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To think Center Parcs should be ashamed of this

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ReallyCenterParcs · 12/03/2024 16:24

I think it may have been deleted now, but not before Center Parcs hid or deleted comments pointing out the stereotyping and misogyny of this Facebook post...
One comment I saw said mum's not keeping up because of all the shopping, cooking, washing and organising she had to before the family got to sodding Center Parcs in the first place. And she's riding a shite bike they've given her

To think Center Parcs should be ashamed of this
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LancashireTart · 13/03/2024 20:52

GreenAppleCrumble · 13/03/2024 20:35

What exactly is your problem? I’ve suggested that it is very possible to read a sexist tone in that advert. It’s true; it’s perfectly possible to see that. I mean, have you never ventured an interpretation of any text? Equally, it’s possible to argue that it’s innocent as the driven snow (plausible deniability and all that). So I’m being open-minded, but what I won’t accept is that there’s definitely no way that there’s anything sexist about it grrrrr which seems to be your wild and angry assertion. Given that we live in a world saturated with sexism, yours seems a bold claim.

I just can’t understand why women calling out potential sexism throws you into such paroxysms of rage.

Good grief, you do like to exaggerate a little, don't you?! Please show me examples of my "rage" and "wild and angry assertions". I'm not remotely angry. On the contrary, I'm actually quite amused by your ability to get your knickers in a twist about absolutely nothing. I'll say it again, there is absolutely nothing sexist in that ad. If you think there is then you seriously need to assess your thought processes and seek help if necessary.

GreenAppleCrumble · 13/03/2024 20:53

IntermittentFarting · 13/03/2024 20:41

It wasn't misogynistic language. You were, again, telling a woman she was feministing wrong. It's your way or it's wrong.

I say it’s misogynistic language. You say it’s not. I guess we’ll never know 🤷‍♀️😂

GreenAppleCrumble · 13/03/2024 20:54

crumblingschools · 13/03/2024 20:00

How often do people describe men as being screechy?

Never. Except maybe to win an argument…

GreenAppleCrumble · 13/03/2024 20:55

@LancashireTart

to get your knickers in a twist about absolutely nothing

Hey - I’m actually enjoying this game of misogynistic language bingo now!

Ramalangadingdong · 13/03/2024 21:02

IntermittentFarting · 13/03/2024 19:36

I was paraphrasing. What you wrote was:

I would ask you this: do you agree that women (as a class, not me as an individual 🙄) have been systematically oppressed by men throughout history?
If ‘yes’ - well, you are part of the way to understanding why it’s perfectly justified to scrutinise the way women are portrayed in media and advertising because the odds are there’s some misogyny afoot.

If ‘no’, I suggest it’s back to school with you to learn some history.

I don't entirely disagree, but it did smack of "if you knew as much as me you'd see I was right"

I think that’s how you chose to read it. She is saying the facts are there for you to refer to if you want to verify what she is alluding to.

Tahinii · 13/03/2024 21:05

GreenAppleCrumble · 13/03/2024 20:53

I say it’s misogynistic language. You say it’s not. I guess we’ll never know 🤷‍♀️😂

As opposed to the post where a poster suggested MNers are doormats, brainwashed or lacking intelligence. 💁🏻‍♀️ Far more overtly offensive and patronising to boot!

LancashireTart · 13/03/2024 21:05

GreenAppleCrumble · 13/03/2024 20:49

Just catching up with your nonsense - hence the run of posts. Couldn’t let this slip through; you apparently live in a different world from the rest of us. Literally every thing on my list is based in fact.

You must be on the wind-up. No one can be this dim.

In Britain, women only got the vote just over 100 years ago. In all of time up to (and beyond) that point, women were in law less than men. Women’s bodies were their husbands property in law within my lifetime (marital rape not a crime until early 90s). This shit is still current in other countries. Do you really think millennia of men building a world for themselves with women as their support humans has been undone in, what, a century? I’m sorry if I’m patronising you, but you seem to know nothing.

Cultural and societal change is slow. Those attitudes to the sexes are absolutely hardwired in. They are sewn into the fabric of our language, literature, culture, family. They shine through in art and cinema. And definitely, definitely advertising.

We’ve made progress, sure; compare adverts now to 70s adverts and you’ll definitely see that.

But when an advert has the opportunity to not flirt with lazy stereotypes of women, it should definitely take that opportunity.

