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AIBU?

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To feel 22 hours a week at work is too much?

307 replies

EnglishHamlet · 13/03/2024 12:41

I have 2 DC both in primary school.
1 has diagnosed SEN which requires a lot of input from me, the other has undiagnosed stuff going on which causes a lot of behaviour, mental and emotional input from me.
They both attend primary school full/normal days. They'd actually both benefit emotionally from a reduced timetable but Head Teacher says they don't fit the criteria for that as they're both high functioning. Anyway that's another story.
I work 22 hours a week during school hours.
It really feels like too much. I'm under constant strain and pressure. It's really full on at home and it's really full on at work.
I keep trying to do my best, keep thinking I'm lucky to work 22 hours and not full time hours.
DH works ridiculously long hours. He gets home hours later than his contracted time to finish due to immense workload which is never going to improve.
So I do everything re looking after the DC and everything at home too re domestic stuff.
By the time DH gets home they're fast asleep in bed, I've done all homework with DC, taken them to the park, cooked dinner, bathed them, read stories to them, settled them to sleep, then after their bedtime I've done the housework and tidied up everywhere by myself, put laundry away etc., and this is after having got up at 6am to get DC ready for school, breakfast, packed lunches, taken them to school then gone straight to work straight after drrop off to do a highly demanding job whilst DC are at school then finish and go straight to school to pick DC up. By the time DH walks in at 9pm I'm absolutely frazzled. He walks in and I haven't stopped since 6am. I have 1 day off a week and spend it sorting things out at home, laundry, cleaning, life admin, etc.
Can't reduce hours as we need the money. All the late evenings DH does are unpaid, he gets his salary (middle earner) and is expected to do the job no matter how long that takes, his workload is colossal.
So AIBU to feel like 22 hours a week of work is too much? I feel like I'm being such a princess even asking this question. But I'm burning out!!!
Edited for typos.

OP posts:
WarningOfGails · 13/03/2024 14:30

Where does it say the DH isn’t clinical?

I feel overwhelmed by working 30 hours a week, am married to a doctor. What can you outsource? For me it’s a cleaner!

Sweetheart7 · 13/03/2024 14:30

@thinkfast how presumptuous are you. Life isn't just as simple as working 40 hours a week, not that people have to anyway. Some people genuinely can't for a few reasons. Not all schools offer wrap around childcare!

The vibe from a couple on this thread is "Well we both work full time" good for you BOTH. It comes across as very bitter!

WatchandWaitorNot · 13/03/2024 14:31

PostItInABook · 13/03/2024 14:29

I posted before your last post. Apologies.

Thank you. And my example of “a monitor going off” was direct experience from when my brother was in ITU and there was a monitor measuring pressure in his brain, every time it went off the nurses rushed to his bedside and it was terrifying.

DragonFly98 · 13/03/2024 14:39

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 13/03/2024 13:52

stop railroading the thread. This isn’t about you ( or me!)

That would be you that is obstructing the op's thread.

MummyJ36 · 13/03/2024 14:46

is there any possibility of compressing your hours into 3 days? I do 21 hours over 3 days and have the other two for childcare (for pre school DC and pick up for school DC).

It would mean your DC likely having to go to an after school club. Do you think they could do that perhaps? Or alternatively spread your hours over 5 days so you’re doing less on more days. I’ve found that weirdly working 4 days a week is sometimes the worst of both worlds.

Trulyme · 13/03/2024 14:49

22 hours is not too much but its irrelevant if you can’t afford to reduce your hours anyway.

What do you do?

It sounds like 1 or both of you needs to find another job, so you’re not so exhausted.

Could DH find a different job with a similar salary that would mean he can help with childcare/around the house more.

Spendonsend · 13/03/2024 14:50

I dont think people realise how full on working school hours can be with SEN in the mix.

I also think its very hard to make a partner change. Mine evetually moved to a more family friendly job but it took about 8 years!

I would assess whether you can get a cleaner. I would also look at seeing if you can get a mothers help to help with that afterschool to bedtime shift. just because it can be very intense being a sahm to an sen child on a part time timetable, and some people need a break

But ultimately if you are burning out, then you might have to reduce hours.

one thing you might not know is if your child is disabled you can take your parental leave in a different way. I took it as one day a week for about 4 months. Its unpaid but you keep you job hours open. You could also take a block to just recalibrate.

doppelganger2 · 13/03/2024 14:50

thinkfast · 13/03/2024 14:23

I'm sorry OP but I think YABU.

Firstly, your DH needs to step up to help with some childcare and domestic chores.

I appreciate its very difficult. DH and I BOTH work full time in full on roles. We split domestic stuff approx 50:50. It's a constant juggle of prioritising, organising, homework, laundry, play dates, school projects, times tables plus work work work.

Frankly I'd be laughing if I only had to work 22 hours per week during term time.

I'm sorry if that seems unhelpful, but many of us don't have the luxury of only working part time / term time. It is a struggle and I have to take medication for stress and anxiety, partly as a result of this.

