To think that Labour have just shot themselves in the foot?

[Redrosetat]

https://twitter.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1768647056111861760?s=19&t=wqgtbWPG_X1xZDMhuF871A

‘Just now Labour MPs prevented debate on a new law to protect children and single sex spaces.

Instead they used parliamentary time to discuss ferret name choices.

@Keir_Starmer is terrified of debate on safeguarding & his MPs actively work to ignore the concerns of constituents’

It may well not @ilovesooty but does that not mean that we should be letting prospective MPs know we are not satisfied with what is happening in the name of 'gender'?

Absolutely this

Why not do that then? Tell Labour MPs and candidates what you think. Do something constructive instead of perpetually posting on MN.

And while you’re about it let Tory MPs know how upset you are about the myriad of their policies that damage women.

Ha at this.

Do you feel your posts are helping women or children?

You seem the most committed to working against safeguarding.

It’s also a strange one because mn lets posters ignore threads or hide them and yet here pp are each time

Exactly the opposite. Of all the issues that harm and damage women this is very close to the bottom of the list. Every cut in funding public services is another blow to safeguarding and I care passionately about that.

I have written to my local conservative MP quite a few times about this issue. Why on earth would you suppose I wouldn't? Conservatives are in power at the moment.

I have just written to my local labour candidate too as I would like to know their views on this in the run up to a local election too, even though it is quite unlikely they will get in in a Tory stronghold but I might vote for them if I am happy with their answer.

Do you really think that posters who advocate on mumnset for awareness of these issues limit our activities to Mumsnet?

How peculiar?

It's a bit like you assuming no one in the real world cares, contrary to the fact that many either aren't aware or if they fully understand the issues they do care.

@lifeturnsonadime it’s an odd one when posters claim not to want to read on this topic yet they post a fair bit on all these threads

I appreciate your posts don’t worry about the attempt to push you off

My Tory MP knows me well because I frequently write on a load of issues.

That's what a lot of politically active people do.

My previous tory MP was a better local MP than the current one, but the current one does respond and has helped me with some local / personal issues.

I

Thanks.
It's blinkered thinking. We're either socks or bots in the minds of some posters.

Which is strange really. Women are capable of being concerned about more than one issue at once!

Women are capable of being concerned about more than one issue at once!

Indeed. So why only focus on one?

You’re too reasoned and make good points

Sod them trying to get you off the site when they post so much on the topic they could hide if so uninterested

This is a thread about this issue.

So it's hardly surprising that on this thread I focus on this issue.

This issue happens to be important because I think that women need single sex spaces for safeguarding and dignity reasons and I am concerned about children with gender issues as I have parented one!

I think it is quite absurd that you are telling me what I may or may not expend my energy on.

I know, because I've come across your posts on other threads, that you don't have the same priorities that I do. That's fine by me. We're all different.

But some of the issues with the clash between gender and safeguarding is that we haven't been allowed to talk about it until very recently.

I am not going to shut up about it because you don't care and would rather I don't speak out because reasons, which in your case don't appear to be limited to the fact that you are a Labour voter.

This is rather like those MPs who filerbustered yesterday, anything to avoid talking about these issues!

Jesus wept.

That’s because this thread is not about how horrible we know the Tories are.

It’s about what the hell the Labour Party (which I and many of us here supported till they dumped women’ rights) is doing.

I expect we’ll soon have a Labour government. And unlike 1997, I don’t think many of us will be cheering and dancing or spraying fizzy wine around.

Can I ask why?

i mean, could they actually get any worse with what the Tories have done with sex based rights?

what about all the other things they can improve that still benefit women?

'Safeguarding' 🙄Are you not going to acknowledge that most people will never even knowingly even spend a minute of their time in the same room as a trans person, let alone a predatory trans person, because there are vanishingly few of them in existence?

On statistical terms they can't be a huge threat to women and children.

There simply aren't enough of them.

Whereas ALL 38 million women and children are impacted by inadequate access to essential healthcare and a crumbling criminal justice system - both of which are the outcomes of 14 years of Conservative policy.

It's absolutely f*cking bonkers to vote to chuck the entire population of women and children under a bus to scratch your 'we need to crush transwomen under our heels' itch

How do you not understand yet?

If you let in anyone that says they are a woman, you let in ANY man.
Think about the worst man you've ever met, well now he can get changed next to you and claim he's a woman and there's nothing you can do about it.
He doesn't need to do anything to himself, just think the thought that he's a woman.

Roll your eyes all you want not everyone wants the gender ideology you are pushing.

From puberty blockers to males in female sports it’s a no.

"Roll your eyes all you want not everyone wants the gender ideology you are pushing.

From puberty blockers to males in female sports it’s a no."

Nobody is forcing you to be transgender.

If you let in anyone that says they are a woman, you let in ANY man.
Think about the worst man you've ever met, well now he can get changed next to you and claim he's a woman and there's nothing you can do about it.
He doesn't need to do anything to himself, just think the thought that he's a woman.

This brings to mind these dreadful posters popping up in what used to be women's toilets in universities.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-47213433

What a message to give our young women. It's literally telling them that they can't have normal safeguarding because men might want to be in there and that's OK because those men might identify as trans.

Women and girls have been attacked by males claiming to be trans women in what should be single sex spaces.

If you can't see the issues with this then women's safeguarding really doesn't matter to you.

I’m fairly aware of that. I still prefer single sex spaces and a stop of drugs that harm dc.

You might want males competing with women and puberty blockers for dc but not everyone does. And it’s women that males want access to as validation. You’ll need our consent.

These posters are insanity

What adult thought that was a good idea to enforce this on young women?

"How do you not understand yet?

If you let in anyone that says they are a woman, you let in ANY man."

Let in where?

Are you talking about toilets/changing rooms?

You think if we don't pass laws to ban trans women from women's spaces (and presumably have these laws policed by gender checkers on the doors) we'll have predatory cis gender men capitalising on this by constantly pushing into women's spaces to assault women under the guise of 'I'm allowed to do this because I identify as a woman'?

Because predatory cisgender men pretending to be trans to predate on women has been a significant problem up to this point?

This reminds me of 'we need to stop immigration from Muslim countries because otherwise the UK will soon be overflowing with Muslims forcing sharia on us, and gang raping children all over the place.

Of course no one is forcing women to be trans gender.

Some of the behaviours towards children, often vulnerable autistic or gay children is questionable, some might say akin to grooming in the light of the Cass report which points out that most children grow out of feelings of being the wrong gender post puberty.

I question anyone who thinks that puberty blockers are appropriate for gender non conforming children in the light of the Cass review and the leaks Wpath files.

In whose interests is it for children to be harmed by these drugs? And they are harmed. The evidence is there. This is in spite of the fact that we KNOW that most children who experience gender distress pre-puberty grow out of it.