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To think that this is a prime example of the entitlement from some people in this country?

303 replies

MealDeal1 · 18/03/2024 13:31

Someone on a large FB group that I am on posted yesterday to say that they want to move abroad and gave examples of a couple of countries that they want to go to.

They then said that they live in council housing here so would need to be 'housed' over there and how do they go about getting housed?

Basically they wanted to move abroad and get given that country's equivalent of a council house/social housing on arrival.

AIBU to think this is the absolute height of entitlement?

OP posts:
DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 18/03/2024 19:46

SloaneStreetVandal · 18/03/2024 19:37

The majority of them are, given 65% of rented dwellings in England are on housing benefit. 70% in Wales and 60% in Scotland.

Politics/moral compasses/social consciences aside, the amount of money this country spends on welfare is completely unsustainable.

But then people moan if those in social housing have decently paid jobs 🤷‍♀️

Jc2001 · 18/03/2024 19:46

MILTOBE · 18/03/2024 13:41

Are those countries in Europe? If so, find out whether they voted for Brexit.

Even before brexit you couldn't just move to another EU country and get social housing at the drop of a hat.

Meowandthen · 18/03/2024 19:48

I live in forrin lands and it’s simply extraordinary how many people move here and are then annoyed that it’s not just like the UK with more sun.

People are ignorant.

x2boys · 18/03/2024 19:50

Yikes how embarrassing 🤣

ToWhitToWhoo · 18/03/2024 19:50

Redcar78 · 18/03/2024 19:07

It's 'their way', and tbh they're not really paying their way are they, they're being subsidised and helped.

And why shouldn't people be helped?

I agree that we can't just march into another country and demand that they look after us just because we would like it and we speak English; but some of the posts are getting to look like a sneer at everyone in social housing.

BoobyDazzler · 18/03/2024 19:51

Works the other way though doesn’t it. You’d be amazed how many people come here expecting to get housed, and are.

Meowandthen · 18/03/2024 19:53

BoobyDazzler · 18/03/2024 19:51

Works the other way though doesn’t it. You’d be amazed how many people come here expecting to get housed, and are.

Another Mail/Express reader.

The UK is not overrun with foreign benefit scroungers no matter what certain vile rags claim.

Rainynight09 · 18/03/2024 19:53

BoobyDazzler · 18/03/2024 19:51

Works the other way though doesn’t it. You’d be amazed how many people come here expecting to get housed, and are.

Why are they allowed to do that in the UK but not in other countries? Genuine question.

AnonymousUser6 · 18/03/2024 19:54

Meowandthen · 18/03/2024 19:53

Another Mail/Express reader.

The UK is not overrun with foreign benefit scroungers no matter what certain vile rags claim.

Where do you live?

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 18/03/2024 19:55

ToWhitToWhoo · 18/03/2024 19:50

And why shouldn't people be helped?

I agree that we can't just march into another country and demand that they look after us just because we would like it and we speak English; but some of the posts are getting to look like a sneer at everyone in social housing.

Always a sneer at social housing and usually by those who have nothing to do with it

Meowandthen · 18/03/2024 19:56

AnonymousUser6 · 18/03/2024 19:54

Where do you live?

That’s not your business.

The UK is not overrun. Fact.

BoobyDazzler · 18/03/2024 19:57

Meowandthen · 18/03/2024 19:53

Another Mail/Express reader.

The UK is not overrun with foreign benefit scroungers no matter what certain vile rags claim.

I’ve worked in housing for 15 years, I’d be surprised if I didn’t have more experience in this area than you.

AnonymousUser6 · 18/03/2024 19:59

Meowandthen · 18/03/2024 19:56

That’s not your business.

The UK is not overrun. Fact.

I’m curious because I’d like to move there if you don’t think it is overrun because my area certainly is!

SloaneStreetVandal · 18/03/2024 19:59

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 18/03/2024 19:46

But then people moan if those in social housing have decently paid jobs 🤷‍♀️

Ive never heard anyone in RL complain of that.
Its become the accepted norm that being a young working couple, thus able to afford full rent, are ruled out pretty much entirely of local authority housing (because people who can't afford rent, but have children, take priority).

redalex261 · 18/03/2024 20:01

Dumb as fuck is what it is.

x2boys · 18/03/2024 20:02

Meowandthen · 18/03/2024 19:56

That’s not your business.

