To want every woman in England to vote Tory at the GE

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Wow. I started a thread with 1000 posts on a topic in 12 hours and Mumsnet got ‘full’

One more off the bucket list!

So MN told me to start a new thread if I wanted to post anything else. I didn’t particularly but there were some queries raised in the first thread.

Thank you to all first thread posters, even the small minority who were abusive to me and/or my opinions. Coherent arguments may have been more persuasive.

I have read many posts, but not all. I do have work to do!

In answer to some queries:

Yes I was drunk - explains GR typo in the first title not GE. Although that could well have been a Freudian slip too.

I am English living in England.

I’m not an entitled git living in a Stately home eating cucumber sandwiches. Like most I have been hit very hard by mortgage rate and utility price rises.

I restricted my request to English voters because I don’t understand other UK countries voter motivations.

a) Scotland has voted in a party which in my opinion is morally bankrupt (maybe financially too?) and totally incompetent.

b) Wales has elected a party which means when they go for a drive they’ll likely be overtaken by cyclists - maybe very fit joggers too

c) I genuinely don’t understand Northern Ireland politics. Didn’t even know there were no Tories there till reading it on one of the posts.

Totally get why so many won’t vote Tory, but for me freedom of speech is a die in a ditch issue.

Here’s what Angela Eagle is reported to have said will be in the Labour manifesto:

“• Strengthening the law so anti-LGBT+ hate crimes are treated as aggravated offenses”

For this I read anyone stating biological facts risks being banged up. JKR no doubt top of their hit list.

So give me another option to stop this madness other than vote Tory.

If all posters on the first thread had said they weren’t going to vote Labour due to their threat to women’s rights maybe Labour would have paused for thought about their policies. But seems very many women will vote Labour anyway so they don’t have to worry.

Very very happy to vote Labour and kick the Tories out if they will commit unequivocally to protect women’s rights, parents rights and freedom of speech. Otherwise not a chance.

Agree.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/ng-interactive/2015/apr/29/the-austerity-delusion
The whole austerity schtick was always seen as a clandestine way of creating small state, low taxes UK. Brexit was a goal towards it too.

Well this why they are going to get such a kicking. The middle classes can no longer buy their way out of the general policy of squeezing people out of using public services. We are now a country with food banks. Shameful.

@DuncinToffee none of these kinds of gotchas really land for me. Because if you ask politicians if being homeless should be illegal, they'd all say of course not (including Sunak). It's an attention grabbing headline, that doesn't reflect the reality of that debate. If you ask if some males should be in women's spaces, you'll get a range of answers.

@bombastix Yeah but there are millions of trans women waiting to invade our washrooms. I’m not saying that there isn’t an issue with the whole gender ideology thing but there are far more important problems to deal with. This coming GE should not be seen as an existential battle for women’s rights which is how Tory activists are trying to portray it..

When people are dying in quantity because ambulances don’t arrive for hours, it hits everyone. And ironically the Tory key vote proportionately more, because they are older, and more likely to need an ambulance. Just one example.

I know, you are a single issue person

Other people will be interested.

Agree 100 percent

Why then is Sunak supporting a bill to criminalise being homeless if he doesn't believe it should be illegal?

That being so, how can we trust what he says he supports on anything else?

none of these kinds of gotchas really land for me

That’s just another way of saying “I’m sticking with my entrenched, single issue view and will just ignore any evidence that doesn’t reinforce it”. The world is nuanced.

The point to me is that this is rather rarified view to have! Yes important but you must be a person of considerable means or otherwise in very favourable circumstances to be able to ignore the rest of the issues the UK has. I mean I saw a child without shoes last week. About 7 years old. That is the kind of poverty that existed in the UK in the 1950s. It is disgusting to see.

Beat me to it. 1000 excess deaths a month and almost the lowest number of hospital beds per capita in Europe is of far more concern to me than the tiny possibility of meeting a trans person in a bathroom. The emphasis on the latter by the obsessive GC activists seems self indulgent to me when looking at issues affecting large numbers of vulnerable people. Significant delays in A&E were up by more than 8% on the same time last year.

Anyone voting in a way that facilitates more of this is in my view self indulgent and misguided, and simply doesn't care about the wider issues affecting the most vulnerable in society.

No it's just saying that I'm not convinced there is a huge difference between the 2 main parties currently. A point also made by Owen Jones when he quit the Labour Party last week.

Owen rentagob Jones is in no position to be influencing anyone's views. I imagine there was a collective sigh of relief at Millbank.

I have to say, I can't stand Owen Jones. Rentagob is right.

There are some some differences between the Tories and Labour. Labour will be ditching the Rwanda plan for a start.

Goodbye Owen, don't rush back. 👋

It was a proud moment when Owen Jones blocked me on Twitter. Any party he leaves has got a lot going for it in my book.

As he joined 30p Lee at reform?
Can you just imagine them both talking incessantly at each other, while singularly failing to listen to anyone else, least of those who actually have some idea of what is occuring in the real world in which people live.

How interesting that so many of us dislike him! I thought I was in the minority.

No. I think he's a solid gold fool

Bit harsh on fools.

Not Millbank any more sorry, but yswim

Then there is no issue with voting for change

Or in my case, avoiding voting for any party who I suspect will make it easier for male sex offenders to become legally female.

"Suspect"

or more an attention grabbing headline, that doesn't reflect the reality of that debate