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To think that this is a prime example of the entitlement from some people in this country?

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MealDeal1 · 18/03/2024 13:31

Someone on a large FB group that I am on posted yesterday to say that they want to move abroad and gave examples of a couple of countries that they want to go to.

They then said that they live in council housing here so would need to be 'housed' over there and how do they go about getting housed?

Basically they wanted to move abroad and get given that country's equivalent of a council house/social housing on arrival.

AIBU to think this is the absolute height of entitlement?

OP posts:
Rainynight09 · 18/03/2024 20:27

ViaMargutta · 18/03/2024 20:24

Haha, naive at best. Most of the countries in EU don't even have benefits for non-citizens/residents. USA/Australia? Ha, good luck with that.

I'm from European country and there are no long-term benefits here. Or social housing. Three exceptions: 1) disabled people are paid a disability allowance and if their circs are really bad - can be housed, but social housing is EXTREMELY limited. 2) You'll get a 6 month stipend if you lost your job, to help you find another. 3) There's child benefit, about 100EU month for first two kids. That's it.

All the others (citizens or not) are expected to work, house/feed themselves and their kids. End of. It's not tax payers' responsibility to finance people's breeding or dumb lifestyle choices. If you can't take care of your kids - they'll be taken away from you. Don't want to work and rent - live under the bridge/die, no one cares.

Works fine. Don't see dead people in the streets, everyone works and build their lives. Most important, there are no feckless 'families' with countless sprogs because 'they want to' or 'it's their right' or 'an accident x 5' or some such bullshit. Folk have as many kids as they're able to support. As it should be.

Which country are you from? Your government knows how to run things. If only every other country could adopt the same policies.

cheshiregal31 · 18/03/2024 20:27

Prime example of delusion

x2boys · 18/03/2024 20:28

SloaneStreetVandal · 18/03/2024 20:22

The %'s are social housing, the figure on housing benefit is much lower in private rented, around 20%. Does getting a job first, and planning your family after, not seem a better idea?

Life does not always pan out how you anticipate it will ,i did all that has a job as a nurse ,bought [ well had a mortgage].my own property got married had my children and then my second child was born with severe and complex disabilities ,so here we are living in social housing supported by some benefits .

suburburban · 18/03/2024 20:30

ViaMargutta · 18/03/2024 20:24

Haha, naive at best. Most of the countries in EU don't even have benefits for non-citizens/residents. USA/Australia? Ha, good luck with that.

I'm from European country and there are no long-term benefits here. Or social housing. Three exceptions: 1) disabled people are paid a disability allowance and if their circs are really bad - can be housed, but social housing is EXTREMELY limited. 2) You'll get a 6 month stipend if you lost your job, to help you find another. 3) There's child benefit, about 100EU month for first two kids. That's it.

All the others (citizens or not) are expected to work, house/feed themselves and their kids. End of. It's not tax payers' responsibility to finance people's breeding or dumb lifestyle choices. If you can't take care of your kids - they'll be taken away from you. Don't want to work and rent - live under the bridge/die, no one cares.

Works fine. Don't see dead people in the streets, everyone works and build their lives. Most important, there are no feckless 'families' with countless sprogs because 'they want to' or 'it's their right' or 'an accident x 5' or some such bullshit. Folk have as many kids as they're able to support. As it should be.

If only the UK could do the same

Meowandthen · 18/03/2024 20:31

x2boys · 18/03/2024 20:02

The UK won't be over run but when you live in a poor area and see your area overcrowded and services being run down it can feel like it is .

Then stop voting Tory. That’s where blame lies for underfunded public services.

meemawww · 18/03/2024 20:32

Absolutely delusional thick fucks 😂

Meowandthen · 18/03/2024 20:33

Rainynight09 · 18/03/2024 20:27

Which country are you from? Your government knows how to run things. If only every other country could adopt the same policies.

Are you saying that you don’t want a welfare system to support people in need? Really?

vodkaredbullgirl · 18/03/2024 20:33

Never voted Torys ever and never will.

Arithmetictrick · 18/03/2024 20:35

Rainynight09 · 18/03/2024 20:27

Which country are you from? Your government knows how to run things. If only every other country could adopt the same policies.

Instead of leaving a passive-aggressive response, you opt for a passive-passive-aggressive response by ingeniously disguising it as a compliment. So sad.

Rainynight09 · 18/03/2024 20:38

Meowandthen · 18/03/2024 20:33

Are you saying that you don’t want a welfare system to support people in need? Really?

Does the comment I quoted say that that country does not help people in need? No, it does not. That country helps people, but there is a limit and so there should be. If works fine in that country, then why would it not work in the UK? People's sense of entitlement in the UK has gone too far.

Rainynight09 · 18/03/2024 20:40

Arithmetictrick · 18/03/2024 20:35

Instead of leaving a passive-aggressive response, you opt for a passive-passive-aggressive response by ingeniously disguising it as a compliment. So sad.

What now? I was agreeing with the poster! I was not being passive aggressive in the slightest.

Meowandthen · 18/03/2024 20:41

Rainynight09 · 18/03/2024 20:38

Does the comment I quoted say that that country does not help people in need? No, it does not. That country helps people, but there is a limit and so there should be. If works fine in that country, then why would it not work in the UK? People's sense of entitlement in the UK has gone too far.

Try again. I asked you a question to seek clarity as that’s what your post implied.

Savvysavermum · 18/03/2024 20:43

x2boys · 18/03/2024 20:28

Life does not always pan out how you anticipate it will ,i did all that has a job as a nurse ,bought [ well had a mortgage].my own property got married had my children and then my second child was born with severe and complex disabilities ,so here we are living in social housing supported by some benefits .

