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To feel 22 hours a week at work is too much?

307 replies

EnglishHamlet · 13/03/2024 12:41

I have 2 DC both in primary school.
1 has diagnosed SEN which requires a lot of input from me, the other has undiagnosed stuff going on which causes a lot of behaviour, mental and emotional input from me.
They both attend primary school full/normal days. They'd actually both benefit emotionally from a reduced timetable but Head Teacher says they don't fit the criteria for that as they're both high functioning. Anyway that's another story.
I work 22 hours a week during school hours.
It really feels like too much. I'm under constant strain and pressure. It's really full on at home and it's really full on at work.
I keep trying to do my best, keep thinking I'm lucky to work 22 hours and not full time hours.
DH works ridiculously long hours. He gets home hours later than his contracted time to finish due to immense workload which is never going to improve.
So I do everything re looking after the DC and everything at home too re domestic stuff.
By the time DH gets home they're fast asleep in bed, I've done all homework with DC, taken them to the park, cooked dinner, bathed them, read stories to them, settled them to sleep, then after their bedtime I've done the housework and tidied up everywhere by myself, put laundry away etc., and this is after having got up at 6am to get DC ready for school, breakfast, packed lunches, taken them to school then gone straight to work straight after drrop off to do a highly demanding job whilst DC are at school then finish and go straight to school to pick DC up. By the time DH walks in at 9pm I'm absolutely frazzled. He walks in and I haven't stopped since 6am. I have 1 day off a week and spend it sorting things out at home, laundry, cleaning, life admin, etc.
Can't reduce hours as we need the money. All the late evenings DH does are unpaid, he gets his salary (middle earner) and is expected to do the job no matter how long that takes, his workload is colossal.
So AIBU to feel like 22 hours a week of work is too much? I feel like I'm being such a princess even asking this question. But I'm burning out!!!
Edited for typos.

OP posts:
Sweetheart7 · 13/03/2024 13:51

PostItInABook · 13/03/2024 13:28

Martyring yourself for the NHS is completely counterproductive as well. The more you do unpaid, the more they expect it and no action is ever taken to make proper improvements, because lack of staff isn’t really seen as an issue since the work gets done. They take massive advantage of their workers, gaslight them into believing it’s for the greater good (patient safety) and the workload isn’t that bad, why can’t you get it done in normal working hours ect…..and the martyrs let them and then moan to others about how much they do unpaid and blah blah blah. Just stop doing it! I finally have.

This too. Even it it means moving job roles.

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 13/03/2024 13:51

x2boys · 13/03/2024 13:50

Nobodies jumped on you ,just pointing out that autism and other spectrum conditions are just that spectrums ,you might be able to cope with your child, s disabilities and working full time ,but just because you can doesn't mean everyone can

The OP asked if she was unreasonable.

I think she’s got a great gig only working 22 hours.

I will never understand why people try and railroad threads like this!!

DragonFly98 · 13/03/2024 13:52

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 13/03/2024 13:48

Thanks but I don’t want a life determined by benefits.

That's incredibly rude many parents of disabled children have no choice but to give up work and claim benefits. In any case dla is not means tested and if your child is entitled to it your are doing them a disservice by not claiming it for them.

x2boys · 13/03/2024 13:52

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 13/03/2024 13:48

Thanks but I don’t want a life determined by benefits.

Again good for you but don't say their is no choice
You sound incredibly ill educated about how autism and ADHD affects people DIFFERENTLY!

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 13/03/2024 13:52

DragonFly98 · 13/03/2024 13:52

That's incredibly rude many parents of disabled children have no choice but to give up work and claim benefits. In any case dla is not means tested and if your child is entitled to it your are doing them a disservice by not claiming it for them.

stop railroading the thread. This isn’t about you ( or me!)

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 13/03/2024 13:53

x2boys · 13/03/2024 13:52

Again good for you but don't say their is no choice
You sound incredibly ill educated about how autism and ADHD affects people DIFFERENTLY!

There is a choice. Can you let the OP have her thread now without making it all about you?

Jeannne92 · 13/03/2024 13:54

Your DC needs to work more reasonable hours or change job or at least get a massive payrise so you can be at home (if you want) and / or pay for a cleaner.

doppelganger2 · 13/03/2024 13:54

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 13/03/2024 13:33

I think 22 hours a week is a delightful easy life tbh, it sounds like you actually need more money so why on earth would you even consider reducing? But then I work at least 40 and always have . ( and yes Mn , one of my kids also has ASD and ADHD and I was a single parent for 5 years and no don’t have a cleaner or a nanny!)

