To think that Labour have just shot themselves in the foot?

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https://twitter.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1768647056111861760?s=19&t=wqgtbWPG_X1xZDMhuF871A

‘Just now Labour MPs prevented debate on a new law to protect children and single sex spaces.

Instead they used parliamentary time to discuss ferret name choices.

@Keir_Starmer is terrified of debate on safeguarding & his MPs actively work to ignore the concerns of constituents’

This comes across as patronising.

Most women will be well aware of the debates that have raged. It would be hard to miss them, especially if you are on SM. We all have the wit to weigh up whether or not it is the deciding factor in casting our vote. For most women, it isn't.

What are they going to do if the Tories get rid of Sunak and install Mordaunt in his place? There has been a suggestion that this might be a possibility..

Yes it was a sad sight to see. However, I am voting Labour as we have the highest rate of maternal mortality for Black and working class women in Western Europe and our 5 years olds are several inches shorter than they were ten years ago. We have an NHS that is fucked and all evidence shows that these indictors of health and quality of life for a country's citizens' go up when Labour are in power and go down when the Tories are in power convince me that we have to get the Tories out. I am not the biggest fan of gender ideology, (I don't hate trans people btw, despite what some may think)in fact I'm probably what you call a terf. However, I believe everyone needs decent free health care , education , affordable housing and enough to eat , so I'll take my chances with Mr Starmer and co. Do not be fooled that the Tories give a damn about the safeguarding of women and children . Look what has been happening while they have been in power! Housing is also a feminist issue!!!

The percentage of the people intending to vote Reform doubled in three months. They have a bigger share of the polling than the Lib Dems.

It explains why the Tories can't go for a centre vote. They are having their vote being taken away from the centre and the hard right. It is explains their mess on Hester. They cannot decide what they want to be. And that is on their appalling leader who so weak.

Do you have a link to that article please?

Because I think it might be that some people think trans woman = a woman that has transitioned to male and that trans man = a man that has transitioned to a woman. As opposed to not understanding at all what trans means.

I could be wrong, so would appreciate a link.

Yes that may be so but they don't actually advocate shooting women like some Tory supporters. I'd rather share a lavatory than be shot thanks.

Why don't you read what I have actually said before wading in? That's how debate and discussion usually works.

The rise of Reform is similar to within the EU and parties to the right

It was always on the cards with migration issues rising. I could see it being the case a while back.

Our voting system is different though.

It’ll keep rising until international law gets too strained

A labour / lib dem coalition would be fresh hell for women's rights and the safeguarding of children from the harms of trans health 'care'.

Well quite

Yes I fear this the most.

Apologies.

I have now read all of your other posts.

I think you will be disappointed in your hope that Labour won't get a big majority.

The rest of my post still stands. Sunak gone. Mordaunt new leader.

The only link I could find not behind a paywall - feel free to ignore of course.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12379423/More-Brits-not-know-transgender-women-biologically-male-poll-finds.html

I did not express that hope. I merely stated that this is what I thought would happen.

I didn’t say that.

No it’s not? Every time there’s a thread about voting there are always dozens of people stating it.

I think this is interesting, there are no benefits to women for the removal of single sex spaces for women.

Many women are mothers, you would think that women would be horrified that the Labour Party is seeking to ban so - called conversion therapy (which amounts to talking therapy) for gender confused children. Especially in the light of the Cass review and the WPath files which demonstrate that most children grow out of gender confusion post puberty, that most gender confused children have other vulnerabilities such as autism, or are gay/ lesbians. Why on earth would people want to ban therapies for these children?

So is that that women en-mass don't care about these things? Or is it that they don't understand the issues fully?

I'd like to think it is the latter.

So perhaps this is why Labour don't want to discuss this things, or call women bigots for wanting to talk about these things?

We need to talk about these things so that people know what the situation is. This doesn't mean that people will deflect and vote Tory, necessarily, they haven't done enough by any means to reverse the harms caused whilst they have been in power. But it might make women ask questions.

There is a reason that the activists wanted no -debate. Thankfully we are not in that position anymore. So why don't the Labour party want to discuss this?

Women are speaking up over those things ie safeguarding

What were you referring to when you said ‘this shit?’

Which dozen's of people on this thread have said they will vote Tory. I don't think I've seen anyone say that?

Or are you making things up?

you could try reading the quote?

this shit I was referring to, was single issue voting to a party that is responsible for the breakdown of single sex rights and spaces purely for the fact Labour do not oppose it.

Thanks. Despite the headlines of 35% of people not knowing that trans women weren't born women, the findings were:

A survey has found that 35 per cent of people incorrectly believe that a 'transgender woman' is someone who is female from birth, or that they were unclear on terms such as 'transgender woman' or ' trans woman '

Maybe they fear that it does actually matter. Or they have ties to lobbyists driving policy.

Otherwise they’d be plain and upfront

So much energy is expended by Labour and supporters in avoiding the topic. They are doing that for a reason

And this misunderstanding and lack of knowledge is why the activists have got away with so much for so long.

Can't understand what they have against women and children. Surely this is common sense. Why not support it?

How much? And for how long? This is the kind of baseless generalisation that makes any kind of debate on the subject well nigh impossible.