There is so much division in this country it seems a lot of people have been sucked in by Daily Mail headlines and unfortunately don’t understand that most claimants will be claiming for sound reasons.

There will still be people who regardless of what you could possibly say, will believe you took the risk of having a child so therefore it is your life choices that led to your circumstances and you could find somewhere wholly unsuitable to leave your child so you can work, that you should have had sufficient savings to account for all possibilities but you choose not to because you want an easy paid for life.
Which of course, is not the case. You are selfless and you are doing right by your family. People don’t always understand how lucky they are or how quickly their circumstances can change. Family carers in particular save the government significant sums.

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 18/03/2024 20:43

I don’t even think the original question, the title of the thread is about entitlement. I think it’s just rank stupidity

Rainynight09 · 18/03/2024 20:44

Meowandthen · 18/03/2024 20:41

Try again. I asked you a question to seek clarity as that’s what your post implied.

I want a government who helps people who genuinely need it, not a government who gives a free council house, rent and bills paid, to these families who have endless kids and then scrounge on benefits. If they knew they would have to pay for their kids themselves, I doubt they would have them then.

Edit: Don't you 'try again' me. Also, it seems in that country, people actually have to take responsibility for their lifestyle choices. In the UK, that does not seem to be the case.

TheGreenManalishiWithTheTwoProngedCrown · 18/03/2024 20:44

Nah that’s not really a prime example of anything.

...Apart from the folly of paying any attention to anything on social media.

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 18/03/2024 20:45

Isn’t child benefit capped at a certain number of kids now?

Papyrophile · 18/03/2024 20:47

Not convinced that it's privilege that a person doesn't need financial support from the state. Whatever happened to the idea that you get up early and go to work? Or that you organise your home set up before you have your family? I DO know that people are bereaved, in accidents and by illness.

I am 67, and mortgage free and I set up our pension in our 30s, so we have paid off our mortgage, and put money into our pension for the best part of 40 years, and worked (in fact still working but PT). And because we did all of those things, we shall continue to be tax payers for the foreseeable. And while we continue in decent health, we shan't even be a huge burden on the NHS.

My mortgage free home and comfortable pension do not arise from tax funded benefits, because those are all clawed back by the tax code. We end up with the bits we paid for personally. Of course we value the benefits of living in a civilised society, and I wouldn't have it any other way. But I do get a bit cross when it's privilege NOT to need public money to support your own family. Can we all suck from the public teat?

OooScotland · 18/03/2024 20:48

MealDeal1 · 18/03/2024 13:43

Nope was the US and Australia

😳🤣 Just very naive.

Some people genuinely just can’t see past ‘getting housed’ as a way to have somewhere to live, I think. I’ve never heard of anyone in that mindset seriously wanting to move abroad though.

swimsong · 18/03/2024 20:49

ntmdino · 18/03/2024 14:31

Well, it depends how you define "subsidised".

Around here, rent on the average 3-bed council house with two gardens and a substantial driveway is around £400/month. A similar house (read: identical, it's an ex-council house that's outside the 10 year post-purchase agreement), privately rented, is around £850-900/month.

Might not be directly subsidised, but it's heavily discounted. On top of that, there's the Right to Buy, which effectively works out as "most of what you pay in rent will go to a discount on the property if you decide to buy".

Council house rents are not "discounted".
Private rents are inflated because people are desperate and landlords are greedy.

EveryOtherNameTaken · 18/03/2024 20:49

meemawww · 18/03/2024 20:32

Absolutely delusional thick fucks 😂

Yep. Cloud cuckoo. 😏

maddiemookins16mum · 18/03/2024 20:51

Pure stupidity. They really do walk among us.

Meowandthen · 18/03/2024 20:51

Papyrophile · 18/03/2024 20:47

Not convinced that it's privilege that a person doesn't need financial support from the state. Whatever happened to the idea that you get up early and go to work? Or that you organise your home set up before you have your family? I DO know that people are bereaved, in accidents and by illness.

I am 67, and mortgage free and I set up our pension in our 30s, so we have paid off our mortgage, and put money into our pension for the best part of 40 years, and worked (in fact still working but PT). And because we did all of those things, we shall continue to be tax payers for the foreseeable. And while we continue in decent health, we shan't even be a huge burden on the NHS.

My mortgage free home and comfortable pension do not arise from tax funded benefits, because those are all clawed back by the tax code. We end up with the bits we paid for personally. Of course we value the benefits of living in a civilised society, and I wouldn't have it any other way. But I do get a bit cross when it's privilege NOT to need public money to support your own family. Can we all suck from the public teat?

Good for you but you do realise that bad things happen to good people?

Life throws curveballs at people in many ways; redundancy, illness, bereavement and so forth that derails the best plans.

If none of these have happened to you, you are fortunate.

Arithmetictrick · 18/03/2024 20:53

Rainynight09 · 18/03/2024 20:40

What now? I was agreeing with the poster! I was not being passive aggressive in the slightest.

You already posted a sneering comment that no one reacted to, and now you want to get the same message across, albeit in a very passive-aggressive way. So don't try to argue yourself out of this.

Rainynight09 · 18/03/2024 20:57

Arithmetictrick · 18/03/2024 20:53

You already posted a sneering comment that no one reacted to, and now you want to get the same message across, albeit in a very passive-aggressive way. So don't try to argue yourself out of this.

A sneering comment? When I implied people should pay their own way and not rely on the taxpayer? To argue myself out it would imply that I have said something wrong which I really haven't.