Which driver(s) were unreasonable (with diagram!)

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Trivial incident but I know mumsnet loves an AIBU with cars and diagrams so I consider this a public service.

Busy junction with nose to tail traffic on the main road. Car A (me) is signalling to turn right into side road. Car C is on the side road signalling to turn right into the main road. Car B is proceeding straight on on the main road in the opposite direction to Car A.

Car C moves forward as far as it can in the traffic, blocking Car A’s route into the side road. As the car in front of Car C moves forward creating some space, Car B then moves forward across Car C’s lane, but can’t complete the turn because Car A (me) is still waiting to turn right.

There is now a three-way blockage with no car able to move.

There are cars behind all three cars so no-one can reverse.

Car A (me) manages to get us out of the impasse by mounting the pavement behind Car C in order to complete the right turn.

Which cars were the most U?

Car c shouldn’t have left the side road unless it was clear

Bit confused, is there a car D missing from the diagram? You mention a car in front of C

Car b has first right of way
Then car a
Then car c

Dammit, I meant in front of Car B.

Car C shouldn't have pulled out.
Car B had priority as continuing straight on

B is in the wrong. They would have right of way if the traffic was moving, but if stationary they should not come to a stop blocking a side road. I failed my first test for accidentally doing that.

Well there’s probably a difference between the official rules and what should happen due to common sense and etiquette. Car C is supposed to wait for a gap but that is never going to happen so they have to nudge out. Car B should just have a bit of decency, let Car C out, let Car B then turn in. And everyone can carry on

Ah OK so B should not of blocked the junction and C should of waited till clear in front of them and you had turned.

I'm confused - you say car B can't complete their turn but the diagram looks like they're going straight on, not turning?

I can't quite follow the details but suspect car C probably shouldn't have pulled out at all unless they were certain they could complete the manoeuvre.

If Car C had already pulled out into the traffic, car b should have waited before the side road to let Car A turn right and Car C complete the maneuvere to free up the main road.

Your diagram is clear but your explanation is confusing.

I agree with PP car B had right of way. Car C should not have blocked car B.

If there was a car in front of car B which was turning left then they also had right of way over car C.

Car C seems to be in the wrong.

I think you've muddled up the letters. If car b was in traffic, it shouldn't have blocked the side road. So car b then A. If it was free flowing b direction and crawling in c, then b is a little more justified but still should have been aware of a pulling out and slowed/ stopped before the side road.

Car C shouldn't have pulled out but car B shouldn't have blocked the junction either.

Ideally, I think B would have paused to let both you and C complete your manoeuvres.

Both B and C are a pair of impatient twats.

Oh crumbs I have completely confused this paragraph and I can’t edit the OP. It should read:

Car B moves forward as far as it can in the traffic, blocking Car A’s route into the side road. As the car in front of Car B moves forward creating some space, Car C then moves forward across Car B’s lane, but can’t complete the turn because Car A (me) is still waiting to turn right.

Yes yes I have confused the letters. Trying to be public spirited offering up a car related AIBU and I bungled it. At least the diagram makes sense!

Did car C pull put after you had positioned yourself to turn right but before B had pulled forward? I suspect car C was just trying to force their way out and car B was a bit a of a jobsworth about it. If you had seen car B waiting as you approached you could've stopped leaving enough room for car C to pull put in front of you and someone in car B's Lane would've been nice enough to stop and let car C out and probably you in. In busy traffic people are usually reliant on a bit of courtesy rather than who has the right of way officially.

This does change things a bit. B still shouldn’t have blocked the turn, but given that A and B were already there C clearly shouldn’t have pulled out!

There was bound to be 1 🤣

The OP’s place is in the wrong after all.

If she’d done that she’d have probably had impatient twats behind her on her side of the road gesticulating and lent on the horn.

In Highway Code terms - B would carry on, you’d then be able to complete your turn, C would have to sit and wait whilst not blocking the junction.

In reality - if it’s a hugely busy junction that C or any other people from the side road will struggle to turn out of without someone letting them out, then B should not have been such a twat as to cause an obstruction. Possibly you could even have stopped to let C out before you waited in the road to turn right. That would especially be the case if C was already in the road when you pulled up to turn right as it would be an indication to me that they’re struggling to get out of the junction.

But from what I’ve seen on the road, general courtesy and common sense is lacking, as is adherence to the Highway Code, so people just do what they want 😂

@Teateaandmoretea I absolutely didn't say the op was wrong at all. Car C was wrong but I was explaining why I thought car C did that. Car C could've sat there all day waiting. I also explained what I would've done had I seen Car C sat there....just another perspective.

C created the issue.
The right of way was B, A, C, but they decided they were more important than everyone else.
Edit - if car B shouldn't have blocked the junction, but C still shouldn't have forced it's way out.

I understand why car C behaviour happens but they were definitely still in the wrong.

Gotcha! B could have been MUCH more courteous, but C was totally daft to pull out after B had already moved forward, with C ultimately causing the gridlock.

Car C is mainly in the wrong. I’m guessing they are used to needing to edge out but shouldn’t have done so with car A there. But car B should have seen the situation and hung back to allow car A to turn in, freeing the situation. So I’d say both other cars could have avoided the situation.