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Jesus held on the cross with nails in his hands

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TaFox · 20/03/2024 21:43

DD5 is in year 1 and has been learning about Jesus at school. Great stuff in the spirit of Easter.

The RE teacher told the class how Jesus was NAILED to the cross.

This is quite graphic for a little girl who believes that the Easter bunny will leave eggs in our garden.

Should I tell school that this is too much info for little ears?

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Devonbabs · 21/03/2024 07:41

Maybe take your child into a church, read the Easter story together and discuss it in any way you like.

I’m surprised your daughter has not seen a crucifix before. Everyone in the West needs a good education in Christianity much of western history and art is very closely intertwined with it.

Telomeres · 21/03/2024 07:47

GlomOfNit · 21/03/2024 00:37

OP, I seem to be massively flying in the face of MN opinion on this one (I'm sort of surprised how your poll went) but yes FFS of COURSE it's far too graphic for a year 1 schoolchild!! Bloody hell. Would you want them to read, outside of a religious context, something of that nature at that age? To see something on a screen that even hinted at that sort of gory violence? The people who say 'well I went to church and I knew this from 3' - there are shitloads of people like you who went to church and had this dinned into them as children who are really fucked up as a result. It's nothing to boast about, and I feel sorry for your childhood religious experience.

There are age-appropriate ways of explaining the Easter Story. I thought hardly any CofE schools went into that sort of detail at that age any more. When my own son was at our village CofE primary, he says (retrospectively) that the actual execution was so glossed over that when they, years later, covered the story of Doubting Thomas, and the holes in Jesus' hands were discussed, he thought 'Jesus has HOLES in his HANDS?! Bloody hell, what happened there?' and was quite disturbed. Grin

Sure, Easter is about Jesus and sacrifice AS WELL as about bunnies and chocolate (things change, and it's disingenuous to say to anyone connecting Easter with chocolate and eggs 'well that's not what the meaning of Easter is'. Also annoyingly smug). But you don't go into gory unnecessary detail, particularly in a school where not all the children come from Christian families, and even then I think it's pretty awful.

Oh PLEASE! Literally nobody is 'fucked up' as an adult by hearing a story, as a kid, about a guy who died 2000 years previously. Actually nobody.

GlomOfNit · 21/03/2024 07:48

MagpiePi · 21/03/2024 06:56

I hope you don’t let your child listen to the news - children being shot in schools in the USA, children being killed in knife attacks here in the uk, people being blown up and shot in the numerous wars that are going on in the world, women in Iran being beaten, tortured, raped and killed for not wearing a headscarf, children dying of starvation the world over.
Humans are a violent and cruel species.

Well, no, I wouldn't be exposing a 5/6 year old to the evening news broadcast, actually. Hmm I didn't with my 5 year old, we were fairly careful to shield him from mass shootings and wartime atrocities and extreme gore until he was a couple of years older. Bloody hell, what is WRONG with some of the people on this thread??

This whole thread appears to miss the OP's point - which was NOT 'should my child learn about nasty things in the world and Jesus being cruelly crucified in particular?' but 'is this age-appropriate for my 5/6 year old child to learn?'

DramaLlamaBangBang · 21/03/2024 07:50

Hobbesmanc · 21/03/2024 06:12

I do remember as a child being really distressed at the Passover stories which seemed to overlap the Easter stories at my school. I was the oldest child so the death of the first borne and the daubing of the blood on the doors to warn away the angel of death was traumatising. Don't get me started on Herods slaughter of the innocents.

The Last Supper was a passover meal, which is why the two festivals more or less overlap.

I was brought up Catholic, but now I would say I was agnostic. But I bloody love the Easter services. The drama is off the scale! I'm going to take DS1 this year as part of his RE revision.

I thought the nailing at the crucifixion was just added cruelty. The crucified were suffocated because they were stuck there for so long their legs couldn't hold them up.

Grandmasswag · 21/03/2024 07:51

ApplePippa · 21/03/2024 07:27

That's a gross oversimplification.

The origins of Christian Easter are completely separate to the Teutonic goddess of fertility. The date of Easter is loosely based on Passover, and it's coincidental that this happens to be around the same time of year Northern European pagan spring festivals were happening.

Anglo Saxon England shifted culturally from Pagan to Christian over the centuries, and of course there was a blurring together of traditions. Easter is not called Easter in many countries, but has names derived from Passover. Ostra/Eostra was not a Celtic goddess, and arguably the germanic invaders/settlers who became the Anglo Saxons appropriated and adapted the festival from Celtic pagan religions.

