To think that Labour have just shot themselves in the foot?

[Redrosetat]

https://twitter.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1768647056111861760?s=19&t=wqgtbWPG_X1xZDMhuF871A

‘Just now Labour MPs prevented debate on a new law to protect children and single sex spaces.

Instead they used parliamentary time to discuss ferret name choices.

@Keir_Starmer is terrified of debate on safeguarding & his MPs actively work to ignore the concerns of constituents’

The reason I could never vote Labour is (apart from David Lammy calling women who wanted to uphold existing sex-based rights ‘dinosaurs’) is Keir Starmer’s disgraceful treatment of Rosie Duffield. EVEN if he disagreed with every word she said, he should have openly condemned the avalanche rape and death threats against her (almost exclusively from the left). He should condemn those against anyone. But he simply will not, in her case, and it’s abhorrent cowardice and misogyny.

As an aside, how come women’s rights are always ‘culture war issues’ but gay rights and the rights of black people (for example) never are? It wouldn’t be hard to argue that misogyny is the oldest, deepest and most damaging hatred/ bigotry of all. It definitely leads to the most death and violence in this country.

I will not be told that I should worry more about housing or the economy than women’s sex-based rights and the upholding of objective reality and truth. Labour have forced me to make that choice. Fuck them.

Did we really need another trans thread? And in AIBU rather than the dedicated section.

Anything that undermines safeguarding should be debated, in the open.

I voted for Rosie duffield and I stand for black lives matter.

The Tory's consistently vote against rights for anyone who isn't white and male and straight.

You are lying or deluded if you say otherwise.

It is a fact. Look at voting history of MPs.

Just look at them.

Look at the living mps voting history. Look at those standing today. Look how they voted.

And you think the Tory's stand for women?
Shame!
Look at their actions.

12 torys Vs 9 labour.

Yet this thread is anti labour.

Lies.

Tory lies.

The Tory's have actively taken 15 million from someone who said 2 black women should be stabbed.

And you argue labor are worse.

Shame.

Absolute gaslighting, disgusting shame.

12 torys

9 labour.

A thread about how awful labour are.

Good post. ‘Culture wars’ is another nonsense term attempting to avoid. Used by the media and people who prefer women stop speaking up.

Anything that undermines safeguarding should be debated, in the open.

Exactly, why are adults expending energy on not debating this in the open?

It’s not ‘culture wars’ it’s safeguarding. People should be honest about why that doesn’t matter to them.

Shot themselves in the foot? I'd rather have Labour over a party of poltroons and chancers who are happy to trouser £20million donated by somebody who suggests shooting women is the way ahead. Thanks for asking.

Does that also apply to women in men's loos?

What happens when the loos need cleaning?

@WomensRightsRenegade
Great post!

I just need someone to explain to me that even the Tories have done all the shit they hate, because Labour haven’t stated they will undo everything the Tories have done, that means people won’t vote Labour and will still vote Tory.

MAKE IT MAKE SENSE.

Couldn't think of anything worse than another 5 years of cynical Tory rule. Hopefully we won't be seeing it.

There are plenty of other "culture wars" issues the Tories are also inflating. Islamists running London springs to mind (or wider anti Islam bollocks)
Immigrants overrunning the NHS
Lazy people claiming benefits
Threats to our "culture" from a falling birth rate/lack of integration
A new one appears to be the need to protect our Christian values

The "trans" culture war is also not about women. Its a vehicle to allow the Tories to recycle tired old tropes about gay people being a threat, schools corrupting our children by sex education and socialists infiltrating the civil service.

You’re absolutely right. I agree 💯 on all you have written in this post.

If Labour were to correct their misogyny (I’m using this to cover all of their ills on this matter), I’d vote for them. Or even if they would commit to correcting their misogyny I might vote for them.

Sadly Labour are actually doubling down on their misogyny. Yesterday’s desperate display was a final alarm bell. As if one were needed.

And all they can do is shout but but but the tories!

Rather than providing women and children with the comfort and knowledge that they will look after us by making biological sex a protected characteristic.

So yes, Fck Labour because they are well and truly fcking us over.

Realistically, we have 2 choices in this country - I wish we had proportional Representation but there we are. 5 more years of Tories decimating public services? More local authorities going to the wall? Privatisation all around and tough sh*t if you can't afford it? No thanks.

Why would you base a voting decision on Labour’s treatment of Duffield when she continues to be a Labour MP? Why would you be more upset about it than she is? She clearly believes Labour is a better party for women than any of the others, why not believe her?

What's a single sex space? Can I have list?

While we are on it, who is your vote going to?

This

i am one of those who believes that some people are what others would term as ‘true’ trans, and i would have liked a solution where these people could be comfortable within our society…

unfortunately due to the actions of the politicians and trans activists and sporting bodies and men taking the absolute piss its allowed womens rights to female only spaces, events, awards, fucking words etc to be slowly eroded

i agree with many others that the only solution now seems to be no males in female spaces

(no i am not voting tories and no, male cleaners in the ladies bogs is not the gotcha some people think it is, and don’t get me started on ‘we all have gender neutral loos in our homes’ there is not an eye roll big enough for that)

And no you can’t have a fucking list…

If for example one considers toilets, they are perhaps on the list of single sex spaces.

The question then remains as to what a mother does when her son needs the toilet, or a father with a daughter...

rufus Eastern asks me for a list every time I post my opinion, I'm just returning the favour.

I will answer questions about my opinion, who I'm voting for, the nuance of my GC views and get robustly challenged as a result. Its very noticeable to me that other posters dish it out but can't take it back.

There is no need to swear at me.

my comments was just getting in there before you potentially did 😀

i did think of the voting bit but not the list 🤔

i swear all the time, i am sorry that you thought it was directed at you rather than being used in general frustration 🤷🏻

@RufustheFactualReindeer you summed it up well thanks 😀

Excellent post.