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To think using paper plates is the height of lazy.

289 replies

TheDarkHouse · 24/03/2024 18:02

I keep seeing reels and videos of people, mostly (if not all) Americans serving up dinner on either polystyrene plates or paper plates.

AIBU to think that’s laziness/time saving/convenience too far? Most videos these people have decent kitchens so presumably can house a dishwasher. Not that hard, nor time consuming to stack plates.

Disposable tableware for day to day dining seems the height of laziness.

OP posts:
Gorgonemilezola · 25/03/2024 06:40

Making paper uses huge amounts of water.

Those who use paper plates on a regular basis, do you also use other disposables? Cups, bowls, glasses, cutlery? If not, why is it so hard to wash a plate when you wash everything else?

glassconcreteandstone · 25/03/2024 06:41

I find that the box my pizza came in serves as a perfectly adequate plate 🤷

Quatty · 25/03/2024 06:46

My USA family do this an especially for events or when people or staying. We went for a week at Xmas and didn’t see a real plate! It was all festive paper plates and Solo cups, immensely wasteful.
even our kids were questioning it. And when we tried to reside the plastic coated plates they mocked us!

Quatty · 25/03/2024 06:47

Reuse the plates… it was one meal, one plate or bowl then bin!
even on Xmas day.

TTPD · 25/03/2024 07:05

Why would pans and cups be involved?

Usually its a toastie or a sandwich or similar and I fill my water bottle up.

What I don't really understand here is that washing a plate that has had a sandwich on it is a 5 second job. We've got one of those wands that you fill with washing up liquid and has a sponge on the end. Run water, wipe plate (that probably only has a few crumbs on it anyway) with wand, rinse.

That's where I'm confused with the kind of meals people are using them for, because it's mainly not the meals where the washing up is harder, it's sandwiches and toast etc

ChaoticCrumble · 25/03/2024 07:07

ladygindiva · 25/03/2024 06:26

Some people ( gasp) never have a dishwasher. It's not a hardship that justifies being environmentally irresponsible and lazy. No kids? What's so hard about wiping a couple of plates of an evening. Jeez.

it was definitely lazy, I was young and a bit thoughtless at the time, just sharing an anecdote really. Never said it was a hardship. It was a once-per-year purchase! And I don’t do it any more.

actually I think having a dishwasher can make a huge difference to quality of life. Not having one doesn’t justify laziness but I hated it.

tuvamoodyson · 25/03/2024 07:24

countvoncount · 24/03/2024 19:03

Wow. I'm in the tiny minority here, but I always use paper plates!
Not for proper dinner, but toast, crumpets, sandwiches, slice of pizza etc
Have done for years.
They go in the recycling bin.
Saves doing dishes, saves on hot water, and washing up liquid.

Me too!

OutOfTheHouse · 25/03/2024 07:40

tuvamoodyson · 25/03/2024 07:24

Me too!

Putting them in the recycling is pointless. If they are not clean then they won’t be recycled.

Lemoncokezero · 25/03/2024 07:42

DuesToTheDirt · 24/03/2024 20:35

Strange comment. I don't need to know, do I? I was just making a general observation. I'm not the paper plate police, I'm not going round to people's houses to assess their health and berate them for not washing up.

It's not a strange comment in the context of the reply. People are saying oh its OK if people are disabled. Like we have an excuse for use of paper plates. So my question is how are you able to know this? Hth

MamaWillYouBuyMeAWillYouBuyMeABanana · 25/03/2024 07:46

TTPD · 25/03/2024 07:05

Why would pans and cups be involved?

Usually its a toastie or a sandwich or similar and I fill my water bottle up.

What I don't really understand here is that washing a plate that has had a sandwich on it is a 5 second job. We've got one of those wands that you fill with washing up liquid and has a sponge on the end. Run water, wipe plate (that probably only has a few crumbs on it anyway) with wand, rinse.

