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Confronted friend for pulling out of trip

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anxiousannie2022 · 20/03/2024 12:59

My friend, let's name her Mary is friends with Ann and Jo. I have met Jo a few times & we get on. I'm not a direct friend but I would socialise with her when with Mary and Ann.

Jo has organised a weekend trip this year. Mary got on to me a few months ago and said I have to go, last year's was so much fun. A Whatsapp group of 15 people was set up and all said they were in. I don't know anyone except for Ann, Mary and Jo. Jo booked her flights, Mary said she'd book when she had a free minute and I said I'd book on payday. Payday came, I spent 300 euro on flights. Radio silence from Ann & Mary.

I PM'd Mary to ask was she booking and she said she wasn't sure now, she's going to try for another baby and will have to see closer to the time. I was miffed as there was no indication before this that were was any doubt, & while I realise having a baby is a priority, a heads up would've been good as I don't really know anyone else going & was missing a good friends hen party to attend this trip. I also am aware trying for a baby is private so no need to share those details. Just a "I mightn't be able to go for personal reasons, just in case that affects you wanting to go" kind of thing.

Weeks later, I'm having dinner with Mary. She drops in she's going on a weekend away with Ann and did I want to come on xxx date - the same date of Jo's trip! I said no as I'm going on Jo's trip? Mary said "oh is that the same weekend?" Then said she wasn't sure about going on Jo's trip as it was a different group of pals and her and Ann didn't like them. They told Jo they are not sure about their trip, as both trying for babies.

I was annoyed as felt I could have been given some indication they may not be going as I wouldn't have booked otherwise. Financially, I could have done without a trip where I know 1 acquaintance and the rest are strangers.
I voice-noted Mary this morning - a nice message with general chit chat & brought up re Jo's trip. I said nicely, a heads up would have been good & while I'm not trying to make them feel bad, I feel awkward about going and I wouldn't have booked if I'd known they may not be able to go.

I got some long texts back about being stressed due to a variety of personal goings on, that she didn't know she would be trying for a baby, this trip was far down list of her priorities, she's mixed up the dates and her and Ann's trip is not the same weekend & nothing to stop me heading on my own or cancelling and going to my friends hen (at a significant expense now as can't get refund for flights).
I replied to say I was unaware of all that going on and that's completely understandable - from my perspective I'd been told a few different things and was confused but that's all fine.

She kept going and said I was told a few different things as there's hopes and reality and reality happens quite often for most people. Again I said I understand, but I'm not a mind-reader and could only go but what I was told and what is in messages and I have more of an understanding now. Have had no response since except a thumbs up and now feel really awkward and bad. Was it correct to call her out without knowing all the details of what was happening with her? I just feel like I couldn't have known only what I was told. I feel awful now. She is a very close friend.

OP posts:
Redpaisley · 24/03/2024 06:04

anxiousannie2022 · 20/03/2024 13:37

Thanks. I will go on the trip, and am sure will have a good time - it's just it's not something I would have spent time or money on etc. had I known the main people I wanted to go with it aren't going. I'll suck that part up but now just worried as feel I have upset her greatly.

I think rather than saying, 'my understanding was...' you should have been direct and just asked- why did she ask you to go if she wasn't sure of going and why did she say last time was a lot of fun and much later said, they didn't like people on the group to the point of not booking another trip.

DodoTired · 24/03/2024 21:59

Why do you feel awful??
there weren’t any circumstances preventing her to go on the trip that should make you feel awful.
she just was flaky friend!

Lalalalala555 · 24/03/2024 22:42

Im sorry to hear how this has gone
My views

As your friends knew when you were planning to book. And knew they were the two people you actually knew on the trip. And they were the ones who invited you.
They should have told you before payday, if theyre nice people and considerate - that they were having second thoughts. And that actually they are not sure if they'll go.
Them giving certainty and then reducing that breaks trust. So yes thats them being bad friends.

Equally them doing the same thing twice about inviting you on trips then saying they're not sure after - they're repeating that behaviour.

There is no excuse for being inconsiderate. Ie fair enough they have stuff going on but it doesnt mean it detracts from the effect of their behaviour on their friend ie you.

Things to takeaway

  • if you plan to go on trips, especially with these people, make sure they have booked before you book. Better yet get them to book for you both and pay them back when you are there in person. That way they'll be way less likely to keep dropping out.
  • i would re evaluate how close you are to these people. Nice you see them ect but it doesnt sound safe for your peace to be planning big expensive activities with them when they're unreliable and inconsiderate towards you.
They have not considered you very much and hence you have been left in a position where you are inconvenced by them.

