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Furious and scared doesn't cover it.

111 replies

AngryLikeHades · 22/03/2024 14:05

I go to a community exercise group and the people there (in general) are very nice and friendly (including the class leader who is a very lovely person who makes everyone feel good about themselves).
It is a council funded group that has a safeguarding nominated person who I bravely talked about this to.
Anyway... there is a man in the group who I didn't know but do moreso now because I got chatting to him on the bus there one day. I am trying to get a disability bus pass for my neurological issue and he was reassuring me that I would and it was easier than before we share one disability so he knows how to get a bus pass for this specific one(I have tried in the past and got nowhere.. it's hard to get the bus company to agree and I've now sent more comprehensive evidence along.) After the group finished that time he told me that it was best for me to eat food soon because it isn't good for me (neurological issue that makes me forget and sometimes not want to eat) and that we should chat about and organise getting the bus pass over food. I was a bit hesitant and said that I didn't want to eat and he said just somewhere quick but I said I don't want to eat fast food today so we ended up agreeing to go to Wetherspoons.
We went to Wetherspoons to eat and nothing about the bus ticket was talked about. There was alot of awkward silences because I didn't want to fill them in and wanted him to realise what a tit he was being.
He asked me very direct questions which I was very assertive and clear about (I've had to work on that because I'm a survivor of child sex abuse).
He asked me if I was wearing nice clothes and makeup for him, if I had a boyfriend and if I wanted one.
He asked for my phone number and if I would come back to his place to play some music (he saw my face and was manipulative* *and said 'not like thatttt..'.)
I was very clear and said no to all of those questions because I was absolutely not interested.
I hardly know him and he even made reference to that fat when we were chatting.
Anyway, I ate my meal and left by walking out whilst he had his phone out waiting for my phone number that I'd said no to. 😵
I told the safeguarding person the week after who talked to him about it whilst shielding me and making me feel safe.
He hasn't talked to me or tried to get my attention until we went to the pub on our last day as a group (not a usual occurance).
He tried on and off to get my attention when I was with these nice people by saying my name and I just ignored him and he then doubled his efforts so I blew up.
He told me to calm down when I let rip on to him by telling everyone he won't leave me alone. I then got no response (I think he couldn't comprehend in his misogynistic mind that I couldn't be interested despite the safeguarder having a word).
I was so angry and told everyone in front of me exactly what he'd said that time. He said 'No I didn'ttt!!'.
I ended up telling him 'it's not me.. it's YOU!!'
I'm worried he made me look like a crazy woman. I hate his misogynistic guts.
Ps. I don't know what the safeguarder told him but she made sure that I could leave that time at a separate time to him (that one time).
I hate his guts 😡
Ps. I live in supported housing and when at Wetherspoons he tried to tell me that I should live alone.

OP posts:
saltinesandcoffeecups · 22/03/2024 14:52

pikkumyy77 · 22/03/2024 14:50

I think its obvious that OP is a vulnerable adult, with a trauma history, living in supportive housing because of some level of disability. She is therefore quite right to be careful of potential predators and from her description this man targeted her in a very predatory snd concerning manner.

Please don’t criticize her for giving “mixed signals”—it is quite hard to figure out where the line is with predators who start small and then start pushing boundaries.

I think that people are giving the most likely interpretation of events to help the OP recalibrate because of all of those reasons you listed.

Holidaytime2024 · 22/03/2024 14:52

KreedKafer · 22/03/2024 14:42

She went to Wetherspoon's because he said he would help the OP with her bus pass application. He then did not do that at all, and started asking her if she was trying to look nice for him and did he want a boyfriend.

She said a clear 'no' and then asked her to go back to his, and pushed her for her number, and refused to take no for an answer. She was bothered by this and walked out of the pub because she was uncomfortable.

This isn't the behaviour of someone who 'just likes you' and is 'just asking questions'. It's someone who gets you to the pub under false pretences and persists in pestering you long after you've repeatedly made it clear you're not interested.

And did you miss the part where the safeguarding lead at the club had a word with the man, told him that the OP wasn't interested and asked him to leave the OP alone? But he didn't. He then started trying to get her attention by calling her name at her over and over again when she was chatting to other people.

None of that is OK. I don't have any past issues like the OP does, and I would think this man was a fucking creep.

But it doesn't even sound like she tried to ask about the bus pass. There were silences where she refused to talk. She wasn't forced to the pub. She could have said no and not gone.

WhoTurnedTheLightsOff · 22/03/2024 14:53

I am sad to hear that you have suffered sexual abuse in the past, but this seems like a very badly handled situation by both sides TBH.

You went to lunch with him which would have given him mixed signals and I am really confused by the fact that instead of making sure you had the bus pass conversation you just engineered these long silences. Why didn't you talk directly to him about the thing you were there to talk about to.

I get that you are annoyed by his persistence; it sounds like he is as emotionally thick as mince and stubborn too, but (as another poster said) he has hardly committed a crime here.

Also the smashing jaws comment you made is a huge overreaction and quite frankly loses you any moral high ground here. I know you haven't said it to him directly but you lost me when I read it. Totally unnecessary comment. Imagine if a man wrote that about a woman.

Idontjetwashthefucker · 22/03/2024 14:54

pikkumyy77 · 22/03/2024 14:50

I think its obvious that OP is a vulnerable adult, with a trauma history, living in supportive housing because of some level of disability. She is therefore quite right to be careful of potential predators and from her description this man targeted her in a very predatory snd concerning manner.

Please don’t criticize her for giving “mixed signals”—it is quite hard to figure out where the line is with predators who start small and then start pushing boundaries.

Yes I thought the same, lay off people

Summerhillsquare · 22/03/2024 14:56

You didn't overreact at ALL, ignore the male apologists on this thread OP. I rather admire your directness.

BigBreaths · 22/03/2024 15:02

I think if you went to the pub on your last day as a group, that means you won't have to see him again? I wouldn't waste any more mental energy on him.

To be fair on him, you did say he backed off after the safeguarder had a word, and had no more contact until you were in the pub. So telling everyone he wouldn't leave you alone was a bit harsh, because he had left you alone up until then.

I wouldn't bother hating his guts. I don't think he did anything really awful. It's fine for you to not be interested in him, not want to be his friend, or want to speak with him.

Mayflower282 · 22/03/2024 15:18

With all due respect, is this a fitness class for people with learning disabilities? Maybe he is not socially aware of what is acceptable behaviour?

Isittimeformynapyet · 22/03/2024 15:28

"Furious and scared doesn't cover it" is an extreme reaction OP, especially when you go on to describe what is essentially being chatted up.

"a safeguarding nominated person who I bravely talked about this to" 🎖️

I know others have agreed that this man is obviously a dangerous criminal, but I think you come across, through your own words, as slightly unhinged.

ohdamnitjanet · 22/03/2024 15:31

Holidaytime2024 · 22/03/2024 14:25

I feel you've massively overreacted. You could have said no to going to Whetherspoons. He obviously likes you but that's not a crime. You've had history of other people doing things and it sounds like you're jumping to conclusions because of this. I think you've been a bit harsh with him really.

I agree. Not a safeguarding issue.

DontBeAPrickDarren · 22/03/2024 15:38

People saying OP gave “mixed signals” by going for lunch - going for lunch with him does not imply an interest in a romantic or sexual relationship. There’s nothing “mixed” in what OP described.

Idontjetwashthefucker · 22/03/2024 15:40

Isittimeformynapyet · 22/03/2024 15:28

"Furious and scared doesn't cover it" is an extreme reaction OP, especially when you go on to describe what is essentially being chatted up.

"a safeguarding nominated person who I bravely talked about this to" 🎖️

I know others have agreed that this man is obviously a dangerous criminal, but I think you come across, through your own words, as slightly unhinged.

OP is obviously a vulnerable adult, stop with the insults ffs.

Ihearditfrommyradio · 22/03/2024 15:40

I think this sounds like a huge awkward misunderstanding due to one or both of yours neurological conditions.

Please try and forget about this person, I am sure it isn't a symptom of a wider issue, just a simple coming together of two people with disabilities that have caused a clash.

LunaMay · 22/03/2024 15:50

Idontjetwashthefucker · 22/03/2024 14:54

Yes I thought the same, lay off people

Why is he a predator and not just misunderstanding and misreading signals due to his own disability? It goes both ways, yes?

ClawedButler · 22/03/2024 15:51

I don't think you gave him 'mixed signals'.

In fact, it's really needling me that people are calling your behaviour 'mixed signals'. It's what Nice Guys (TM) say. "How was I supposed to know she didn't want a relationship with me?? She only said no a couple of times, and went on a date with me, I can't read her mind!" Mistaking 'cautious agreement to a public meeting for a very specific purpose' for a green light to press your (clearly) unwanted attention on someone is creepy. Women aren't vending machines that you put time/effort/manners/favours/money into and get sex or a relationship out.

What was she supposed to do?? Be outright rude to him? Anything less than screaming is consent?

Male apologists everywhere. He's a grown man, he knows what "no" means.

Idontjetwashthefucker · 22/03/2024 15:52

LunaMay · 22/03/2024 15:50

Why is he a predator and not just misunderstanding and misreading signals due to his own disability? It goes both ways, yes?

He's been spoken to by the safe guard person and nothing has changed, what do you suggest happens next if it carries on? Does she just put up with it because of his disability?

MyGooseisTotallyLoose · 22/03/2024 15:55

Holidaytime2024 · 22/03/2024 14:38

Nobody said you did. Do you read too much into things normally? This is a 'you' problem I feel and nothing about him.

This especially with the anger levels re wanting to smash people's jaws.

BobbyBiscuits · 22/03/2024 15:58

I think the way he tried to flirt in the pub was crass, and the fact you said no and walked away must make it fairly clear he's no chance. You did say he left you alone after the safeguard got in involved. Again, they may not have even said anything to him. I think the second time when he simply tried to speak to you, it seems a bit OTT. You could've just ignored him. I'd say if he was dangerous he'd have been even worse. But who knows...

PeonyFlush72 · 22/03/2024 16:00

He tried it on at lunch and you weren't interested, walked out, then spoke to the safe guarding person.

In a group setting at the pub he repeatedly tried to talk to you and get your attention so you blew up at him in public and now you hate his guts and want to break people's jaws.

Unless he has been harassing you in the meantime this is a vast overreaction.

charliefair · 22/03/2024 16:02

You should contact your local council regarding disabled bus pass. I don't know why the bus company would have anything to do with it, that's not standard at all.

Sofiabella · 22/03/2024 16:02

All the snide little fuckers on here calling her odd and similar when she's been open and honest that's she's a vulnerable adult with some level of disability. You should all be fucking ashamed of yourselves.

MumblesParty · 22/03/2024 16:02

Mayflower282 · 22/03/2024 15:18

With all due respect, is this a fitness class for people with learning disabilities? Maybe he is not socially aware of what is acceptable behaviour?

I was thinking the same

TheShellBeach · 22/03/2024 16:03

charliefair · 22/03/2024 16:02

You should contact your local council regarding disabled bus pass. I don't know why the bus company would have anything to do with it, that's not standard at all.

I was going to say that.
The local council will have application forms.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 22/03/2024 16:03

Unfortunately you seem to be giving mixed signals.

You chatted on the bus
Shared health info
Went for food

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You what? Mixed signals my arse.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 22/03/2024 16:05

She went to Wetherspoon's because he said he would help the OP with her bus pass application. He then did not do that at all, and started asking her if she was trying to look nice for him and did he want a boyfriend.

She said a clear 'no' and then asked her to go back to his, and pushed her for her number, and refused to take no for an answer. She was bothered by this and walked out of the pub because she was uncomfortable.

This isn't the behaviour of someone who 'just likes you' and is 'just asking questions'. It's someone who gets you to the pub under false pretences and persists in pestering you long after you've repeatedly made it clear you're not interested.

And did you miss the part where the safeguarding lead at the club had a word with the man, told him that the OP wasn't interested and asked him to leave the OP alone? But he didn't. He then started trying to get her attention by calling her name at her over and over again when she was chatting to other people.

None of that is OK. I don't have any past issues like the OP does, and I would think this man was a fucking creep.

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Absolutely all of this. And it definitely sounds like he has done this before.

LIZS · 22/03/2024 16:05

If you still feel uncomfortable speak to the safeguarding lead again. Do you have other friends in the group, if so try to leave with them. Agree with those who suggest he has issues f his own which may blur his boundaries but it should be a safe space for all.

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