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To think that this is a prime example of the entitlement from some people in this country?

303 replies

MealDeal1 · 18/03/2024 13:31

Someone on a large FB group that I am on posted yesterday to say that they want to move abroad and gave examples of a couple of countries that they want to go to.

They then said that they live in council housing here so would need to be 'housed' over there and how do they go about getting housed?

Basically they wanted to move abroad and get given that country's equivalent of a council house/social housing on arrival.

AIBU to think this is the absolute height of entitlement?

OP posts:
JenniferBooth · 18/03/2024 17:08

BluntFatball · 18/03/2024 16:22

I honestly thought this was going to turn into a thread about economic migrants expectations when coming to the UK.

Though I have noticed a gleeful snobbery in the UK towards poorer British people, especially towards their poor education (which reflects more on society and educational facilities failures imo).

But any poor, uneducated none British people are given much more compassion.

Its a trendy middle class thing, A bit Grazia

bows101 · 18/03/2024 17:15

Sounds like a typical Facebook post 😂

Beezknees · 18/03/2024 17:19

LauderSyme · 18/03/2024 16:00

Social housing is definitely subsidised. I worked for Local Authorities for years, including collecting rent payments for some of those years. Councils don't charge full market rent or anything like it. They usually charge about half of the Local Housing Allowance, which is the maximum Housing Benefit that private tenants can get.

For example, three years ago in my local area, a three bedroom council house was approx £110 per week. A similar house rented privately at that time was approx £250 per week.

The rents collected cover the costs that the Council incurs by being a landlord so it's not that Council Tax payers are subsidising tenants. But Councils don't seek to make any profit like private asset holders do.

Half of the local housing allowance? I find that hard to believe. LHA for a 2 bedroom in my area is around £570pm, my HA flat is £500pm.

BIossomtoes · 18/03/2024 17:23

LauderSyme · 18/03/2024 16:00

Social housing is definitely subsidised. I worked for Local Authorities for years, including collecting rent payments for some of those years. Councils don't charge full market rent or anything like it. They usually charge about half of the Local Housing Allowance, which is the maximum Housing Benefit that private tenants can get.

For example, three years ago in my local area, a three bedroom council house was approx £110 per week. A similar house rented privately at that time was approx £250 per week.

The rents collected cover the costs that the Council incurs by being a landlord so it's not that Council Tax payers are subsidising tenants. But Councils don't seek to make any profit like private asset holders do.

Make up your mind. Your first and penultimate sentences totally contradict each other. The first is incorrect, incidentally.

Pookerrod · 18/03/2024 17:37

Namechange3004 · 18/03/2024 14:41

Not the same everywhere -

Im in a 2 bed council flat my 'subsidised' rent is £840 per month, which i pay all of- Flat next door is on a private rent of £875.

Wow. I had no idea. I always assumed that council owned properties were more affordable than privately owned rentals.

Genuine question… then what is the benefit of having a council owned property then? Is it just down to security of having a home that you can’t get evicted from at the whim of a private landlord?

unsync · 18/03/2024 17:39

Nope, it strikes me as a lack of intellect if anything.

Beezknees · 18/03/2024 17:43

Pookerrod · 18/03/2024 17:37

Wow. I had no idea. I always assumed that council owned properties were more affordable than privately owned rentals.

Genuine question… then what is the benefit of having a council owned property then? Is it just down to security of having a home that you can’t get evicted from at the whim of a private landlord?

Yes.

ntmdino · 18/03/2024 17:50

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 18/03/2024 16:07

It was called quantative easing

Yes. Which isn't subsidisation, no matter how much you tie yourself in knots trying to it.

PlumbersWifey · 18/03/2024 17:54

Some people have never paid rent or council tax. I've had someone tell me they've never paid council tax and are exempt as they're British. Trying to get them to understand it's because they've never worked a day in their life, not because they're British, was tricky.

PlumbersWifey · 18/03/2024 17:56

Flopsythebunny · 18/03/2024 15:09

Do you think that council houses are rent free?

If you are not working then yes. My area covers full rent.

samarrange · 18/03/2024 17:59

MILTOBE · 18/03/2024 13:47

It's quite funny that they want to move to the US and live in social housing. Do they know how difficult it is to move there?

And do they know what US social housing estates are like? "I grew up on a council estate" in the UK means "My parents were not wealthy and the surroundings were a bit grim". "I grew up in the projects" in the US means "I know several people who have been shot, some of them by the police".