At this stage, as you.
Go and make the best of it because you cant get the money back. Unless its going to be a lot more than the expense youve already covered.
Maybe you can alter plans and do a more you trip instead of meeting up with that group. Ie make good use of the flights.

Be very straight with your friends that because they had given you a clear yes then flaked and not told you. It has cost you money and eroded at sense of trust you have in the friendship. If you just say how you feel. And leave it at that. Then they know.
And if they're nice friends having a major wobble, they will care.
If they are not such great friends, they won't care, will continue to behave in an inconsiderate manner, and i personally think you're wellbeing and happiness would be improved if you choose to spend time with people who care more about you and how their actions impact you. Ie are responsible for their actions.

If they were nice, its fair to have personal stuff its fair that they may think you'd double check to be cautious.
But it's also fair that they as friends should care if theyve let you down, and also show that in changed behaviour. And saying sorry rather than excuse making.

Anyone can have busy reasons, but just because you are busy with one thing doesnt mean its mutually exclusive to how that impacts other things.
/people. Even if it's out of ignorance.

Ie if you walk into someone, or drop something on them by accident or just didn't think, you can still care if they experience upset as a cause of your actions.
Thats the issue with your friends. Is its they're okay maybe didnt have bad intentions. But also it was inconsiderate. But really the issue is when you raise it and they don't care.

You did have the power to mitigate the situation by asking them the day you book flights for solid confirmation.
Your risk for trusting your friends and not doing that meant that you now pay the price.
It sucks.

But you do have the power to:

  • not make the same decision with trust and bookings. Ie check.
  • choose different friends that care more about you.

If you do both of those in future you will be happier.
Although you cant go back and implement that.

And jt also sucks that you had that level of trust with your friends and they let you down.

Lalalalala555 · 24/03/2024 22:48

In short. You paid a price for trusting your friends.

If you tell them that.
How do they respond and act?
Based off their reactions and actions /behaviour, what do you want to accept for yourself?

You can't make people be nicer than what they are.

Redpaisley · 25/03/2024 03:10

anxiousannie2022 · 21/03/2024 09:36

Thank you. I feel like I need to recap for complete clarity to see if I AMBU - apologies as it is a bit lengthy!

Jo organised a trip last year, smaller group of about 8. About 15 going this year of Jo's friends and me - again, I do know Jo, she is very nice but we wouldn't hang one to one, we share mutual pals. This year's trip has been on the cards since last September and there has been much chat about where to go etc. Destination of Lisbon decided at Christmas. On the group chat, all good to go.

I noted around Christmas I would book on my January payday, and Mary said she'd book once she had a free minute. A week before I booked in January, I said in group chat again I would be booking the following week. On the day I booked I said to the group and Jo replied that's great, and could she just confirm numbers from everyone again for accommodation. Nothing from Mary or Ann, so I PM'd Mary and she responded she wasn't sure now, as will be trying for a baby.

I am totally fine with this but the part that annoys me in the below communication is that she keeps saying she didn't know at the time of my booking - but she did know as the day I booked is when she responded to me saying she wasn't sure, and I had given a heads up the week before I was booking which she read on the group chat - I feel then she could have stepped in then and said to me "hey, not sure of my plans for May time, just letting you know I might not be able to make it then!" I would have zero problem with this as I would have been making an informed decision. And then the dinner etc. happened and she said about trying for babies, about going to London for a weekend, and that Jo had invited girls that weren't on last year's trip and her and Ann weren't keen on them.

Again, as I don't know said girls, I feel a heads up here would have been helpful if they are not that nice or whatever. For more background context, Mary and her husband and two kids have moved back from the UK to Ireland about 10 months ago - Mary does not work and was looking after youngest child, and hubby goes to the UK on regular work trips. Again, I have no issue with not being able to make the trip - I have an issue with not being informed and repeatedly saying she didn't know, when at the time she did - she may have gotten mixed up, which I understand but no acknowledgement of that. This was the exact conversation text yesterday:

Her: "Sorry love, we didn't know when you booked and there's no plan to go to London that wknd- did I not text you after that night and told you I had got my wknds mixed up and it was April 22nd for London? Maybe that was *Cathy (another friend) I said it to!
I am still not 100% out for Lisbon- like I've said to Jo too, it really does just depends on what happens! Go to (my friend's) hen. There was no heads up to give at the time of your booking! X"

Me: "Must have been Cathy! I had said on the group I was booking payday yes after you had said you'd book tickets when you'd get a free minute. Of course, I know obvs having a baby is priority and you can't 100% plan for those things but it would have been good to get an indication ye might not be heading x"

Her: "I said that during a very hectic UK trip when we had several A&E trips with (her DD) and have had months of sickness and a nightmare with (her sister) living here since we've been back. And very unhappy children and lots of travel and lots of absent (DH). This trip has been pretty far from my mind most of the time.
Trying for a baby only a recent development too since DH & I decided we're happy enough together to go for it again. So couldn't have given any indication to anyone else when the decision hadn't even been made in my own mind until recently.
Also haven't known where I would even be living in May and where to book from as we don't know if we're staying in Ireland or going.
So plenty going on with us and absolutely no ability to know what's going on myself, let alone tell others! If I was clear on anything myself, I could have shared it but this has been a really hard few months for us and this trip is so far down my thoughts to be honest!"

