To think that Labour have just shot themselves in the foot?

[Redrosetat]

https://twitter.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1768647056111861760?s=19&t=wqgtbWPG_X1xZDMhuF871A

‘Just now Labour MPs prevented debate on a new law to protect children and single sex spaces.

Instead they used parliamentary time to discuss ferret name choices.

@Keir_Starmer is terrified of debate on safeguarding & his MPs actively work to ignore the concerns of constituents’

Always staggered that transphobes would happily vote for the Conservative government whose policies are pushing women into deep poverty, keeping many in abusive relationships because of punitive welfare policies and failure to build social housing, and trashing women's access to essential healthcare. JUST SO THE 0.2% OF THE POPULATION THAT ARE TRANSWOMEN CAN BE LEGISLATED OUT OF EXISTENCE

All of which suggests you lot are obsessed and utterly f*cking bonkers on this issue.

It means that some people think a ‘transwoman’ is a woman that is transitioning to present as a man.

Hence they don’t know (and understandably so because it is counterintuitive) that trans women are actually biological males.

A few years ago, when the terms started being used more often, this is also what I thought.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/06/third-of-britons-dont-know-trans-women-born-male/

Safeguarding including children and discussing women’s rights isn’t ‘fucking bonkers’ even if you shout it.

@izimbra I'm staggered you can't see that when gatekeeping is removed and anyone can self ID, it won't be 0.2% of the population.
You are ignoring the women who have been harmed in countries that allow self ID.

What a load of hyperbolic nonsense.

No one is saying trans people don't exist. Of course they exist. Given that only 0.2 of the population is trans identifying it seems a disproportionate number of trans identifying males are harming women and children in what should be single sex spaces, or doesn't that matter so much to you?

This is about women's rights and protecting children from harm.

Calling women who want reasonable safeguarding from harm for ourselves and for children 'bonkers' is a great touch though. How dare we want safeguarding hey?

Are there any stats on % of population self id-ing in those countries that have adopted it?

I think that poster shows quite well the emotive and angry pressure Labour will be facing should they get in

Even Labour are criticising Labour now. What a mess.

Are there any stats on % of population self id-ing in those countries that have adopted it?

No, stats can no longer be kept with any accuracy. And every time someone who supports self ID asks this question, you reveal that you don't understand what you are supporting.

Are you aware of what's going on in Spain at the moment, with the soldiers, and other males who are identifying as trans because they can?

There's talk of litigation by the Spanish equivalent of Stonewall because some men are taking the piss. The problem is it's going to be very difficult to sue because there is, as far as I can tell, no definition of trans or woman.

So predictable really. An utter farce.

I didn't say whether or not I support self id. Don't assume things.

No, I didn't know that. Thanks, will have a read.

Interesting to see the proportion of posters agreeing with you OP.
74% think YANBU.

It’s not exactly a large sample. I also suspect there may be multiple account holders who skew the voting.

@lifeturnsonadime - my point is that whatever the high levels of engagement on this on FWR or say on the bill, the majority of evidence shows transgenderism does not engage women voters enough for them yet to not vote Labour. The vote is growing.

Now you can infer or suggest that Labour will go much further once in government. But that is just opinion. Women overall are more likely to vote Labour than men, they are more likely to cite concerns about schooling, health and public services than men as the reason. They are often more focussed on these things because of their children.

Now if I was a Conservative staffer I would say the approach they have is unlikely to succeed as it means a sea change in the overall perception in the importance of women's rights in society. They won't manage that. They can and have managed to get some small policy changes for children. And I think they won't manage any more than that.

Ha at claim it’s multiple account holders

I've certainly seen posts from people saying that they'll vote Conservative "because they know what a woman is".

I see no one yet has said what they will do if Mordaunt is installed as Conservative Party leader before the election, as has been mentioned.

Didn’t you know there are only 6 women who actually care about women’s single sex spaces and harms to gender confused children?

the rest of us are socks🙄

There are some on here who are very vocal about women's spaces and passionate about the issue. I've yet to be convinced that it holds equal importance for the wider electorate when making their decision about how to vote.

You know safeguarding also means funding our social services, our schools, primary health care facillities, police etc properly? The Tories have massively cut the funding to local councils who in turn have had to cut these services since 2010? Every single CP Report into a Child who has been murdered at the hands of their parents mentions issues with resources and a workers have heavy caseloads. It is the same with Adult Protection Inquiries. Ask any Health Visitor what her case load is like . They are often the first point who see a young child ( those most vulnerable to abuse). Most health visitors don't get the chance to see children for any length of time these days as all their services have been cut and they are run ragged. We need this network of supports up and running again for children and their parents/carers, including nursing provisions, Sure Start. All linked up. That is safe guarding . Same with older children and teenagers. School Nurse etc No not the nanny state. Basic safeguarding and early healthcare/healh education/youth services. This has all been cut under the Tories. That is where we reduce the need for safeguarding instead of firefighting with a water pistol which is what workers are doing just now.

That doesn’t mean women are not impacting politicians otherwise you’d still have full on self ID instead of Labour trying to hide from being up front.

As much as some post no one cares at every opportunity other women are helping change policy.

Yes, it’s heartening. I hope Labour are listening.

Exactly. Not sure if it’s pitiful or purposeful that people don’t realise this. Probably both.

Desperate! 😂

other women are helping change policy

So what have they actually achieved? Oh I forgot. Kemi is mulling it over. Are these women interested in directing their energies towards all the things @Casperthecheeky mentioned that actually impact people's, particularly women's, daily lives?