And when some women (the ones paying most attention) suggest that, all things considered, that ad might have been better if it had not (even inadvertently) borrowed from a tedious misogynistic stereotype, then maybe it’s better not to jump up and down shouting that there definitely isn’t any sexism. Are the men paying you for this or something?

Those examples are from the past. Times have changed for the better, in the UK at least. Fortunately, we now have laws for equality in place. It isn't perfect but it isn't helped by people like yourself desperately looking for something to be offended about.

CeriB82 · 13/03/2024 21:07

Im late to this party. But there is fuck all wrong with it.

people need to stop looking for stuff. Nothing to see here.

LancashireTart · 13/03/2024 21:09

GreenAppleCrumble · 13/03/2024 20:55

@LancashireTart

to get your knickers in a twist about absolutely nothing

Hey - I’m actually enjoying this game of misogynistic language bingo now!

Excellent, it's good to hear that you've calmed down a bit. I was getting concerned about your mental wellbeing.

LancashireTart · 13/03/2024 21:10

CeriB82 · 13/03/2024 21:07

Im late to this party. But there is fuck all wrong with it.

people need to stop looking for stuff. Nothing to see here.

Don't you be coming on here with your common sense approach! 😂

GreenAppleCrumble · 13/03/2024 21:12

Tahinii · 13/03/2024 21:05

As opposed to the post where a poster suggested MNers are doormats, brainwashed or lacking intelligence. 💁🏻‍♀️ Far more overtly offensive and patronising to boot!

But not misogynistic. The doormat reference is usually used in a defiant way of course, as in don’t be a doormat. Reject the patriarchy.

IntermittentFarting · 13/03/2024 21:16

GreenAppleCrumble · 13/03/2024 21:12

But not misogynistic. The doormat reference is usually used in a defiant way of course, as in don’t be a doormat. Reject the patriarchy.

It absolutely was misogynistic! The insults themselves not inherently; but the way they were used against women for having the temerity to disagree definitely was.
I reject the patriarchy!

crumblingschools · 13/03/2024 21:17

For people who think misogyny is becoming a thing of the past have obviously never been in a Secondary school lately, huge issue

PearlClutzsche · 13/03/2024 21:21

crumblingschools · 13/03/2024 21:17

For people who think misogyny is becoming a thing of the past have obviously never been in a Secondary school lately, huge issue

It certainly is not a thing of the past, sadly.
Whats happening in state secondaries though? I have a daughter in one so you've got me worried.

When I was at high school my school year was the last one where the girls did cooking and sewing for the first couple of years while the boys did wood and metalwork! At least that's changed. Small victories.

GreenAppleCrumble · 13/03/2024 21:25

LancashireTart · 13/03/2024 21:05

Those examples are from the past. Times have changed for the better, in the UK at least. Fortunately, we now have laws for equality in place. It isn't perfect but it isn't helped by people like yourself desperately looking for something to be offended about.

It isn’t perfect

And the prize for understatement of the year goes to…

Have you been living under a rock? Have you seen the investigations into, to pick one example, the vile culture of misogyny in the metropolitan police?

Not perfect! Fuck me.

And what on earth makes you think that your brainless minimising helps the situation? You’re saying it’s worse to be on the lookout for misogynistic bullshit??

I am furious, yes. I own it. But I’ve every reason to be. It’s the small stuff - the little sexist dig here and there, the ‘laddish’ jokes - that lead to the toxic culture we have.

I’ve admitted the sexism here is mild - even undetectable to some. But then some people don’t see any sexism in the traditional Disney princess movies.

But to flat out deny there’s even a trace of sexism is bonkers.

Even that I’d let go I suppose. But your silly, childish comments that all that flagrant sexism is in the past is fucking ridiculous. Less than 40 years ago, the prevailing view in this country was that a woman couldn’t refuse her husband sex. And you think, because a law was passed, it was all fine and dandy the next day - everyone had forgotten that women had no bodily autonomy yesterday and men and women lived as equals, the end.

Blimey.

Your dogged refusal to admit we still live in a thoroughly sexist works blows my mind. It shows me just how much bullshit there is to unpick.

As I’ve said, I am furious- not about the CP advert, but about all the closet misogynists it’s brought out.

I claimed you were angry. Perhaps that’s wrong. I couldn’t see any other way to account for this bizarre defence of the advert. You can see why it matters to me that people are on the lookout for sexism. Why does it matter so deeply to you to get people to agree there’s no sexism? What’s in it for you?

crumblingschools · 13/03/2024 21:27

The likes of Andrew Tate are having an horrendous influence on many young males.