That's where I'm confused with the kind of meals people are using them for, because it's mainly not the meals where the washing up is harder, it's sandwiches and toast etc

One of those plastic things with a sponge on the end that don't last long at all?

Washing up liquid, from a plastic bottle?

Super environmentally friendly there.

As I stated before I'm in pain a lot, I've had a stroke, and I'm a carer for my dd, so sue me if I take the lazy way out sometimes. If you don't understand why, then be glad.

AhBiscuits · 25/03/2024 07:47

OutOfTheHouse · 25/03/2024 07:40

Putting them in the recycling is pointless. If they are not clean then they won’t be recycled.

Also most of them are not recyclable because of the thin plastic coating. So wastefully using a single use item then contaminating the recycling, which can lead to it all going to landfill 👏

Every now and again you read something which really brings home that our planet is fucked and this thread is one of those moments.

TTPD · 25/03/2024 07:57

@MamaWillYouBuyMeAWillYouBuyMeABanana I wasn't saying I was better, I was just wondering what the point was when using it for something like a sandwich where the plate barely gets dirty. I've not made a single comment about the environment on this thread.

MamaWillYouBuyMeAWillYouBuyMeABanana · 25/03/2024 08:06

TTPD · 25/03/2024 07:57

@MamaWillYouBuyMeAWillYouBuyMeABanana I wasn't saying I was better, I was just wondering what the point was when using it for something like a sandwich where the plate barely gets dirty. I've not made a single comment about the environment on this thread.

Ahhh so you're just here to suggest that people with chronic pain, caring duties, depression, or many of the other reasons outlined on this thread are lazy, and you don't actually care about the environment then?

So much better.

Westfacing · 25/03/2024 08:14

I've seen people throw used tissues in the recycling bin so it's no surprise that people also throw in used disposable plates!

TTPD · 25/03/2024 08:15

@MamaWillYouBuyMeAWillYouBuyMeABanana I didn't say lazy either. I said I didn't see how it was even noticeably less effort. How can I think that something that isn't noticeably less effort is lazy? I was thinking that adding paper plates to our kitchen bin would mean it needed to be emptied more often, and even if this increase was slight, it would undo any slight benefit from not having to wash a plate that just had a few crumbs on it from a sandwich.

I also didn't say I didn't care about the environment. I said I hadn't brought it up on my comment, or anywhere on this thread. The reason is because, as many people on this thread have pointed out, no one is perfect here. And saying "well you use paper plates so you're damaging the environment" is a pointless thing to say because everyone does things that damage the environment all day. That doesn't mean people shouldn't try to reduce their overall damage, but I wouldn't pick at one thing someone does for their own reasons (such as the ones you've provided) and criticise them for it.

CommentNow · 25/03/2024 08:15

MolkosTeenageAngst · 24/03/2024 19:25

Because what’s a minor inconvenience to you is a major difficulty for me. I have adhd, I struggle with housework massively, dirty dishes piled up in the sink become overwhelming, they stress me out and exacerbate my mental health issues. You might find washing up easy, I don’t, I find household chores very difficult. For me I don’t see why anybody would choose to drive a local journey rather than cycle or get the bus, they’re only a minor inconvenience. I don’t understand why people would eat meat when plant based is often and still tasty, but of course plenty of people don’t agree, for some people the inconvenience of cycling somewhere is more impactful than it is to me.

It’s easy to judge people through what you personally find easy/ difficult/ reasonable and decide anybody who experiences life differently is therefore lazy and unreasonable but reality is we all find different things easy/ hard/ overwhelming/ manageable. Very few people actually make environmental choices that have a negative impact on them or make life harder for them, they make choices which are easy for them and then judge others for not doing the same ignoring the factors which might make doing the same more difficult. For example it’s easy for me not to take flights, I’m single so have no one to travel with and I can’t afford holidays anyway, I could get on my high horse and judge people who do holiday regularly and claim to be a better eco-warrior than them but reality is no flights has been an easy change for me to make. The same with being plant based as I don’t massively like meat and dairy products anyway. It’s easy for you to judge paper plates, you obviously don’t find washing up a genuinely difficult chore or perhaps you are lucky enough to own a dishwasher but that is not the case for me. Instead of looking at what others can do to better the environment maybe look at your own choices because I can guarantee you won’t be living a carbon neutral life yourself and that many of the choices you make to better your own life will have an environmental impact.

