To think that Labour have just shot themselves in the foot?

[Redrosetat]

https://twitter.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1768647056111861760?s=19&t=wqgtbWPG_X1xZDMhuF871A

‘Just now Labour MPs prevented debate on a new law to protect children and single sex spaces.

Instead they used parliamentary time to discuss ferret name choices.

@Keir_Starmer is terrified of debate on safeguarding & his MPs actively work to ignore the concerns of constituents’

Anti-trans activists are the feminist version of Tommy Robinson and Lawrence Fox.

We don't want any man in women's toilets, even the nice ones, even the ones who identify as trans women.

This is to protect the safety and dignity of women.

Women matter, we exist.

Our role is not to act as props/ validation or protection for a group of males.

Sure. Women who pro sex based rights do tend to threaten males who want access for some reason. Just for saying no.

We’re aware of how much it provokes. They spend enough time attacking women, threatening and using violence when women dare to speak up

It was on both sides of the floor, and on both sides this was reprehensible parliamentary conduct. I am so enraged by this that I've decided to join Kellie-Jay Keen's Party Of Women (despite some of my misgivings about her approach, as I am a Socialist). You can do so here if you like:

https://www.partyofwomen.org/

I'm convinced the people who start these threads here are just looking for an excuse to vote tory.

Only much more annoying. A movement by predominantly privileged white women.

@izimbra you make a good point about gender checkers. I mean, how is this going to work? The moment someone walks in looking a bit androgynous, you've got trouble. I mean, I've been mistaken for a man when dressed a certain way and I'm XX all the way. I can see privacy lawsuits and other disasters looming.

Are you for self ID, males in female sports and puberty blockers for dc?

Or males could just stay out.

Women are saying we need single sex spaces for dignity and safety.

In the light of that decent males would stay out.

Males who respect women would stay out.

That’s the $64k question and nobody has an answer to it.

@lifeturnsonadime just answered it. It’s not hard.

It’s a nonsense distraction to talk about females who are androgynous

Oh dear I think you're confused.

It is mostly vulnerable women who are harmed by the removal of single sex spaces.

It is gender ideology that is the privileged belief which is why it is an phenomenon found mostly in the Western/ Developed world.

Notice how women/ girls in the developing world can't use gender to opt into the benefits of being male such as education. I wonder why that might be? But then even here the rules of primogeniture can't be circumvented by a woman identifying as a trans man.

One might consider this to be men's rights activism, if you really think about it.

Women don't get stand to gain, we lose words and rights in favour of males. There is literally nothing in it for women. Not one thing. Yet we shouldn't even talk about it.

You have misconstrued what I said.

Apologies if I have, but I've read back and can't see what I have misconstrued.

What are you saying is 'a movement by predominantly privileged women', if it is not women who are objecting to the removal of the safeguarding of women and children?

That women need to say ok to males in their sports and allow males access wherever just because some women have short hair and wear jeans or whatever is the androgynous element has to be the most bizarre reason yet.

My comment was directed as part of the conversation describing the anti trans movement - it’s predominantly occupied by WW.

GC and anti trans are two different things, although I’ve yet to met someone who was anti trans and not also GC.

So can you see the conflict between what the trans activists want (the removal of single sex spaces and sports) and what is needed for the safeguarding and the dignity of women from all males?

Can you see the conflict with regards to the safeguarding of vulnerable children who are questioning their gender?

Can you see that women who are saying no to all males (including the ones who identify as trans women) being in single sex spaces is necessary to safeguard women in vulnerable situations , such as women's shelters and prisons from males who might harm them, are not saying this because we hold bigoted beliefs, but because trans women are male and offend at the same rate as any other males?

This is not because of being anti - trans, it is because we want to put women and vulnerable children first.

That’s irrelevant to my point.

It's not though, you posted on here in response to a trans activist that women who are 'anti trans' hold privileged beliefs.

I am asking you what you consider to be anti -trans?

i am asking you if you can see the conflict between the demands of that poster and the safeguarding of women and children?

I am still not clear what point you were trying to make.

Which beliefs that women who are 'anti - trans' hold do you believe are privileged?

I didn’t say it was a privileged belief, I said it was a movement dominated by privileged white women.

Out of interests which women are you referring to here?

What are their 'anti-trans' views?

@IanCurtisdancing I do apologise for the fact that I thought you meant the views themselves were privileged rather than the women who hold the views are privileged.

I would have thought though that the fact that privileged women are concerned about the welfare of women who are less privileged than them is commendable though. Why is it a bad thing?

I think a great example purely because we are guaranteed a post at least once a month is when people compare blackface to trans or drag.

when black womens say “hey, don’t use our trauma to make your point” they are talked over and shut down. The threads end up veing zapped pretty much every time. Weve also had white feminists crash onto the black mumsnetter board several times to argue a GC point despite being told the space is not for them. Which is ironic.

white feminism is a problem in itself.

See also: white saviour complex

I too have joined! 💪