Impressive to do it alone given that most children with SN cannot access wrap around and school holiday childcare. How did you manage that with a full time job?

WaitingForMojo · 13/03/2024 13:55

Have you applied for DLA for your children? You don’t need a diagnosis, you need to be able to evidence need.

I’d apply, with help to do it properly and not forgetting to detail every little thing you need to do for your dc, and spelling out what would happen if they didn’t receive this care.

I have dc with SEN. I haven’t managed to work 22 hours (tried several times and failed).

Beacpom · 13/03/2024 13:55

If it’s too much for you, then it’s too much. If you can afford to reduce your hours then do it. You’ll have people on here who believe we all should be working full time hours and selling our soul while we at it, but life is for living and if it’s not working for you then change something.

NCJD · 13/03/2024 13:56

Is your DH a doctor OP?

Mrsttcno1 · 13/03/2024 13:56

WatchandWaitorNot · 13/03/2024 13:47

What about taking a compromise approach and carving out one set day a week when he absolutely has to be out of the building by 5:30 pm? Surely that must be do-able? (He isn’t patient-facing/clinical by the sound of it. Not a total solution but every little helps.

Edited

I know that sounds like a solution and it might be for her husband, but it honestly is easier said than done. There is no way of knowing in advance whether that is “okay”, he may think that will be fine at 9am but by 5:30pm when his shift is technically over there could be 3 patients in pain waiting for him to provide their medication and if he leaves then they will have to wait for the next round, maybe 2 hours later, in pain. I’m not sure what kind of person in that situation could just grab their coat and leave. It’s just an example of course and maybe it doesn’t apply to him, but the point is everybody is quick to say here that he should just leave at the end of his shift, but those same people would be the first to post on here if they had to wait 8 hours in a&e, or their surgery was cancelled last minute, or their friend/family member in hospital had to wait 4 hours in agony before getting pain relief etc. It is completely wrong that this is the state the NHS is in and it absolutely shouldn’t be, but if everybody just left at the end of their rota shift you’d be genuinely shocked by the impact it would have.

Taylormiffed · 13/03/2024 13:56

As a lone parent who "only" works 3 days a week with a teen with SEN and mental health issues (other teen is fine). I understand where you are coming from.
Life is an endless treadmill of chasing camhs, school, where are we with ehcp etc.

But your DH does need to step up.

WatchandWaitorNot · 13/03/2024 13:57

Mrsttcno1 · 13/03/2024 13:56

I know that sounds like a solution and it might be for her husband, but it honestly is easier said than done. There is no way of knowing in advance whether that is “okay”, he may think that will be fine at 9am but by 5:30pm when his shift is technically over there could be 3 patients in pain waiting for him to provide their medication and if he leaves then they will have to wait for the next round, maybe 2 hours later, in pain. I’m not sure what kind of person in that situation could just grab their coat and leave. It’s just an example of course and maybe it doesn’t apply to him, but the point is everybody is quick to say here that he should just leave at the end of his shift, but those same people would be the first to post on here if they had to wait 8 hours in a&e, or their surgery was cancelled last minute, or their friend/family member in hospital had to wait 4 hours in agony before getting pain relief etc. It is completely wrong that this is the state the NHS is in and it absolutely shouldn’t be, but if everybody just left at the end of their rota shift you’d be genuinely shocked by the impact it would have.

He’s not clinical.

Bluewallss · 13/03/2024 13:57

Your DH needs to stop doing the extra unpaid hours in and ask his manager to put a business case in for either paid over time or extra staff.

This can’t be done if he’s doing all this unpaid.

Beacpom · 13/03/2024 13:58

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 13/03/2024 13:33

I think 22 hours a week is a delightful easy life tbh, it sounds like you actually need more money so why on earth would you even consider reducing? But then I work at least 40 and always have . ( and yes Mn , one of my kids also has ASD and ADHD and I was a single parent for 5 years and no don’t have a cleaner or a nanny!)

My point. Just because you do it doesn’t mean the op must.