The early church didn't just rock up in northern Europe and say "Oh look, a pagan festival. Let's appropriate it for our biggest festival which is absolutely pivotal to our beliefs".

Yes, Christmas was appropriated by the church, but it's much more complex with Easter.

I find all this stuff super interesting. But they must have appropriated the timing and name somewhat? Or it wouldn’t be called Easter today? That’s a bit potato/potato to me at least. I think in non faith schools if they’re going to teach about the main religions it would be good to learn the religion of Britain before Christianity, as it seem to me those festivals actually have the most relevance to our modern traditions. Which is really cool.

Telekoma · 21/03/2024 07:52

@Telomeres I agree. I've yet to meet anyone who was traumatised by him being nailed to a cross, especially an adult.
They see worse on TV.
How old were you when you found out he was nailed to the cross OP?

sashh · 21/03/2024 07:52

GoodnightAdeline · 20/03/2024 21:45

I was brought up Catholic and learned this at age 4. Never lost any sleep over it. She will be fine.

And if you were in RC schools you would have a depiction of it in every room that wasn't the toilet.

YABU using the word bunny/ bunnies. It's rabbit. If you must use the word then refer to it as bunny rabbit.

Has anyone ever said 'The Easter Rabbit'? I've only ever heard of an 'Easter Bunny'.

And to be pedantic they should be hares, they are active about this time of year which is when ground nesting birds lay eggs, people thought hares laid them.

Link that to the story of Oestra changing a bird in to a hare that then layed brightly coloured eggs for her.

Ellegeebee · 21/03/2024 07:53

Actually the nails would have been out through his wrists, if they’d been put through his hands they’d have torn straight out and wouldn’t have been able to bare the weight of his body. Catholic school upbringing, learned about the process of being executed on a cross in great detail 🤔

Devilshands · 21/03/2024 07:56

Does your daughter have access to the internet OP? Phone? TV Etc. cos if so, I’m betting she’s seen and heard worse already, even at her age and with parental controls.

Not saying it’s right, but you can’t be angry on one hand and let your kid have access to the internet (where even on the BBC there’s some pretty grim stuff) on the other hand

Clarefromwork · 21/03/2024 07:56

Floralnomad · 20/03/2024 21:45

Im an atheist but even I know that Easter was originally about Jesus not bunnies and eggs .

😂Not sure I would compare an adult atheist with a 5 year old child

ConJob · 21/03/2024 07:59

Laikalaika · 21/03/2024 07:10

I'm concerned that she's never been to a church. Even if you don't believe, it's an important aspect of our cultural heritage and I think a child should at least go a few times so they know what to expect if ever they go to a church wedding, funeral or christening in the future.

We take our DD1 every week and they do a short kids sermon on different bible stories... From Elijah, to the parables of Jesus, to Paul's letters. The children love it and are always hooked (they make them very visual and immediate).

And how often do you take them to the synagogue? Or Pagan temple? It's an important aspect of our cultural heritage to see where the Christian religion came from. And you really should take them to the mosque and other temples so they know what to expect if they ever get invited to a wedding or funeral of other religions. I'm very concerned that you are only teaching your child about one religion..

LookItsMeAgain · 21/03/2024 08:03

Nailed - hands and feet!

What about the beheadings and use of the guillotine that the English and French were so fond of? That form of punishment was dispensed by Royalty (and sometimes to Royalty).

In answer to your question - no I don't find it graphic because it's telling the story of Easter (which is, I am to believe) the bigger of the Christian celebrations (Christmas v Easter).

People have been absolutely horrid to each other for millennia. Best she starts to learn about it now, imo.

SignoraVolpe · 21/03/2024 08:03

Moonmelodies · 21/03/2024 05:45

Not 'definitely existed' at all, the evidence is pretty sketchy at best.

The evidence is not sketchy.
The Romans kept very good records.
And the four gospels give details of Jesus life and death.
Jesus baptism and crucifixion are considered to be historical facts.

GlomOfNit · 21/03/2024 08:07

Telekoma · 21/03/2024 07:52

@Telomeres I agree. I've yet to meet anyone who was traumatised by him being nailed to a cross, especially an adult.
They see worse on TV.
How old were you when you found out he was nailed to the cross OP?

My point is, they DON'T see worse at AGE FIVE on tv, or they bloody well shouldn't. You get to control that, you know.

Or genuinely, does nobody on this thread think it's a good idea to shield 5/6 year olds from the sorts of things that older children can (mostly) cope with?

