/2024 10:26

AnotherBankHolidayMonday · 01/04/2024 10:00

It’s horrendous, isn’t it. A beautiful newborn baby does not have sin. I don’t think it’s borderline, I think it’s straightforward abuse.

In my view, a baby has past karma. That's why it's born in the first place, to work its karma out. The doctrine of karma is taught in the Bible: ' Did this child sin or did his parents, that he was born blind?'

Otherstories2002 · 01/04/2024 10:31

EasternEcho · 01/04/2024 05:22

@cakeorwine I'm not from the UK, but I am a baptized Christian. I am in agreement with your questions about what being founded on Christian values actually is. The CoA was basically created to allow one tyrant king to marry his mistress? This is the basis of Christian values? The slave trade was capitalism. Again, Christian values? I still don't get what founded on Christian values is when it has historically been malleable to suit the ruling classes, and why it's anything to be so proud of? Do unto others and all that, does that include colonization, but complain about migrants?

As for Easter, no one is forcing anyone to buy chocolate bunnies. Eat them if you like them. Go to church if you do so. To each his or her own. Looking over there to see what "others" do and get mad about it is whipped up all organized religions in my opinions.

Slavery is quite literally covered in the bible. Let’s be honest about what Christian values are. You cannot pick and choose.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/04/2024 10:36

In my view, a baby has past karma. That's why it's born in the first place, to work its karma out. The doctrine of karma is taught in the Bible: ' Did this child sin or did his parents, that he was born blind?'

Wel that's an odd selective quotation. Next verse
Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%209%3A2-41&version=NIV

Confused (yeah, karma wouldn't be quite as bad as that)

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 01/04/2024 10:37

1dayatatime · 01/04/2024 09:44

@Wibblywobblylikejelly

MintCocoa
Communism = over 100 millions people killed
Nazism = over 17 millions

I was born and raised in a communist country where being a Christian was an act of mutiny.

Every totalitarianism eradicates religion. The only allegiance allowed is that to the state.

"And Christinaity has, I would say, easily hit that number.

Witch trials.
The crusades
Catholic/ protestant drama
The baby's still being dug up.
The natives begging to find their missing loved ones.
The violent sexual abuse."

Not a chance that Christianity has hit that number. For a start the entire entire world population up to the 1600s was only 500 million and many of those lived outside Europe and were non Christian. Secondly what exactly were deaths caused by Christianity- most wars at the time as they are today were politically driven but every King wanted "God on his side" so for PR reason labelled them as Christian. Thirdly the deaths caused by Communism from Mao's great leap forward to Stalinist purges way way outstripped anything caused by Christianity.

The popular quote that religion causes more deaths than anything else is pure bollocks and quoted by those with no knowledge of history.

We won't ever really know though. There are rough estimates that like I said easily get up to the millions.
But unfortunately as Christianity has never been held accountable or had answers demanded in the same way tge Nazis or other reigimes have we will never know.

The fact they are still hiding bodies, still hiding answers to cover their own arses is sickening and I absolutly do wonder how people so Proudly shout about being a member of such a sick and blood tipsy cult.

Hopefully one day we will see change.

And to the other poster. Nobody is here is more against Christianity than other religions. They're not a victim here.

Go through MN. Did any other religion spout BS like the OP and many many others during their holidays? Or did they shut up and get on with it in privacy?

Christianity so far is the only religion that seems to not be able to resit the urge to continue to force it down people throats.....never learns.

benefitstaxcredithelp · 01/04/2024 10:39

DeanElderberry · 31/03/2024 19:52

And then there's the archaeological record. No evidence of medieval pagans. Loads of evidence for medieval Christianity.

Well, places like Stonehenge, Avebury, Castle Rigg, Glastonbury Tor and many many more sites still survive today as evidence.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/04/2024 10:49

No evidence of medieval pagans.

Despite Christians being very good at persecuting and eliminating paganism once it became the official Roman religion, there's still Green Men and sheela na gigs in churches.

'Paganism' (or at any rates, Norse religions) survived longer in parts of Scotland and Scandinavia for longer than elsewhere.

ImInTheBathRightNow · 01/04/2024 10:52

benefitstaxcredithelp · 01/04/2024 10:39

Well, places like Stonehenge, Avebury, Castle Rigg, Glastonbury Tor and many many more sites still survive today as evidence.

They’re not medieval, they’re often Neolithic, Iron Age. But I get your point. That poster ignores history unfortunately. And the idea that there have been no other religions being practiced, in private, throughout the centuries is ridiculous. Christianity made sure no one could practice anything else public, through fear. But when you look at life under Christian rule prior to the Witchcraft Trial, many people, especially women, still looked to their old ways. They still went back to the knowledge that had been passed down for centuries, the knowledge of the Earth. They still used old ideas and practices to protect themselves and heal themselves. That’s why the witch trial were successful, they could manipulate that fear and cast aspersion on any woman who still practices the old ways, even though societies had relied on these women so much prior to this (of course it now seems the witch craft trials began as a man wanted his maid to have sex with him and she wouldn’t but that’s another thread).

