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To think that this is a prime example of the entitlement from some people in this country?

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MealDeal1 · 18/03/2024 13:31

Someone on a large FB group that I am on posted yesterday to say that they want to move abroad and gave examples of a couple of countries that they want to go to.

They then said that they live in council housing here so would need to be 'housed' over there and how do they go about getting housed?

Basically they wanted to move abroad and get given that country's equivalent of a council house/social housing on arrival.

AIBU to think this is the absolute height of entitlement?

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Tatumm · 18/03/2024 14:57

MealDeal1 · 18/03/2024 13:31

Someone on a large FB group that I am on posted yesterday to say that they want to move abroad and gave examples of a couple of countries that they want to go to.

They then said that they live in council housing here so would need to be 'housed' over there and how do they go about getting housed?

Basically they wanted to move abroad and get given that country's equivalent of a council house/social housing on arrival.

AIBU to think this is the absolute height of entitlement?

There’s no such thing as ‘council housing’ It’s social housing. HTH

x2boys · 18/03/2024 15:03

IncompleteSenten · 18/03/2024 14:59

Depending on area some places still.have Council housing ,some places have purely housing association housing and some have a mixture .

Alaina7 · 18/03/2024 15:04

Have they said that they hope to contribute to Australia or the US? Why do they think they’d be wanted?

CaramelMac · 18/03/2024 15:05

I think it shows that half of people have below average intelligence and you just found one of them.

It’ll be the same sort of person who applies for a loan with my company and when I ask them for ID they say I haven’t got any and are shocked when I tell them if they want the loan they’ll have to go and get some ID, and yes it may inconvenience them or even cost them some money, but I can’t just take their word that they are who they say they are.

MealDeal1 · 18/03/2024 15:06

@Tatumm I did say social housing in my post. Maybe read the whole post?

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Oooodlesandoodles · 18/03/2024 15:08

Wonder if that person has considered what they have to offer the countries they’d like to move to and be accommodated by.

YANBU

Flopsythebunny · 18/03/2024 15:09

hattie43 · 18/03/2024 13:38

I suppose if you've never had to pay your way you expect you'll always be subsidised, whether in this country or the next .

Do you think that council houses are rent free?

EcstaticMarmalade · 18/03/2024 15:11

Did they, aye?

Tatumm · 18/03/2024 15:11

MealDeal1 · 18/03/2024 15:06

@Tatumm I did say social housing in my post. Maybe read the whole post?

No I can’t be bothered. Challenge them directly on Facebook if this is even real.

vodkaredbullgirl · 18/03/2024 15:12

Flopsythebunny · 18/03/2024 15:09

Do you think that council houses are rent free?

Now wouldn't that be nice, goes with the free goat too.

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 18/03/2024 15:15

x2boys · 18/03/2024 14:21

Not always ,and even if it is cheaper it's sometimes not massively cheaper
And whilst this may blow your mind many people in social.housing pay their own rent
Also many private renters also get housing benefit.

Yep. The same old misinformed shite trotted out that social housing = benefits. Once more: not all social housing tenants are in receipt of benefits. Most work and pay the rent

Bumpitybumper · 18/03/2024 15:16

Flopsythebunny · 18/03/2024 15:09

Do you think that council houses are rent free?

There is a difference between paying your way and something being free. Paying your way implies that you are covering all costs associated with the housing your are living in.

A thread earlier this week proved that social housing is indeed subsidised. The operating costs may often be covered by the rent charged but the state often helps with the capital needed to build the properties. Considering most people with a mortgage know all too well about the cost of capital when they pay the interest each month, it's fair to say that social housing is heavily subsidised and anyone living it isn't quite 'paying their way'.

MealDeal1 · 18/03/2024 15:16

@Tatumm yes it is real and I am happy to tell people the name of the FB group via PM if they want to know

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MealDeal1 · 18/03/2024 15:17

And yes I agree with those that say social housing is subsidised

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DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 18/03/2024 15:17

kitsuneghost · 18/03/2024 14:31

Nobody said they didn't pay rent. Of course everyone pays rent. But some on very low incomes can get help

Mortgage holders got help for years with artificially low interest rates. That’s a subsidy

Alcyoneus · 18/03/2024 15:20

Unfortunately these freeloaders have milked the system so much, the system is running dry here. Generations upon generations of lazy people with no intention to ever support themselves, just leech off other people.