Devonbabs · 21/03/2024 08:07

ConJob · 21/03/2024 07:59

And how often do you take them to the synagogue? Or Pagan temple? It's an important aspect of our cultural heritage to see where the Christian religion came from. And you really should take them to the mosque and other temples so they know what to expect if they ever get invited to a wedding or funeral of other religions. I'm very concerned that you are only teaching your child about one religion..

I don’t really agree. Pagan temples as they are are generally nothing to do with our history, it’s generally neo paganism which is practised today.

I think it’s important to discuss the Jewish faith as to give context to Christianity. But the Jewish faith in isolation has had very little influence in our culture.

I would suggest it’s important to give a good grounding in Greek philosophy and the philosophical schools which came after as this had a big impact also.

I don’t think understanding Islam, Buddhism and other religions is that important except to understand some world events and to be tolerant of those with other beliefs. They are pretty irrelevant to understanding western history and culture before the late 19th and 20th century, even then it’s fairly fringe.

hopscotcher · 21/03/2024 08:08

I kind of agree with you OP, but Christianity does seem to enjoy its focus on the gory aspects of Jesus' death.

Parker231 · 21/03/2024 08:10

ConJob · 21/03/2024 07:59

And how often do you take them to the synagogue? Or Pagan temple? It's an important aspect of our cultural heritage to see where the Christian religion came from. And you really should take them to the mosque and other temples so they know what to expect if they ever get invited to a wedding or funeral of other religions. I'm very concerned that you are only teaching your child about one religion..

Agree - we’re atheists and DT’s didn’t go to a British school so had no religious education at school. (Thank goodness for separation of church and state).
However they have friends from around the world who practice many different faiths. They’ve been to weddings in India, Japan and Dubai - good to experience different cultures.

Smashieandnicey · 21/03/2024 08:10

I'm a sign language interpreter and have interpreted for deaf children of all ages in schools.

If you think it's graphic, picture what it looks like in sign language. Sex ed lessons are always fun too.

You're definitely overreacting and your daughter will be fine. She'll be learning about the Egyptians pulling brains out with hooks soon enough. Kids love all this stuff.

Justcallmebebes · 21/03/2024 08:10

TaFox · 20/03/2024 21:57

We've never been to church so DD has never seen a Jesus on the cross...

Still? That's VERY graphic for a young child!

I agree with PPs that it's so horrible that they have to be told young when they don't filly grasp the whole thing.

Actually, no PP's are agreeing with you, you're pretty mych a lone voice! And it's not a Jesus. It's Jesus

Could you be any more precious?

CaptainMyCaptain · 21/03/2024 08:14

Illpickthatup · 20/03/2024 22:03

Easier was originally a pagan festival that celebrated spring and new life. So yes it kinda is about bunnies and eggs.

But the school are teaching the Christian Easter story which involves crucifixion. The Pagan spring celebrations are something else. I taught both - the Easter story with Jesus and the celebration of new life in spring which is why we have eggs, chicks and rabbits.

SinnerBoy · 21/03/2024 08:15

ApplePippa Today 07:27

I couldn't be bothered to go into great detail, but it certainly was co-opted as a festival and various saints were assigned to supposed local miracles and mysteries.

The whole virgin birth, from the dove, to the Maig in the cave, 12 apostles, betrayal and resurrection were lifted wholesale from the legend of Mithras.

jen337 · 21/03/2024 08:15

SuperSange · 21/03/2024 06:42

Just when you think you've heard it all. I honestly worry about the human race sometimes.

I know. Fancy actually believing in Jesus’s ‘miracles’ and that he died and came alive again. And then trying to teach children this nonsense. Smh

Mallani · 21/03/2024 08:16

There are tons of horrible stories in the Bible - much worse than this. My dd treated us to a graphic stick-person drawing of the stoning of St Stephen on a restaurant napkin (complete with spurting blood) when she was 6. Lovely! I've still got it :)

Hoppinggreen · 21/03/2024 08:16

Floralnomad · 20/03/2024 21:45

Im an atheist but even I know that Easter was originally about Jesus not bunnies and eggs .

Its actually the other way around. Eggs/spring/fertility first and Jesus later

Duggeehugs82 · 21/03/2024 08:16

Religious education isn't compulsory in the UK, I'm Atheist to me and my family easter is about Easter bunny and chocolate! I'm not going to celebrate a Religious thing if I don't belive religion is true. I do belive we need to learn about different religions , does it need to be specific? No... does it really matter that a small child learns that in the story about Jesus being on a cross and the specific way in which he was on cross no . I personally think it's ridiculous to say it does.