To want every woman in England to vote Tory at the GE

[Hurrydash]

Wow. I started a thread with 1000 posts on a topic in 12 hours and Mumsnet got ‘full’

One more off the bucket list!

So MN told me to start a new thread if I wanted to post anything else. I didn’t particularly but there were some queries raised in the first thread.

Thank you to all first thread posters, even the small minority who were abusive to me and/or my opinions. Coherent arguments may have been more persuasive.

I have read many posts, but not all. I do have work to do!

In answer to some queries:

Yes I was drunk - explains GR typo in the first title not GE. Although that could well have been a Freudian slip too.

I am English living in England.

I’m not an entitled git living in a Stately home eating cucumber sandwiches. Like most I have been hit very hard by mortgage rate and utility price rises.

I restricted my request to English voters because I don’t understand other UK countries voter motivations.

a) Scotland has voted in a party which in my opinion is morally bankrupt (maybe financially too?) and totally incompetent.

b) Wales has elected a party which means when they go for a drive they’ll likely be overtaken by cyclists - maybe very fit joggers too

c) I genuinely don’t understand Northern Ireland politics. Didn’t even know there were no Tories there till reading it on one of the posts.

Totally get why so many won’t vote Tory, but for me freedom of speech is a die in a ditch issue.

Here’s what Angela Eagle is reported to have said will be in the Labour manifesto:

“• Strengthening the law so anti-LGBT+ hate crimes are treated as aggravated offenses”

For this I read anyone stating biological facts risks being banged up. JKR no doubt top of their hit list.

So give me another option to stop this madness other than vote Tory.

If all posters on the first thread had said they weren’t going to vote Labour due to their threat to women’s rights maybe Labour would have paused for thought about their policies. But seems very many women will vote Labour anyway so they don’t have to worry.

Very very happy to vote Labour and kick the Tories out if they will commit unequivocally to protect women’s rights, parents rights and freedom of speech. Otherwise not a chance.

None @ATerrorofLeftovers. Similar to no kids living in poverty. Or no energy firms declaring record profits whilst sky rocketing charges. Or working families living on shit and leftovers because a bag of not even a weeks’ dinners from Lidl costs £70. Or no kids being taught in tents, or like my daughter, having no teacher for 9 months of an A level subject because hers quit for private school and they couldn’t recruit a replacement. Or no cars getting wrecked on the atrocious roads. Or people waiting months to start chemotherapy.

You think the potential rape of a female prisoner by a trans prisoner in prison trumps all of the above. I do not. And actually, if prisons, police, NHS, Social Care and MH services were properly funded, you would probably find the rare predator trans self identifying wouldn’t get into the prison in the first place because the system could filter it out.

"How many women being raped is acceptable to you?

This is such a gross argument.

And actually I've been asked this by far right posters on social media in response to my advocating that migrants arriving by boat and claiming asylum should have their claims heard. They post links to news stories about asylum seekers convicted of rape.

What makes your position any different?

I didn't say Keir Starmer wasn't bothered about women's rights. I said that the Labour Party is prioritising issues such as social care, the criminal justice system and poverty and destitution which adversely impact women and children rather than a narrow focus on the definition of biological women. I also said that these appear to be the priorities for the majority of the electorate.

Apparently it is completely impossible to do any of those things without knowing what a woman is.

I guess that is why the Tories have done nothing of any merit for 14 years.

I live in Scotland. For various reasons I'm no fan of the SNP (although generally I agree with their stance on social issues). But vote Tory? Never in a million years.

Why would the government need to make moves to stamp out something they introduced?

I think it would be best if you asked MNHQ to remove your misleading post, to avoid anyone else being confused.

I’d post enthusiastic approval for any party that will free us from the dystopia we’re currently enduring. My standards cover society generally not a single issue. I want a better society for everyone - I’d settle for a Tory government like Major’s. I don’t give a stuff what the party’s called, it just so happens that the only hope of getting the Tories out lies with Labour.

Don't worry we can clearly see your standards.