Let me tell you a secret. There is often no wrap around childcare for children with disabilities. Same for holidays clubs. Nobody what's kids with SEN, then the endless appointments. Then time out of school because e.g. of mental health crisis of because of the lack of special school places. Your post is completely tone death.

I would be laughing if I had non-disabled DC and could work full time. Sounds like an utter doddle to the realities I am dealing with.

I really don't understand why people post this kind of shit on threads about children with SN if they have no understanding of the challenges that come with parenting disabled DC.

Spendonsend · 13/03/2024 14:54

https://www.gov.uk/parental-leave/entitlement this is what i was referring to.

It saved my saninty. Yes it was financially tough to take the time off but it wasnt as drastic as cutting hours or leaving permanently

Unpaid parental leave

Employer and employee guide to unpaid parental leave - eligibility, how much leave can be taken and notice periods

https://www.gov.uk/parental-leave/entitlement

sandyhappypeople · 13/03/2024 14:55

freezefade · 13/03/2024 13:23

I also think a lot of men actually secretly prefer staying at work a bit later, and then coming in when bathtime is done / kids are in bed / house is tidy.

I also agree with this. So much easier to stay at work and opt out of the home drudgery. How nice to just work a few extra hours and then come home to everything having been done for you.

I agree with this too, I used to work with someone like it, he'd stay at work late just so he didn't have to 'deal with the kids' He used to wait till they'd gone to bed to go home. Never mind that his wife was at home having to do it all, selfish prick.

Don't assume his only motivation for staying at work is to get the workload done, it could very well be a bit of both. Whatever pressure he is under at work he is actively prioritising his work over time with his kids and being there to take over the load from you.. I honestly don't know how you can even look at him when he comes in, paid overtime is one thing, unpaid overtime is just him choosing to not be in the house.

Time to get harsh I'm afraid, he isn't the victim here, you are.

justasking111 · 13/03/2024 14:58

EnglishHamlet · 13/03/2024 12:49

There is absolutely no chance whatsoever of DH being able to make changes at work. He is caving under work pressure. NHS. No support, no help ftom managers, he's reported his long days over and over again to them. He stays late because of workload and because he worries about patient safety. His trust has a 'no paid overtime' policy due to cutbacks.
So his hours aren't my question.
My question is AIBU to feel 22 hrs is too much?
I feel so ridiculous feeling like I'm working too much, I always worked full time before DC.
But I can't cope and need to know if it's me being unable to cope!

Edited

Look if he dropped dead tomorrow Rishi wouldn't be reporting that the NHS had collapsed totally because Mr English Hamlet was no longer at the helm.

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 13/03/2024 14:58

Mrsttcno1 · 13/03/2024 13:56

I know that sounds like a solution and it might be for her husband, but it honestly is easier said than done. There is no way of knowing in advance whether that is “okay”, he may think that will be fine at 9am but by 5:30pm when his shift is technically over there could be 3 patients in pain waiting for him to provide their medication and if he leaves then they will have to wait for the next round, maybe 2 hours later, in pain. I’m not sure what kind of person in that situation could just grab their coat and leave. It’s just an example of course and maybe it doesn’t apply to him, but the point is everybody is quick to say here that he should just leave at the end of his shift, but those same people would be the first to post on here if they had to wait 8 hours in a&e, or their surgery was cancelled last minute, or their friend/family member in hospital had to wait 4 hours in agony before getting pain relief etc. It is completely wrong that this is the state the NHS is in and it absolutely shouldn’t be, but if everybody just left at the end of their rota shift you’d be genuinely shocked by the impact it would have.

This is 100% true. But what applies is the same principle as goes for strikes - yes, there may be some patient suffering as a result of strikes and staff shortages. People may even die. It is awful.

BUT. The alternative is that nothing changes. The service will remain underfunded, under-supported, understaffed and badly-managed, and other patients will suffer and even die. Just it will be because of long-term, systematic issues, not because of something obvious and easily blamed like a strike.

It reminds me of that line in the English Patient where someone tells him thousands of people could have died because of what he did; he replies 'thousands of people did die; just different people'.

So I think NHS staff SHOULD do precisely as i've said. Walk out on time. Do your work and not everybody else's too. Work to rule. The whole damn thing will fall over. And so it should, because no institution should survive by systematically screwing over its employees. Maybe then the people in this country who depend on the health services will WAKE UP and stop voting in a political class that is happy to see them die in the gutter for want of care.

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 13/03/2024 15:00

sandyhappypeople · 13/03/2024 14:55

I agree with this too, I used to work with someone like it, he'd stay at work late just so he didn't have to 'deal with the kids' He used to wait till they'd gone to bed to go home. Never mind that his wife was at home having to do it all, selfish prick.

Don't assume his only motivation for staying at work is to get the workload done, it could very well be a bit of both. Whatever pressure he is under at work he is actively prioritising his work over time with his kids and being there to take over the load from you.. I honestly don't know how you can even look at him when he comes in, paid overtime is one thing, unpaid overtime is just him choosing to not be in the house.

Time to get harsh I'm afraid, he isn't the victim here, you are.