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I hope you are getting the support you need for your mental health issues. X

Janehasamane · 25/03/2024 08:18

I’m fairly sure there is likely we do that the Americans feel isn’t ok.

I don’t like paper plates as find them a bit insubstantial and floppy. I quite like thr bamboo ones, I use them for parties, and they recycle.

CurlewKate · 25/03/2024 08:52

Personally, my issue with disposable plates is environmental. I see absolutely nothing wrong with laziness!

DdraigGoch · 25/03/2024 09:05

I’m fairly sure there is likely we do that the Americans feel isn’t ok.

In terms of environmental impact I'm not sure that they've got the high ground in any respect.

Jc2001 · 25/03/2024 09:08

Minata · 24/03/2024 18:07

Genuinely asking how does it affect your life? I mean if they're lazy, then so be it. What do you get out of it by them being lazy?

This sort of waste and use of resources unnecessarily affects everyone.

CurlewKate · 25/03/2024 09:10

@Jc2001 "This sort of waste and use of resources unnecessarily affects everyone."

Agreed. Why "lazy"?

Comedycook · 25/03/2024 09:10

I think it says something about the overall food culture. The lack of respect for food. The focus purely on convenience. The laziness around cooking and mealtimes.

Allfortheloveofabiscuit · 25/03/2024 09:17

Also, if you have made the plate dirty ie grease, sauce/butter on it etc it cannot be recycled. Recycling is for clean, dry only 🙄 how can people be grown ups and not understand a very basic instruction!

DonnaBanana · 25/03/2024 10:31

CommentNow · 24/03/2024 18:45

@DonnaBanana It's a huge deal because

  • not all are FSC certified trees so may be causing deforestation and further damage to endangered species.
  • carbon from production and shipping
  • normally they are coated in plastic and not recyclable
  • even recyclable plates are usually too soiled so not actually recyclable.
  • stuff that isnt recycled is landfulled or burnt, both of which are damaging to the environment

All because some idot thinks they've found a life hack.

People need to wake up and realise the population of the planet cannot sustain a single use lifestyle.

World Earth Day is a day when we have used up all the sustainable and renewable resources on Earth.

This year it is on April 22. APRIL.

And it's not ok to think fuck the orangutans whose habitat is being destroyed because I drive a car once a week so I might as well not bother.

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Look. Number one, I think landfill is vilified too much. If you took a disused quarry or something you could literally dump rubbish in it for decades without filling it up. We have so much space on this planet and holes in the ground we can fill up without having to burn the rubbish or even drop it into a volcano.

Number two, I put paper plates in the recycling (after giving them a rinse and scraping all the food/dirt off so they look clean) and I’ve never heard anything negative back.

BadLad · 25/03/2024 10:40

DonnaBanana · 25/03/2024 10:31

Look. Number one, I think landfill is vilified too much. If you took a disused quarry or something you could literally dump rubbish in it for decades without filling it up. We have so much space on this planet and holes in the ground we can fill up without having to burn the rubbish or even drop it into a volcano.

Number two, I put paper plates in the recycling (after giving them a rinse and scraping all the food/dirt off so they look clean) and I’ve never heard anything negative back.

Look. Number one, I think landfill is vilified too much. If you took a disused quarry or something you could literally dump rubbish in it for decades without filling it up. We have so much space on this planet and holes in the ground we can fill up without having to burn the rubbish or even drop it into a volcano.

I’m quoting this in case the original post is edited later.