I don't doubt most of the Tory support on this site comes from those who won't be voting for them in the next GE.🤔

Fantastic. If you’ve managed to clock them as the standards of someone who’s passionate about women’s rights and safeguarding being protected, then you’ve got them spot on.

So you'll be out campaigning when the general election comes for a party that is highly likely to win and is passionate about women's rights and safeguarding.

Pleased to hear it.

Well that’s generally what governments do when they realise things have gone wrong, whether they themselves introduced it or not.

Wow, you must be very rattled to be repeatedly pushing for me to get posts deleted. Why so worried? The posts are clear enough as they are IMO, and I even posted a clarification on the off chance you might be posting in good faith. Your insistence on deletion is unusual and rather curious in the context of a MN political discussion.

Well that won’t be Labour unless they actually unequivocally commit to safeguarding the rights of biological women. But if by some miracle they do so, then I will certainly vote for them. It will be easy enough for them to do this, no?

Labour are passionate about safeguarding and women's rights, as you say you are, so I fail to see why you wouldn't campaign for them?

Ok, fair enough, admittedly I was making a point rather than working out the exact Maths. So, here is the actual Maths as close as we know it. 0.5% of the population is approximately 335000. Let’s assume half are trans women. That’s about 168000. According to the ONS, 10% live in Brighton&Hove and 10% in Manchester. That leaves roughly 134000 spread out around the entire rest of the UK. If you have issues with trans women sharing spaces, fine, but let’s not pretend that it’s because you’re going to be regularly sharing toilets.

I’m not going to keep explaining it to you. I’ve told you numerous times now.

If they were actually passionate about women’s rights, they’d make it clear they commit to safeguarding the rights of biological women. Why won’t they do that?

"If they were actually passionate about women’s rights, they’d make it clear they commit to safeguarding the rights of biological women. Why won’t they do that?"

But you no doubt believe you're passionate about women's rights, and yet you prioritise a focus on trans issues - which statistically can never meaningfully impact on the majority of women's lives,, while ignoring huge structural economic, health, criminal justice and income inequalities that are impacting on the lives of almost all women in the UK.

The obsession with trans issues on Mumsnet is bizarre and chilling.

I actually think if people are serious about safeguarding women they'd be keen on voting to address issues like the criminal justice system, health and social care, education and poverty.

Agreed.

“Pity the city l live in will always have a labour council though.. they spend too much on crap and their own expenses” - exactly the same happens in the council where I live- run by Conservatives.

Sorry OP are you talking about these Tories? The ones that The Fawcett Society, the TUC and Women’s Aid are warning us about? No thanks.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/feb/29/cuts-to-public-services-in-england-will-reverse-gender-equality-unions-warn

But you no doubt believe you're passionate about women's rights, and yet you prioritise a focus on trans issues - which statistically can never meaningfully impact on the majority of women's lives,, while ignoring huge structural economic, health, criminal justice and income inequalities that are impacting on the lives of almost all women in the UK

Between now and the GE, I want to keep on reading and seeing posts like these, responding to the slithery little Tory bots that will plague these boards, and knocking their 'Tories for women' bullshit right out of the ballpark.

The Tory party don't give a fuck about women. Fact.

The poster fighting the GC corner tonight said she isn't a Tory.

However there are plenty about who are using their GC beliefs to justify voting for another 5 years of Conservative cruelty. I absolutely agree that the Tories are actively hostile to women - and indeed to anyone vulnerable.

Still banging on 😆

@ATerrorofLeftovers

I've seen you demand, repeatedly, on this thread that someone explain to you why Labour won't unequivocally commit to safeguarding women's rights?

I've seen multiple others ask you where the Tories have done so.

For the sake of clarity, I'm joining those asking you too.

Where, @ATerrorofLeftovers, is the proof the Tories have unequivocally committed to safeguarding women's rights? How far does that commitment extend? What measures are they committed to in terms of e.g. Health, Social Care, Education, Criminal Justice, Disability, Employment, Housing etc.?