For that poster to suggest there were no Pagan’s through Medieval times shows utter ignorance and a lack of understanding of history. But then, they’ve displayed that time and time again.

PlantingTreesAgain · 01/04/2024 11:00

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 01/04/2024 10:37

We won't ever really know though. There are rough estimates that like I said easily get up to the millions.
But unfortunately as Christianity has never been held accountable or had answers demanded in the same way tge Nazis or other reigimes have we will never know.

The fact they are still hiding bodies, still hiding answers to cover their own arses is sickening and I absolutly do wonder how people so Proudly shout about being a member of such a sick and blood tipsy cult.

Hopefully one day we will see change.

And to the other poster. Nobody is here is more against Christianity than other religions. They're not a victim here.

Go through MN. Did any other religion spout BS like the OP and many many others during their holidays? Or did they shut up and get on with it in privacy?

Christianity so far is the only religion that seems to not be able to resit the urge to continue to force it down people throats.....never learns.

Christianity is not a cult….fact!

Do you really believe ‘Christianity is the only religion that seems to not be able to resist the urge to continue to force it down peoples throats’…..suggest you watch the news a bit more on that one!

Quatty · 01/04/2024 11:01

‘pile-on of near-identical responses along the lines of "but did you know that there used to be a Pagan celebration of spring in this country’

Pile on? People stating historical facts? Rather than believing in an allegedly benevolent dictator in the sky who rules with fear I’d happily find spiritual solace in the nature and world around me.

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 01/04/2024 11:05

PlantingTreesAgain · 01/04/2024 11:00

Christianity is not a cult….fact!

Do you really believe ‘Christianity is the only religion that seems to not be able to resist the urge to continue to force it down peoples throats’…..suggest you watch the news a bit more on that one!

The news is not MN. Again what other religions chatted shit like what's in the OP?

Also it litterially fit she definition for a cult. Saying it's not a cult sounds a lot like what cult members say.

A cult is an organized group whose purpose is to dominate cult members through psychological manipulation and pressure strategies. 1 Cults are usually headed by a powerful leader who isolates members from the rest of society. Some individuals who join cults remain lifelong members.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/04/2024 11:07

Christianity is not a cult….fact!

Depends what you mean by a 'cult' of course.

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult

They say history is written by the victors; so is the distinction between orthodoxy and heterodoxy and which 'cults' become dominant religions, I suppose.

thepastinsidethepresent · 01/04/2024 11:08

BlueEyesBrownHair · 01/04/2024 00:51

Ill be honest, i have no idea what the story is about easter/god. Not interested in that. To me, its purely the chocolate/easter bunny!!!

Weren't you taught the Easter story in school? By your parents? By anyone??

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 01/04/2024 11:09

thepastinsidethepresent · 01/04/2024 11:08

Weren't you taught the Easter story in school? By your parents? By anyone??

Why would our parents teach us about a Chritian story?

SerafinasGoose · 01/04/2024 11:10

DeanElderberry · 31/03/2024 19:26

Yes, that's it. Not off Google, off any historian that treats the subject. No ranting, no telling anyone what religious or cultural observance they should follow. Just pointing out that there is a very long historic record for Christianity and for Judaism, and there is practically no historic record for Eostre.

Unless you count the old Greek, Roman, Celtic, Norse and other mythology, there is practically no 'historic record' whatsoever for the actual practice of any of the old faiths; not in Britain at least.

The word 'heathen' gives one hint as to the many obvious reasons why. The other patently transparent one I'll leave to your imagination. It isn't hard to figure out.

DanielGault · 01/04/2024 11:11

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 01/04/2024 11:09

Why would our parents teach us about a Chritian story?

Why not? It's up to anyone what they teach their kids about, but it's not that 'far out' to learn about other cultures/religions.

cakeorwine · 01/04/2024 11:12

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 01/04/2024 11:09

Why would our parents teach us about a Chritian story?

TBF - Easter is a UK Bank Holiday - and you can't avoid Easter. DS knows about what Christians believe happened in Easter Week - and we have visited churches when abroad - you can't really avoid the imagery.

It is useful to know what religions believe - even if you don't believe it yourself.

It helps when people say this is a Christian country based on Christian values

thepastinsidethepresent · 01/04/2024 11:13

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 01/04/2024 11:09

Why would our parents teach us about a Chritian story?

Errm, to inform? I'm not saying anyone has to believe the religious aspect, that's a matter of personal belief, but lack of curiosity about where the tradition even stems from puzzles me.

Do some people nowadays genuinely just think Easter is when people eat chocolate and think about rabbits??

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 01/04/2024 11:13

DanielGault · 01/04/2024 11:11

Why not? It's up to anyone what they teach their kids about, but it's not that 'far out' to learn about other cultures/religions.

It's not necessary in any way to know some ridiculous story that has no barring on anything in the real world.
We have Easter, we have spring and chocolate and egg hunts. It's magical enough.