Me: "Ah Mary, of course that's totally understandable. I guess from my perspective I was told a few different things i.e. it was because this group of girls going were a bit rough so you and Ann didn't want to go, ye were heading to London that weekend and trying for babies... I was not aware all that was going on and hope things are a bit better now x"

Her: "You were told a few different things because there are hopes and then there's reality and reality often gets in the way. Happens quite often to most people, there's nothing stopping you going alone like I did last year!"

Me: "I know, I just felt like it was all go go go until I booked and yes, I wouldn't mind going alone but I don't know Jo that well one to one, let alone the others.
Anyway, its absolutely grand."

Her: "Well my shit basically went to shit at Christmas so if that's when you booked, then that's when it fell far down my list of priorities!"

Me: "I booked end of January?! And I completely understand that - just I'm not a mind reader and I can only go by what I was told and what was in messages.
So its all good, I have more of a understanding now and that's completely fine x"

Her: "Noone expecting you to be a mind reader. Any time you asked, I told you what was true for me at that time and then I just made a mistake on London dates as you can see here. The rest of the time, this has been so far from my mind."

Me: "Mary that's all seriously grand!! From the conversations in the Lisbon group, I just got the impression everything was good to proceed with booking. I booked at the end of January, and I made sure to mention a week beforehand that I was planning to book then. I sent a text on the same day I booked in Jan, and it was only on that day that I became aware there might be a possibility you couldn't make it.

I completely understand that priorities and circumstances can change in life, and people have a lot going on. Until this morning, I wasn't aware that London was planned for April 22nd - I get that was a mix-up up but until this morn, I just thought it was the same weekend as what I was initially told.

I also wasn't aware that you guys weren't keen on joining the particular group of girls heading to Lisbon and Laura had messaged me to ask about you guys heading with us. I'd like to put this to bed now but I just wanted to give you some context from my perspective/where I was coming from, and totally understand that this trip is far from your mind x"

Sorry the above is so long but I just wanted to give complete clarity so no confusion! Really appreciate all the advice.

You kept telling her you understand and that it's all ok, would be grand.

People like Mary are unreliable. We all know priorities can change but if you are at that stage in life, better not involve in your erratic life. She didn't have to try to convince you to go on this trip.

I think a lot of people told you that YANBU but you're still confused, so I think now you need to decide yourself.

Redpaisley · 25/03/2024 03:31

HollyKnight · 23/03/2024 08:12

The friend already has a young child, a child who has been very ill for months, which included making multiple trips to A&E, while her husband was out of the country meaning she had to deal with that on her own, while having other family trouble, and potentially moving/leaving the country before the Lisbon trip is to happen etc.

So, unless you are Superwoman, I imagine all that would push a jolly with your mates down your list of priorities somewhat.

But this poor woman could book a trip with another friend for April ( original trip in May) despite all these problems?

Redpaisley · 25/03/2024 03:45

StealthMama · 23/03/2024 16:13

Mary is out of order.

She convinced you to join her non a trip, then found out people where going she didn't like. Decided not to go herself and don't bother to tell you.

We all have stuff going on in our lives. She's totally manipulating you to feeling bad for raising it but honestly, she's a shit friend.

And she knows too well you wouldn't have considered the trip if she wasn't going, but has no remorse whatsoever.

She is DARVO inc you.

@HollyKnight this is what happened

RoseberryT · 28/03/2024 15:05

Glad to see most supported you

Stuckinthemiddle7890 · 28/03/2024 15:33

"nothing to stop me heading on my own or cancelling and going to my friends hen"

This sentence all.on it's own is selfish and thoughtless.. she could have simply written " I'm so sorry you're absolutely right , I should have given you a heads up but I really didn't think " end of and op, you sound more then reasonable, you understand they have their own lives that's their priority.. shame they don't recognise this for you.

horsesforcourses6 · 22/10/2024 17:41

anxiousannie2022 · 22/03/2024 14:48

I guess I assumed that as I had said on the group chat that i was going to book the following Friday, that if there was any reason to hold back it would brought forth. But Yes I agree I should have double checked and will know for future reference for sure.

Did you go in the end OP? And are you still friends with Mary? Does she still have as much of a brass neck?

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