To think this is outdated and needs to be removed?

[ballybean]

My son's school has an all glass isolation room in the hall with three desks, children are put there as punishment? Teachers and students walking passed

The only thing I'd add to this accurate post is that withholding activities will bring cries of "You can't do that, it humiliates them" too

Basically, many want something done about chaotic behaviour, but do it and some will always cry "No, not like that, we have to treat them nicely!!" - in other words a continuation of no responsibility/no consequences

And then some wonder why teachers are leaving in droves ...

Absolutely - time parents took some blame for how they’ve brought them up, instead of blaming the school/teachers/government/person down the road etc etc. Looking for blame anywhere else than themselves.

It’s always the parents of the naughty/badly behaved kids shouting the loudest about how detentions/punishments are unfair. I cant tell you our Secondary school’s detention policy as my child’s never had one. If they do ever get one, then im pretty sure they won’t misbehave again. I know my child would be horrified to get one.

I'd suggest starting by finding out about the child and why they're misbehaving. In my experience that rarely happens.

Then once they leave school and get into more serious bother and start inflicting their shit on Joe Public those very same parents bleet about it not being their fault and wash their hands with them.

Pretty much every child that goes to a school has a chance of walking away with a good education too set them on a path through adulthood.
While it's the child attending the school parents themselves will also be part of that process in how they choose to work with the school.

No one is helping a childs development by letting them think they're beyond the rules.

It’s always the parents of the naughty/badly behaved kids shouting the loudest about how detentions/punishments are unfair

Isn't it just - and very often they'll insist "they have ADHD" so can't help it

I'd suggest starting by finding out about the child and why they're misbehaving. In my experience that rarely happens

See above
One encounter with the parents - if they bother to show up at all - will often indicate exactly why the DCs behave as they do, but unfortunately also shows why sanctions are unlikely to work

Are you a teacher? How do you find time to do this? Obviously you're not doing it as a 1:1 I'd assume?

The speed awareness course I went on was in person. Not on a screen in my own home. I attended before Covid. I've not had to go since.

I am indeed a teacher. Punishment culture is not the solution.

It took me over a year of therapy to figure out why I was doing what I do. I’m not sure a teacher with 5 minutes has much of a chance to unpick the intricacies of the feral mind and to heal it.

So if you did something your boss didn’t like you’d think it cool of them to shame you in front of the rest of your colleagues?

kids are people and they don’t need to be forced into conforming. The education system is shit. If all other kids were coming out of school little geniuses then fine, I’d agree it worked. But even “well behaved” kids are coming out entirely average.

No. But they can flag up to pastoral staff, signpost etc.

I felt anxious and humiliated too on my speed awareness course. Having to ask for time off from work to explain why you must attend was humiliating. I made damn sure I don't speed again to avoid a replication of the experience.

That's brilliant, to have it at weekend and also for some good to come from it. Thats the kind of punishment that will teach them a lesson. I can see why they don't often do it again.

Detention doesn't work. My son got some lunchtime detentions for being late but he didn't care because they are made stand out in yard for lunch break and it's freezing so he preferred to stay in!

I'm not disagreeing with your principle. Having a group of children in the "cell" removes at least one of the functions of the panopticon.

Sure, it still functions in a role of discipline & control, but so do our factories, offices & schools in general.

School does feel like prison for some kids.

It's also worth noting that Bentham's prison was never actually built, but the principle exists.

YANBU. I agree it is humiliating.

Schools are busy places (especially secondary schools) and teachers are busy people. IME pupils get put in these rooms for , inter alia, disrupting classes. It gives them time to settle and hopefully reflect on their behaviour while allowing those who are interested in learning to do so. What would your suggestions for dealing with such pupils be ?(stocks might be a bit excessive). While a lower pupil:teacher ratio is highly desirable suggestion its not likely to happen.
My solution would be for parents to back the school by developing good communication with the pastoral care team and their child's form teacher/head of year

now, now.

that kind of language will get you a stint in the glass box.

It's a secondary school. Its true. I know for fact since speaking to another parent.

There was a room like this at DDs school although when she was there it was being used as a room for sixth form studying. I'm not sure why it had glass but I thought it was because there were no windows to the outside and otherwise would have been dark.

If there's only 3 tables in there I doubt any misbehaving child is in there for long unless it's really working and misbehaviour is minimal.
How big is this school?

@mitogoshi how do they enforce the litter picking? Surely the kids just don't turn up?

@ballybean was your kid not embarrassed to be put in detention? Mine would be. And they would be told off at home for being dicks. Unless it was something very petty.

Nah, too simple. Much better to find something to have a good moan about especially if your child's just had a detention. 😂

kids are people and they don’t need to be forced into conforming

so what is your solution? that kids should be allowed to do whatever it is they want in school? attend some lessons, not others? pick the teacher they want to teach them? have a timetable with timings that are personalised for them? what?

/boak

It's a big enough school, I'd imagine 600 boys.

No he wasn't embarrassed. He got them for being late. We came up with a plan for him to be more organised in the morning and they stopped.

I wasn't expecting so many replies so still getting through them but have to head out.
I'm not a teacher and understand there's a lot of you on this thread.
But I do work in an area that's under pressure and dealing with public and often have to manage conflict. I think the best teachers who students behave better for are the ones that respect the kids and are not just throwing out punishments left right and centre. I know I'm going to get flamed for that but I really do believe it.

My children aren't snowflakes by any means. I don't mollycoddle them but I don't believe that humiliating them works

The school hasn't got major behavioural problems.