Which driver(s) were unreasonable (with diagram!)

[CroccyWoccy]

Trivial incident but I know mumsnet loves an AIBU with cars and diagrams so I consider this a public service.

Busy junction with nose to tail traffic on the main road. Car A (me) is signalling to turn right into side road. Car C is on the side road signalling to turn right into the main road. Car B is proceeding straight on on the main road in the opposite direction to Car A.

Car C moves forward as far as it can in the traffic, blocking Car A’s route into the side road. As the car in front of Car C moves forward creating some space, Car B then moves forward across Car C’s lane, but can’t complete the turn because Car A (me) is still waiting to turn right.

There is now a three-way blockage with no car able to move.

There are cars behind all three cars so no-one can reverse.

Car A (me) manages to get us out of the impasse by mounting the pavement behind Car C in order to complete the right turn.

Which cars were the most U?

Thanks for your public service @CroccyWoccy I’m sorry you got the labelling wrong on first post. Gutting after the effort you put into your diagram 😁

Reading your post, I have a lot of sympathy for C’s actions. I have only ever driven in London and nudging is just part of getting around in the situation you describe.

Context is important though. There are loads of spots where I’m in C’s position and I know waiting for someone to let you out would be madness. It just wouldn’t happen - everyone in front of you nudged their way out and everyone behind you is expecting you to do so too.

However, there are other right turns where it can appear like you’ll never get out, but from experience you know that traffic lights etc further up the road periodically clears the road and you just need to sit tight for five minutes.

Likewise, it may be that in the junction you describe, drivers in B’s position routinely allow both C and A to turn. So there’s no need for C to push as everyone is just a bit more civilised and no nudging needed.

So content but also local experience is important here.

Car C is in the wrong but car A could have helped by letting car C out.

If you live in my area and fully obeyed the rules car C would never move the side road would become so clogged that nobody attempting to enter it could because the cars parked in it would prevent two way traffic and nobody gets anywhere. Car B should have given way letting C out and then you in.

Do you drive in London?

Was the OP in London?

What's that got to do with any thing, they drive like arseholes in London, that does not set president to drive like that else where. 🙄

Am I the only one with a brain that simply cannot process this kind of thing?

This, but realistically car B probably had to be a bit cheeky or he would have been there all day.

C is wrong! B should continue alone the way, can A souls be next and car c waits til all is clear

If you live (like me) with London traffic then sometimes this shit happens because no bastard lets you out.

Sounds like you fixed a shitty situation which makes you the 'winner' in my eyes 😂

In general if I'm on a main road in traffic with a side road to my left I will always leave a gap so that people can pull into the side road but also will move forward as soon as I have a chance to and block in anyone joining.

In a perfect world I will let one person join the main road from the side road before I pull forward and block the side road.

Sometimes if you get a special kind of dickhead who sticks to the arse of the car in-front who you let pull out and so you're left blocking the road because you'd accounted for one car pulling out and you fitting.

In that case you then can often get a dickhead behind you who drives nose to bumper and then it's a gridlock situation like you had.

B shouldn’t have blocked the junction. If A was already signalling right, then that makes it worse, but regardless, their decision set off the chain of events.

But with A and B already in their diagram spots, with A signalling right, and C the last one to act, it was totally C’s fault and they are the cause of final situation.

Technically C shouldn't have started but B compounded the problem and if it's a junction where people regularly push out then they were probably being deliberately difficult and it backfired

I generally do leave a junction clear, but if there was a rule to do this then surely many keep clear and yellow boxes are redundant? I’ve always thought it was a courtesy unless the road marking specifically said to keep clear.

B has right of way.
Then A.
C is cf

🤣 I can only process it due to the wonderful diagram the OP provided us with, plus we have a junction just like this when exiting our estate.

If it was down to the description alone I’d be stuffed!

my final judgement is:

B was a dickhead (discourtesy, breaking Highway Code, also driving a needlessly flash car so just gets dickhead points for that)

C was plain stupid (created the situation which no-one could move)

A (me) was impatient as I could have let C out first or abandoned the manoeuvre rather than driving over the pavement (although doing that and taken an alternative route would have made us 10-15 mins late for school).

C shouldn't have pulled out to block path of B.
B shouldn't have blocked the route into the side road if their path was blocked.

If B moved in front of C then surely A can turn in
If still not enough room the A waits until B moves on a bit further.
C comes out same time as A goes in (as long as B is out the way by then)