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To think that this is a prime example of the entitlement from some people in this country?

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MealDeal1 · 18/03/2024 13:31

Someone on a large FB group that I am on posted yesterday to say that they want to move abroad and gave examples of a couple of countries that they want to go to.

They then said that they live in council housing here so would need to be 'housed' over there and how do they go about getting housed?

Basically they wanted to move abroad and get given that country's equivalent of a council house/social housing on arrival.

AIBU to think this is the absolute height of entitlement?

OP posts:
DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 18/03/2024 18:30

Loubelle70 · 18/03/2024 18:23

Exactly. And some feel they're entitled to judge people who are low income working class..like they deserve nothing. Sums this country up

Plus not all long term social housing residents are necessarily low income. No doubt that’ll start another pile-on

wurlycurly · 18/03/2024 18:32

I agree that it's entitled, and very naive, to move somewhere and assume there will social housing available. But plenty of people who live in council housing work and pay rent, there seems to be an assumption from some posters that everyone living in council housing is sponging.

Onceacheetah · 18/03/2024 18:33

I'm on some Irish council house swap sites and we often get British people looking to swap. They don't seem to understand we're a different country!

Kendodd · 18/03/2024 18:37

You still haven't said what she does for a living OP? Unless I've missed it. Do you know what she does? The US might be too difficult, but if she's in a skills shortage occupation, like a nurse, Australia might be a good prospect. Although I believe much of the country is undergoing its own housing crisis, don't know if it's as bad as ours though.

Alaina7 · 18/03/2024 18:37

Or whether she has a spouse with dual citizenship I suppose?

ntmdino · 18/03/2024 18:41

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 18/03/2024 18:27

It’s a way of subsiding mortgages by keeping interest rates low so that those that overstretched themselves didn’t lose their homes.

Honestly, this is actual comedy. "Making things cheaper" is not the same thing as "subsidy".

You could argue that the MIRAS programme was a form of subsidy, but that was abolished in 2000. Keeping interest rates low is nothing of the sort...because what is it relative to? What, exactly, was the starting zero point for your imaginary subsidy?

If you can't answer that simple question with an exact number, then you simply can't support your position.

user1567879654445 · 18/03/2024 18:43

Namechange3004 · 18/03/2024 14:41

Not the same everywhere -

Im in a 2 bed council flat my 'subsidised' rent is £840 per month, which i pay all of- Flat next door is on a private rent of £875.

In our village in the south east, my DD’s friend lives in a semi detached council 3 bed and pays £1300 the one next door is privately rented, recently advertised for £2225 a month, so a significant difference here.

NotQuiteNorma · 18/03/2024 18:43

MealDeal1 · 18/03/2024 13:31

Someone on a large FB group that I am on posted yesterday to say that they want to move abroad and gave examples of a couple of countries that they want to go to.

They then said that they live in council housing here so would need to be 'housed' over there and how do they go about getting housed?

Basically they wanted to move abroad and get given that country's equivalent of a council house/social housing on arrival.

AIBU to think this is the absolute height of entitlement?

Well plenty come here to do precisely that.

x2boys · 18/03/2024 18:51

user1567879654445 · 18/03/2024 18:43

In our village in the south east, my DD’s friend lives in a semi detached council 3 bed and pays £1300 the one next door is privately rented, recently advertised for £2225 a month, so a significant difference here.

We don't all live in London and the South East though .

x2boys · 18/03/2024 18:55

Onceacheetah · 18/03/2024 18:33

I'm on some Irish council house swap sites and we often get British people looking to swap. They don't seem to understand we're a different country!

And I'm on a British disability group and someone from the Republic of Ireland was asking about DLA ,
Some people might be ignorant but I think most people realise that the republic of Ireland is not part of the United Kingdom.

Rec0veringAcademic · 18/03/2024 19:00

Staringatthemoon · 18/03/2024 13:41

I worked in a European country local government office years ago. I was told that if you were in council accommodation in your own country you absolutely could request a transfer to another European council accommodation system. Whether it happens regularly and is feasible to do, I don’t know but the issue for most people here is that you would not leave a council property in for example London to move to one in Poland as whilst it would be cheaper so would your wages/benefits and relatively you wouldn’t benefit in the same way as someone coming from say Poland would by coming to London and earning London wages ( even though their rent here would be higher).

I thought BREXIT sorted this one out...

Honestly. I live in the EU. Move here as a British citizen expecting council accommodation, you'll be on a plane back within the hour.