Mouldyfoodhelp · 13/03/2024 21:28

Not sure why there seems to be people who think anything pointing out something about a woman even in an innocent way is misogynistic.

Let's say the woman is behind so what? How's it woman hating?

PearlClutzsche · 13/03/2024 21:31

crumblingschools · 13/03/2024 21:27

The likes of Andrew Tate are having an horrendous influence on many young males.

That's true. Thankfully he's been charged with crimes in two different countries, so hopefully that'll diminish his influence somewhat.
Though the internet generally is a vast lawless place and extremes of everything are given space and oxygen, very often to female detriment. It's pretty scary.

GreenAppleCrumble · 13/03/2024 21:32

IntermittentFarting · 13/03/2024 21:16

It absolutely was misogynistic! The insults themselves not inherently; but the way they were used against women for having the temerity to disagree definitely was.
I reject the patriarchy!

Misogyny is contempt/hatred towards women for being women - singling them out as women in some specific way, for ridicule or disdain.

It’s not just ‘disagreeing with someone who happens to be a woman’ even if the disagreeing is quite vehement.

Those were not misogynistic comments- just quite abrasive ones.

GreenAppleCrumble · 13/03/2024 21:34

Mouldyfoodhelp · 13/03/2024 21:28

Not sure why there seems to be people who think anything pointing out something about a woman even in an innocent way is misogynistic.

Let's say the woman is behind so what? How's it woman hating?

You might find it helpful to read the thread - genuinely.

IntermittentFarting · 13/03/2024 21:42

GreenAppleCrumble · 13/03/2024 21:32

Misogyny is contempt/hatred towards women for being women - singling them out as women in some specific way, for ridicule or disdain.

It’s not just ‘disagreeing with someone who happens to be a woman’ even if the disagreeing is quite vehement.

Those were not misogynistic comments- just quite abrasive ones.

I know what misogyny is.

You yourself are quick to call other women misogynist for no other reason than disagreeing with you or taking the not unreasonable view that this stupid ad was essentially harmless.

GreenAppleCrumble · 13/03/2024 21:55

IntermittentFarting · 13/03/2024 21:42

I know what misogyny is.

You yourself are quick to call other women misogynist for no other reason than disagreeing with you or taking the not unreasonable view that this stupid ad was essentially harmless.

Well, if you know what it is, I’m surprised you think any old insult is misogyny 🤷‍♀️

It’s a fairly innocuous ad. But, hand on heart, my first reaction to it was ‘urghhh’ when I read the caption. I’m clearly not alone in this as CP themselves pulled the ad in the face of criticism.

People disagree- sure. Some people are more relaxed. Some people are ok with a tiny dose of misogyny. Some people are obtuse.

What I object to is the “No there is no sexism here of any kind how dare you, you crazy feminist.” What’s with that?

And that stance seems to be the gateway to a bizarre ‘No the world is not sexist any more” view. Now that is bollocks. That any woman would defend that viewpoint is insane and, also, maddening.

LancashireTart · 13/03/2024 21:56

GreenAppleCrumble · 13/03/2024 21:25

It isn’t perfect

And the prize for understatement of the year goes to…

Have you been living under a rock? Have you seen the investigations into, to pick one example, the vile culture of misogyny in the metropolitan police?

Not perfect! Fuck me.

And what on earth makes you think that your brainless minimising helps the situation? You’re saying it’s worse to be on the lookout for misogynistic bullshit??

I am furious, yes. I own it. But I’ve every reason to be. It’s the small stuff - the little sexist dig here and there, the ‘laddish’ jokes - that lead to the toxic culture we have.

I’ve admitted the sexism here is mild - even undetectable to some. But then some people don’t see any sexism in the traditional Disney princess movies.

But to flat out deny there’s even a trace of sexism is bonkers.

Even that I’d let go I suppose. But your silly, childish comments that all that flagrant sexism is in the past is fucking ridiculous. Less than 40 years ago, the prevailing view in this country was that a woman couldn’t refuse her husband sex. And you think, because a law was passed, it was all fine and dandy the next day - everyone had forgotten that women had no bodily autonomy yesterday and men and women lived as equals, the end.

Blimey.

Your dogged refusal to admit we still live in a thoroughly sexist works blows my mind. It shows me just how much bullshit there is to unpick.

As I’ve said, I am furious- not about the CP advert, but about all the closet misogynists it’s brought out.

I claimed you were angry. