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TaFox · 2024-03-20T21:43:37+00:00

DD5 is in year 1 and has been learning about Jesus at school. Great stuff in the spirit of Easter. The RE teacher told the class how Jesus was NAILED to the cross. This is quite graphic for a little girl who believes that the Easter bunny will leave eggs in our garden. Should I tell school that this is too much info for little ears?

SetinTime · 21/03/2024 09:00

Is this for real? Get a grip!

OneMoreTime23 · 21/03/2024 09:02

Boomer55 · 21/03/2024 08:18

For those of us sent to Sunday school, years ago, and those that attended school, this was taught to everyone. We all survived, no one appeared to be traumatised.

Easter isn’t really based on chocolate and fluffy bunnies.😗. It’s, for believers, our most religious time - which is why all shops must shut on Easter Sunday.

Despite Christianity now being a minority in the UK.

EverybodyIsFantastic · 21/03/2024 09:02

Tattletwat · 21/03/2024 08:44

There is no evidence of Jesus in Roman records.

One of the first mentions of him by Jewish Roman historian is wrote in 93 AD by Flavius Josephus and is wrote that differently to the rest of his work is suspected to be a fake inserted by the church.

The gospels don't really prove anything and are likely a work of fiction.

A lot of people will say historians agree Jesus existed is isn't strictly true as most historians and scholars who are employed to look into Jesus are funded by the church and aren't impartial.

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No. Most historians of any stripe contend Jesus was a historical figure, in that there was probably, on balance, a Jewish preacher who lived and died in first century CE Palestine, and that his life and works became the basis for a religion.

That is an entirely separate issue to believing he was the miracle-working son of a deity who rose from the dead, having allowed himself to be killed to redeem humanity.

Waitingforgeorge · 21/03/2024 09:02

In year one my kids had similar stories about the crucifixion - the game in the playground afterwards was…crucifixion, all healthy stuff, totally age appropriate torture stories.

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 21/03/2024 09:03

Let’s rewrite the Bible so as not to offend young ears. Jeez.

benefitstaxcredithelp · 21/03/2024 09:03

Catsbreakfast · 21/03/2024 00:33

Grow up. I’m not religious but went to a catholic primary. Jesus was born at Christmas (are you ignoring that too?) and died at Easter for all our sins sinplified in the betrayal by Judas. Nailed to the cross at Friday, resurrected on the Sunday. For catholics easter Sunday is bigger than Christmas Eve. We knew this as kids and quite honestly it doesn’t harm children to know some of the more gruesome bits behind their customs. Btw the bunnies you refer to are a Roman fertility ritual and giving Easter eggs as gift was originally a gift to wish fertility on the receiver. Not kid friendly either. You probably mean. Well shielding your child from gory bits of the world but you do them no favour.

Can’t believe you’re not religious and you believe all this. You call them traditions and customs but they’re not originally our British traditions (see above all the posts about the true origin of ‘Easter/Ostara/Oestra’. Christianity tagged all these fantasy stories onto existing traditions when the Romans brought it with them.

drspouse · 21/03/2024 09:05

Maybe it was fuzzy felt?
It's what happened. It's history as well (contemporary non Christian accounts, what we know about crucifixion) as well as RE.
If we were talking holocaust, we could say "killed" but the crucifix is everywhere.

Beekeepingmum · 21/03/2024 09:05

takemeawayagain · 21/03/2024 08:50

I'm an atheist and I have no idea why they need to be teaching such graphic details of history in schools at such a young age in the name of religion. I think all schools should be secular and not trying to ram this stuff down kids throats from the minute they start school. They should just learn about all religions in an age appropriate way - and crucifixion isn't age appropriate for 5 year olds.

I don't know what 'worse' things kids are hearing at 5 years old than someone being nailed to a cross.

So I'm with you completely OP.

I think they see they plenty of things that are just as bad but in a fluffy context. My three old girl was describing the programme she wanted to watch as the one with the naughty women who ends up being cooked in the hot oven - she meant the Cbeebies Hansel and Gretel Christmas Panto. The Cbeebies Alice in Wonderland Panto is full of beheading references. These are all aimed at pre-schoolers.

Smashieandnicey · 21/03/2024 09:06

Yep. There is no other context in which anyone would think telling four and five year olds about torture methods is completely fine.

They're not being taught about torture methods. They're being taught the Easter story. Christianity is one of the underpinnings of our society. You may not believe in it but that's just the way it is.

In secular schools they will be teaching about other religious festivals as part of the curriculum too. It is age appropriate to say that Jesus was nailed to the cross and killed in order to tell the story of the resurrection.

At this age children also do harvest topics where they learn where their food comes from. It's also a surprise to many 5 and 6 year olds that their food has been killed for them to eat as their parents shield them from this.

benefitstaxcredithelp · 21/03/2024 09:08

sashh · 21/03/2024 08:44

Off topic but I was once (on uni placement) asked to interpret 'felch'.

I find it interesting that people on here get upset about some Bible stories but then suggest a 'Noah's Ark' toy as a christening present.

I mean it's a toy based on a genocide.

Also anyone with kids in RC schools, there is likely to be a 3D depiction on the wall of their classroom.

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Yes and genocide inflicted by the supposed ‘all loving god’ who got mad at humans one day for, well being human, and decided to kill them all 😂

It’s hilarious to me that anyone would believe this claptrap.

All in the name of religion and so called tradition.

Jk8 · 21/03/2024 09:09

I also learned this earlier (with "pictures" to see 🤔) & was quite traumatised

This is sort or why I prefer the American "jesus loves you"/ head-to-toe bathrobes / bright halo lights version 😂 to the catholic/prod version

user1984778379202 · 21/03/2024 09:10

drspouse · 21/03/2024 09:05

Maybe it was fuzzy felt?
It's what happened. It's history as well (contemporary non Christian accounts, what we know about crucifixion) as well as RE.
If we were talking holocaust, we could say "killed" but the crucifix is everywhere.

I loved Fuzzy Felt as a kid! (Totally misses point of thread!)

LoreleiG · 21/03/2024 09:11

TheBeeb · 21/03/2024 08:37

Some children who's parents go to church will have heard this from they were babies though, church doesn't give out a content warning for sermons!

The whole point of Easter is to celebrate Jesus death, burial and resurrection. Kids see and hear far worse through normal every day life nowadays sadly.

Well I was one of those children and the crucifixion story did traumatise me, and the story about Herod.

Funny - other threads about religion aren’t quite so accepting of the Church’s attitude to children’s welfare. But when it comes to posters displaying their superior knowledge about the Easter story, teaching small kids about needless indoctrinal gore becomes completely fine.

TheFancyPoet · 21/03/2024 09:11

Well, this is what undergirds your western culture, which gave you the so called democracy you have today.

I am a christian from another denomination and no one taught me, churches under communism were open but Bible not taught. Anyway....my grandma told me few things showing me icons. I was actually traumatised a bit....very sensitive , so this is me.

it is a very tough choice but you have to suck than one in.

Moonmelodies · 21/03/2024 09:12

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 21/03/2024 09:03

Let’s rewrite the Bible so as not to offend young ears. Jeez.

To be fair it's been rewritten many times already. Some older versions had Jesus slaying dragons, but they had to take that out as people started asking too many questions.

TheFancyPoet · 21/03/2024 09:13

I absolutely delighted you made this post. It is a very very tough story, choice to accept what happened to Jesus but may be if you learn why it happened, then it will be a bit easier.

LoreleiG · 21/03/2024 09:13

Smashieandnicey · 21/03/2024 09:06

Yep. There is no other context in which anyone would think telling four and five year olds about torture methods is completely fine.

They're not being taught about torture methods. They're being taught the Easter story. Christianity is one of the underpinnings of our society. You may not believe in it but that's just the way it is.

In secular schools they will be teaching about other religious festivals as part of the curriculum too. It is age appropriate to say that Jesus was nailed to the cross and killed in order to tell the story of the resurrection.

At this age children also do harvest topics where they learn where their food comes from. It's also a surprise to many 5 and 6 year olds that their food has been killed for them to eat as their parents shield them from this.

They are literally taught about torture methods, within the gospel Easter story - you must have been taught a sanitised version.

SpringGreensPreens · 21/03/2024 09:13

I have a problem with us teaching all kinds of religious nonsense as if it was facts in schools.

MagpiePi · 21/03/2024 09:16

Telomeres · 21/03/2024 07:47

Oh PLEASE! Literally nobody is 'fucked up' as an adult by hearing a story, as a kid, about a guy who died 2000 years previously. Actually nobody.

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But millions of people have actually been 'fucked up' by the subsequent religions...

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 21/03/2024 09:16

Moonmelodies · 21/03/2024 09:12

To be fair it's been rewritten many times already. Some older versions had Jesus slaying dragons, but they had to take that out as people started asking too many questions.

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You know what I mean. Let’s take out the less palatable facts. The need to mollycoddle kids is off the scale. How will they ever cope in the real world; applying for jobs, rejection etc. Ridiculous.

Sweedey · 21/03/2024 09:16

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 20/03/2024 22:00

Well it’s good for her to know the true meaning of Easter and no it’s not all about bunnies and fun.

Well the original meaning comes from the pagan, pre-Christian goddes Eostre and it was a festival of Spring and rebirth, so definitely more fun than nailing people to crosses.

Original meaning of what?

LoreleiG · 21/03/2024 09:18

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 21/03/2024 09:16

You know what I mean. Let’s take out the less palatable facts. The need to mollycoddle kids is off the scale. How will they ever cope in the real world; applying for jobs, rejection etc. Ridiculous.

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Sorry but I don’t think kids need to understand the ins and outs of crucifixion torture to withstand rejection or apply to most jobs.

SlackAlice1 · 21/03/2024 09:20

user1745 · 20/03/2024 21:52

She probably won't really fully understand how horrible it is to be nailed by your hands at her age. She will understand the words, but not just how gory it would have been, if that makes sense. The same as how we all learnt from a very young age how people were beheaded in the Tudor era, but we probably didn't fully appreciate the details of it (assuming no graphic images are being shown).

Largely this.

Although I was a bit disturbed in primary school by a drawing in a history book of a man being beheaded. I remember it making me feel a bit sick.

HoppingPavlova · 21/03/2024 09:21

The people who say 'well I went to church and I knew this from 3' - there are shitloads of people like you who went to church and had this dinned into them as children who are really fucked up as a result. It's nothing to boast about, and I feel sorry for your childhood religious experience

That’s then pretty much the entire population over 30 is fucked up? Thats really not true. Why would you feel sorry for everyone’s childhood religious experience when it had no effect on them? It’s really only fairly recently in the scheme of things that some children are disturbed by such facts/story, and it’s probably more appropriate to ask why that is? Why are more kids snowflakes now than ever before as there has been a massive increase in this over time.

I remember all my kids were interested in mummies around 5, and of course asked how/who/what. I had no issues telling them about pulling brains out through noses with long hooks, internal organs put in jars, how they mummified etc. It is what it is. They were all fascinated and it was a ‘good to know’ vibe. Nowadays you’d probably have to line up 10 years worth of counselling for the kids coming through🤦‍♀️.

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 21/03/2024 09:22

LoreleiG · 21/03/2024 09:18

Sorry but I don’t think kids need to understand the ins and outs of crucifixion torture to withstand rejection or apply to most jobs.

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Don’t be obtuse. I’m talking about the constant need to wrap them in cotton wool