Bumblebeeinatree · 18/03/2024 18:03

MealDeal1 · 18/03/2024 13:43

Nope was the US and Australia

I think you would have to be something very special and then the accommodation you obviously wouldn't need it. These countries want people who contribute not those who cannot. Have you tried to get a visa?

x2boys · 18/03/2024 18:04

PlumbersWifey · 18/03/2024 17:56

If you are not working then yes. My area covers full rent.

But many people do pay full rent
And also there are many people in private renters who have their rent paid by housing benefits these threads go round and round in circles, there is a lot of ignorance about social.hosing mainly from those who don't actually live in them.

Babyroobs · 18/03/2024 18:07

I work on an advice helpline for older people. We had a young man enquire recently whether we could help him bring his elderly sick father over from india ( the old man had never lived or worked here), arrange for him to be admitted to a care home close by to him so he could visit and how could he get that all paid for. I was tempted to point out that as a country we can't even afford to pay for social care for our won elderly citizens. As other have said i think people have just got so used to everything being free that they get a bit carried away.

x2boys · 18/03/2024 18:07

PlumbersWifey · 18/03/2024 17:54

Some people have never paid rent or council tax. I've had someone tell me they've never paid council tax and are exempt as they're British. Trying to get them to understand it's because they've never worked a day in their life, not because they're British, was tricky.

Edited

Well them the people you have encountered must be spectacularly ignorant but that doesn't mean it's the majority.

TheFancyPoet · 18/03/2024 18:09

I'll send them to mine, if they want. LOL. They won't be given even a brick. Zero

pontipinemum · 18/03/2024 18:10

I have read very similar on a FB posts. So no I'm not surprised.

Beezknees · 18/03/2024 18:11

PlumbersWifey · 18/03/2024 17:56

If you are not working then yes. My area covers full rent.

Same for private rentals where the occupants don't work. It's not exclusive to social housing tenants.

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 18/03/2024 18:19

MealDeal1 · 18/03/2024 13:43

Nope was the US and Australia

Ask them if they plan to pop back to use the NHS too when they need HealthCare .

Hermione101 · 18/03/2024 18:20

Not entitled, just dumb. Ah yes, rich nations the world over are opening their doors for the UK’s undereducated and economically inactive 😂

Do they know the council houses in the US are projects? Welfare here and welfare over there are two different things.

Babyroobs · 18/03/2024 18:22

PlumbersWifey · 18/03/2024 17:54

Some people have never paid rent or council tax. I've had someone tell me they've never paid council tax and are exempt as they're British. Trying to get them to understand it's because they've never worked a day in their life, not because they're British, was tricky.

Edited

I had someone tell me the other day they thought they wouldn't have to pay council tax at all once they became a pensioner.

Loubelle70 · 18/03/2024 18:23

Redannie118 · 18/03/2024 13:50

It's ironic that entitlement only applies to working classes and not all the previous posters who assume you get handed a council house with a pot of gold and a goat. You need to pay rent. If the person who asked about moving countries was in standard rental property, would you have the same reaction?

Exactly. And some feel they're entitled to judge people who are low income working class..like they deserve nothing. Sums this country up

x2boys · 18/03/2024 18:24

Hermione101 · 18/03/2024 18:20

Not entitled, just dumb. Ah yes, rich nations the world over are opening their doors for the UK’s undereducated and economically inactive 😂

Do they know the council houses in the US are projects? Welfare here and welfare over there are two different things.

Again its one comment from one person on a group
I live in social housing I read and consider my self quite educated ,I'm well aware I can't just decide to go to America and I wil be given social hosing ,I'm slsi aware its even harder ro get there than it is here
Yes there might he one ignorant person who can't comprehend its not a recpricol thing but I doubt there are many

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 18/03/2024 18:27

ntmdino · 18/03/2024 17:50

Yes. Which isn't subsidisation, no matter how much you tie yourself in knots trying to it.

It’s a way of subsiding mortgages by keeping interest rates low so that those that overstretched themselves didn’t lose their homes.

Beezknees · 18/03/2024 18:28

Hermione101 · 18/03/2024 18:20

Not entitled, just dumb. Ah yes, rich nations the world over are opening their doors for the UK’s undereducated and economically inactive 😂

Do they know the council houses in the US are projects? Welfare here and welfare over there are two different things.

What a snobby post. You assume people who live in social housing are economically inactive? Guess my full time job is irrelevant then.