The UK is not overrun. Fact.

The UK won't be over run but when you live in a poor area and see your area overcrowded and services being run down it can feel like it is .

suburburban · 18/03/2024 20:09

MIRAS was abolished circa 1988 and pushed all the prices up as people,rushed to buy together to get tax relief

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 18/03/2024 20:13

SloaneStreetVandal · 18/03/2024 19:59

Ive never heard anyone in RL complain of that.
Its become the accepted norm that being a young working couple, thus able to afford full rent, are ruled out pretty much entirely of local authority housing (because people who can't afford rent, but have children, take priority).

I meant people who have lived in their houses for years not those waiting

Kendodd · 18/03/2024 20:13

SloaneStreetVandal · 18/03/2024 19:37

The majority of them are, given 65% of rented dwellings in England are on housing benefit. 70% in Wales and 60% in Scotland.

Politics/moral compasses/social consciences aside, the amount of money this country spends on welfare is completely unsustainable.

I've got an idea!
A lot of those people will be working, paying high rent to private landlords and getting a HB 'top up'. How about we have a mass building programme of council housing? That way, people won't need the 'top up' because they'll be able to afford their rent. They might also have a bit more money to spend in the local economy.

Beezknees · 18/03/2024 20:17

Redcar78 · 18/03/2024 19:07

It's 'their way', and tbh they're not really paying their way are they, they're being subsidised and helped.

Yes, we are paying our way (I work full time get no housing benefit) if you think affordable housing is a problem and we should all accept ridiculously over inflated rents then I don't even know what to say.

Savvysavermum · 18/03/2024 20:20

SloaneStreetVandal · 18/03/2024 19:37

The majority of them are, given 65% of rented dwellings in England are on housing benefit. 70% in Wales and 60% in Scotland.

Politics/moral compasses/social consciences aside, the amount of money this country spends on welfare is completely unsustainable.

Given housing benefit is only for those of state pension age, or in temporary/sheltered housing, I highly doubt what you’ve said is true. If it was, we have seriously bigger issues at play.

Wage stagnation is the real issue. Most UC claims are by working people. The government is subsidising extremely poor wages that people cannot afford to live on.

SloaneStreetVandal · 18/03/2024 20:22

Kendodd · 18/03/2024 20:13

I've got an idea!
A lot of those people will be working, paying high rent to private landlords and getting a HB 'top up'. How about we have a mass building programme of council housing? That way, people won't need the 'top up' because they'll be able to afford their rent. They might also have a bit more money to spend in the local economy.

The %'s are social housing, the figure on housing benefit is much lower in private rented, around 20%. Does getting a job first, and planning your family after, not seem a better idea?

ViaMargutta · 18/03/2024 20:24

Haha, naive at best. Most of the countries in EU don't even have benefits for non-citizens/residents. USA/Australia? Ha, good luck with that.

I'm from European country and there are no long-term benefits here. Or social housing. Three exceptions: 1) disabled people are paid a disability allowance and if their circs are really bad - can be housed, but social housing is EXTREMELY limited. 2) You'll get a 6 month stipend if you lost your job, to help you find another. 3) There's child benefit, about 100EU month for first two kids. That's it.

All the others (citizens or not) are expected to work, house/feed themselves and their kids. End of. It's not tax payers' responsibility to finance people's breeding or dumb lifestyle choices. If you can't take care of your kids - they'll be taken away from you. Don't want to work and rent - live under the bridge/die, no one cares.

Works fine. Don't see dead people in the streets, everyone works and build their lives. Most important, there are no feckless 'families' with countless sprogs because 'they want to' or 'it's their right' or 'an accident x 5' or some such bullshit. Folk have as many kids as they're able to support. As it should be.

vodkaredbullgirl · 18/03/2024 20:25

Ouch

Savvysavermum · 18/03/2024 20:27

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 18/03/2024 19:17

Helped by whom? The jealousy and bitterness around social housing is off the scale. It’s your own fault if you can’t afford your mortgage.

Agree. People don’t realise how privileged they are to not need state support. It’s not just the here and now, the mortgage free homes and comfortable pensions in retirement are a huge benefit in themselves.

Rents are often more expensive than mortgages too.