BranchGold · 13/03/2024 13:58

Mrsttcno1 · 13/03/2024 13:56

I know that sounds like a solution and it might be for her husband, but it honestly is easier said than done. There is no way of knowing in advance whether that is “okay”, he may think that will be fine at 9am but by 5:30pm when his shift is technically over there could be 3 patients in pain waiting for him to provide their medication and if he leaves then they will have to wait for the next round, maybe 2 hours later, in pain. I’m not sure what kind of person in that situation could just grab their coat and leave. It’s just an example of course and maybe it doesn’t apply to him, but the point is everybody is quick to say here that he should just leave at the end of his shift, but those same people would be the first to post on here if they had to wait 8 hours in a&e, or their surgery was cancelled last minute, or their friend/family member in hospital had to wait 4 hours in agony before getting pain relief etc. It is completely wrong that this is the state the NHS is in and it absolutely shouldn’t be, but if everybody just left at the end of their rota shift you’d be genuinely shocked by the impact it would have.

I can tell you what type of person does it, a mother.

WaitingForMojo · 13/03/2024 13:59

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 13/03/2024 13:48

Thanks but I don’t want a life determined by benefits.

So you had a choice, you chose not to, and now you’re sneering at others who have sacrificed their work to meet their child’s needs. Classy.

doppelganger2 · 13/03/2024 13:59

nobody is gonna get fired on the NHS for working their hours (which your DH does).

Mrsttcno1 · 13/03/2024 14:01

WatchandWaitorNot · 13/03/2024 13:57

He’s not clinical.

I can’t see anywhere where OP has said that sorry, can you show me where that is confirmed?

Regardless, OP has said the reason he is worried is due to patient safety thus meaning whatever particular role he does directly impacts this.

SilverCatStripes · 13/03/2024 14:04

Hi OP,

You have my sympathy and solidarity!

The truth is until you have a child with additional needs you have no idea how all encompassing, relentless and exhausting it is, so I think most people won’t get how knackering it is.

A few things which might be useful to think about

Firstly -short term can you take some sick leave for a few weeks or any unpaid leave ?

medium term - are you getting all the financial help you are entitled to ? (DLA is not means tested so it’s worth applying) Can you cut back hours at work ? Or find a role with fewer hours ?

long term - can DH find a different role /switch down hours?

In the meantime have a handhold - its bloody hard work being a parent carer x

Mrsttcno1 · 13/03/2024 14:04

BranchGold · 13/03/2024 13:58

I can tell you what type of person does it, a mother.

A nice tag line, but not correct. In fact we see more mothers than anyone else working crazy hours above and beyond, especially on the wards, because they just cannot bring themselves to leave patients who need them. If their children are at home, safe and sound, being looked after by their other parent, then it is always the mothers whom are nurses who you see still working in paeds 5 hours later because they can’t bare to leave someone who needs them.

MaryHoppins · 13/03/2024 14:05

Yabu, I think your situation is similar to a lot of others. I agree it isn't a great life, but you chose to have children.

I also chose to have children and am a single parent working pretty much full time. Like I say, I agree it's tiring and not ideal but 22 hours is pretty good, plus a day of admin and chores is a luxury for many.

Obeast · 13/03/2024 14:06

Mrsttcno1 · 13/03/2024 13:41

I think the husband is getting a hard time here when actually it is incredibly difficult working within the NHS right now, it’s easy to say he should just leave at x time etc but actually the reality is the vast majority of NHS staff at the moment are working beyond their hours, and I wonder how many of the posters here saying he should just go home regardless would still be saying that if he was the one taking care of them/their parent/child/family member. All I’m saying is it is so much easier said than done to “just leave on time”, when you have multiple patients relying on you, when your colleagues and managers are all in the same boat working overtime, it’s incredibly difficult to just walk out.

This doesn’t matter. He is a failure of a father and a husband, he is selfishly burdening OP with all the labour while he does voluntary work. Instead of getting a different job, he’s a burden, and a stranger to his kids and there’s no excuse for it.

WatchandWaitorNot · 13/03/2024 14:06

Mrsttcno1 · 13/03/2024 14:01

I can’t see anywhere where OP has said that sorry, can you show me where that is confirmed?

Regardless, OP has said the reason he is worried is due to patient safety thus meaning whatever particular role he does directly impacts this.

She talk about him being a middle earner and having managers to whom he reports his long hours, and there being a no paid overtime policy in his trust. This doesn’t sound like a clinical job to me, more admin sort of thing.

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