Redcar78 · 18/03/2024 19:07

x2boys · 18/03/2024 13:55

Because people in council.housing don't pay there way ?

It's 'their way', and tbh they're not really paying their way are they, they're being subsidised and helped.

Wouldyouguess · 18/03/2024 19:14

They may just be very naive. And/or on the spectrum. I have a friend like this, a lot of things she simplifies liek this, almost daydreaming about some ideal life where everything works as she would wish. Or maybe it's just someone who has not travelled at all and hopes life aborad is so much nicer/easier without realising how hard you have to work for it- literally every contestant on the Life Down Under type of programmes.

NanFlanders · 18/03/2024 19:17

Redcar78 · 18/03/2024 19:07

It's 'their way', and tbh they're not really paying their way are they, they're being subsidised and helped.

While council/social housing may (typically) be cheaper than market rents, it's not actually subsidised. If you were not getting housing benefit, the Council would be making a profit on your rent.

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 18/03/2024 19:17

Redcar78 · 18/03/2024 19:07

It's 'their way', and tbh they're not really paying their way are they, they're being subsidised and helped.

Helped by whom? The jealousy and bitterness around social housing is off the scale. It’s your own fault if you can’t afford your mortgage.

Onceacheetah · 18/03/2024 19:21

x2boys · 18/03/2024 18:55

And I'm on a British disability group and someone from the Republic of Ireland was asking about DLA ,
Some people might be ignorant but I think most people realise that the republic of Ireland is not part of the United Kingdom.

You would be amazed!

Staringatthemoon · 18/03/2024 19:22

@Rec0veringAcademic

Now that we are post Brexit that would be the case but in the past, I think there was the principle at play that social housing was transferable across Europe. This may have been Poland-Germany for example and not realistic in the days of zloty and Deutschmarks. There was the option to transfer from Ireland to UK and vice versa as it was common travel area and part of the freedom of movement and work between the two countries.

Now, with Europe’s housing crisis and so many countries prioritising their own citizens first, I doubt any of it is possible and certainly not unless you are from within the system but it was possible as far as I know.

Kendodd · 18/03/2024 19:23

x2boys · 18/03/2024 18:55

And I'm on a British disability group and someone from the Republic of Ireland was asking about DLA ,
Some people might be ignorant but I think most people realise that the republic of Ireland is not part of the United Kingdom.

Who was at Tory MP who didn't? Was it Lee Anderson?

Thegoodbadandugly · 18/03/2024 19:25

hattie43 · 18/03/2024 13:38

I suppose if you've never had to pay your way you expect you'll always be subsidised, whether in this country or the next .

How on earth so you know if they have never paid their way? They could have lost their job and fallen on hard times, they could have got an illness and can't work, it could happen to you one day!

Soontobe60 · 18/03/2024 19:29

hattie43 · 18/03/2024 13:38

I suppose if you've never had to pay your way you expect you'll always be subsidised, whether in this country or the next .

Do you think people that live in council housing don’t ’pay their way’?

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 18/03/2024 19:35

Soontobe60 · 18/03/2024 19:29

Do you think people that live in council housing don’t ’pay their way’?

Course she thinks that. A lot of people think that. It’s an out-dated and old fashioned view shoved down throats by the Daily Mail and the like. Always got to be a section of society to pick on. Dangerous game plus ignorant as well

SloaneStreetVandal · 18/03/2024 19:37

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 18/03/2024 18:30

Plus not all long term social housing residents are necessarily low income. No doubt that’ll start another pile-on

The majority of them are, given 65% of rented dwellings in England are on housing benefit. 70% in Wales and 60% in Scotland.

Politics/moral compasses/social consciences aside, the amount of money this country spends on welfare is completely unsustainable.

Rainynight09 · 18/03/2024 19:41

She sounds incredibly entitled. England is a very generous country when it comes to welfare, free healthcare and council housing. Some countries would laugh in your face if you tried to scrounge off the taxpayer.

Edit: The social housing should be for permanent residents not just some couple who decided to move there and want to be housed.

ToWhitToWhoo · 18/03/2024 19:45

I think it's the height of ignorance; not necessarily entitlement. They probably know very little about other countries, and are indulging in daydreams.

It's unlikely that the US or Australia would let them move there permanently at all, let alone provide them with housing.

What would make it entitled as well as ignorant, would be if these same people moan about immigrants coming to the UK and 'living on benefits', 'taking our houses', etc.