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 18/03/2024 15:22

Bumpitybumper · 18/03/2024 15:16

There is a difference between paying your way and something being free. Paying your way implies that you are covering all costs associated with the housing your are living in.

A thread earlier this week proved that social housing is indeed subsidised. The operating costs may often be covered by the rent charged but the state often helps with the capital needed to build the properties. Considering most people with a mortgage know all too well about the cost of capital when they pay the interest each month, it's fair to say that social housing is heavily subsidised and anyone living it isn't quite 'paying their way'.

Not paying their way? How? Private renters cost the UK more in benefits because the rents are higher. Those with mortgages have been heavily subsidised by low interest rates. Pick pick pick. Go and petition for the wealthiest companies to pay all the taxes they should. Bet you know someone who employs an accountant to make sure they don’t pay full tax because of all the loopholes there are out there.

ntmdino · 18/03/2024 15:23

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 18/03/2024 15:17

Mortgage holders got help for years with artificially low interest rates. That’s a subsidy

That's daft, and not how the banking system works. There was no subsidy, prices were just low because they were linked to interest rates (which is linked to many things, but not subsidisation).

Unless, of course, you think that everybody's food and utility bills were also being subsidised, since prices were low there too.

Thedogscollar · 18/03/2024 15:23

I'd say that's a prime example of naivety and stupidity.

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 18/03/2024 15:27

ntmdino · 18/03/2024 15:23

That's daft, and not how the banking system works. There was no subsidy, prices were just low because they were linked to interest rates (which is linked to many things, but not subsidisation).

Unless, of course, you think that everybody's food and utility bills were also being subsidised, since prices were low there too.

The Bank of England kept the interest rates artificially low. I’m not talking about other bills etc

Kendodd · 18/03/2024 15:30

Staringatthemoon · 18/03/2024 13:41

I worked in a European country local government office years ago. I was told that if you were in council accommodation in your own country you absolutely could request a transfer to another European council accommodation system. Whether it happens regularly and is feasible to do, I don’t know but the issue for most people here is that you would not leave a council property in for example London to move to one in Poland as whilst it would be cheaper so would your wages/benefits and relatively you wouldn’t benefit in the same way as someone coming from say Poland would by coming to London and earning London wages ( even though their rent here would be higher).

I don't think that's true anymore.
The Financial Times did the numbers on this. The poorest 20% of people in Poland (and about seven other Eastern European countries) are now better off than the poorest 20% in the UK. They may earn less, but their costs are a lot less (rent, taxes etc) leaving them better off than poor people here. If the trajectory continues, the bottom 50% of people in Poland (and the other places) will be better off than the bottom 50% in the UK by 2030.
We voted for this!

Bumpitybumper · 18/03/2024 15:32

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 18/03/2024 15:22

Not paying their way? How? Private renters cost the UK more in benefits because the rents are higher. Those with mortgages have been heavily subsidised by low interest rates. Pick pick pick. Go and petition for the wealthiest companies to pay all the taxes they should. Bet you know someone who employs an accountant to make sure they don’t pay full tax because of all the loopholes there are out there.

You seem to be writing your own narrative here with blatant lies.

A third of households that privately rent claim housing benefit whilst two thirds of those that rent social housing claim. The rent that private renters pay is often taxed as income for those landlords in a way that social housing rent isn't. Social housing is expensive for the country and this is why it is a limited resource. If it genuinely paid its way in all regards then there would be a lot more of it around.

Mortgages have never been subsidised by the government. Mortgage holders benefited for many years from low interest rates in the same way that anyone that took out credit has. Now interest rates are higher they are not being penalised by the government either but simply paying the 'going rate'.

What does taxation of corporation's or rich people have to do with whether social housing is subsidised or not? Why does this have to be mentioned on every thread about someone not paying their way? It's such a lazy argument that nobody has to worry about paying their way unless everybody else is doing this. I wonder if you would teach your children this moral when taking about other aspects of life.

Kendodd · 18/03/2024 15:33

Do you know what this person does for a living?

DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 18/03/2024 15:33

You think what you like. Leave my children out of your replies.