This is well actually. He is making his job easier (throwing more time at it) by making your job harder (leaving you with everything at home).

Fundays12 · 13/03/2024 15:12

I have 3 kids one with significant complex diagnosed support needs and the middle one with lower level support needs. Whilst 22 hour's a week isn't a lot in reality when you have children with complex support needs it's a lot especially when your Dh is effectively working most of the time. My DH works 37 hours a week though studies for work related qualifications about 8 more hours a week on top of his working week. I work about 7 to 10 hours a week in term time. Quite honestly that is enough as my oldest has a lot of medical appointments. The house work needs done, the kids have activities, school picks up and I have a lot of training etc for my own job. Is there anyway your DH can help you by reducing hours? Have you applied for DLA?

Aliciainwunderland · 13/03/2024 15:13

I burnt out in my 22 hours a week job and left - that was mainly done to the job and not the hours though! One thing that did help was changing my hours so I had time at home on my own each morning to do cleaning/laundry etc. DH would take DC to nursery at 8 and then I left for work at 9. I worked 930 - 330 each day M-Thurs then picked DC up straight after. I found getting the major cleaning jobs done in the morning helped as to be honest was always so exhausted after bedtime. I am sure you really value that day off on Friday but if there is anyway you can change you hours to even just give you 30 mins after doing drop off to keep on top of things it might help - 20 min lunch break or something maybe? good luck!

RhubarbGingerJam · 13/03/2024 15:15

So AIBU to feel like 22 hours a week of work is too much?

Can easily believe that with support needed by SEN kids - mine got minimal to no support in school so it was all thrown on well me.

Other hand you need the money - so can't give up work - and honestly that foot in door of work is worth fighting for.

You have two problems SEN support failing on home - and husband working crazy hours. If you can pay to outsource tasks - do that if not then you need something else to change.

Miyagi99 · 13/03/2024 15:18

I bet some women with children work the same job your husband does but manage to mostly get home on time.

Bishbosch · 13/03/2024 15:21

I work the same hours as you with similar high needs DC. I agree it is hard. The difference for me is that DH very much does his bit. We both had to change roles to make life work with our DC. Your DH's job is the problem, he isn't bringing in mega bucks if you need to work too. It is not at all fair on you so he needs to find a new role or start saying 'no' at work. If you dropped down dead tommorow, he would have to find a way, it is possible.

I do also agree though that working school hours is the worst of all. You're rushing from school into work, back to school 4 days a week. If you can find wrap around care I'd take that and work 3 longer days.

RosesAndHellebores · 13/03/2024 15:23

Actually OP, the hardest I ever worked and my most frazzled was the period I worked part-time, 18 hours, when I went back to work once dd was settled in reception. It was utterly gruelling and my dc weren't neurodivergent. I also had/have a dh who is a workaholic. You have my sympathy.

I don't know if it's possible, if you could source childcare, but life became much easier when I went full-time. Full-time, I felt sub-contracting was justified. Essentially other people dealt with the shit. Cleaning, ironing, receiving deliveries and the after school activities and teas (oh the bloody teas and dealing with other people's children as well as my own).

veggie50 · 13/03/2024 16:01

You mentioned your SEN children, would there be organisations that can offer afterschool club / activities for them? If your kids are statemented, they might be entitled to some direct payment hours to be used at home. Or else there may be some charities that would offer help looking after them at home to give you a break.

RedMark · 13/03/2024 16:02

As many others have said, if it's not working, DH needs to find a new job. I know that's not a quick fix but you can't go on like this. 15 hour days is not feasible for you. You'll burn out. DH absolutely needs to change something.

x2boys · 13/03/2024 16:09

veggie50 · 13/03/2024 16:01

You mentioned your SEN children, would there be organisations that can offer afterschool club / activities for them? If your kids are statemented, they might be entitled to some direct payment hours to be used at home. Or else there may be some charities that would offer help looking after them at home to give you a break.

Direct payments is usually a few hours a week
In my LEA we have a special needs holiday club which some children can access one day a week in school holidays ( after assessment of course ) it's designed as respite though so parents can't choose what day ,so not practical for child care if a parent works

Secretroses · 13/03/2024 16:20

Your health and wellbeing is as important as patient safety... it shouldn't always be you getting the raw end of the deal day after day...

Mumoftwo2022 · 13/03/2024 16:20

All depends on finances. I work full time cos I need to. I have 2 children too but I just knuckle down and get on with it cos at the moment it’s what we need to do and no point in even thinking if it’s too much as there isn’t anything we can do about it at the moment. I would love to reduce my hours as I am exhausted but needs must and I just crack on x if you can afford to reduce hours do it if not then not much you can do but just get on with it.

GreenAnt23 · 13/03/2024 16:30

doppelganger2 · 13/03/2024 12:57

Your issue aren't your hours but a husband who puts overtime for a mediocre paid job above family. You have a DH problem! He needs to prioritise his DC.

He’s trying to earn money for the family… if he prioritised his DC they could have even worse financial struggles. He’s a hard worker and we should respect men like that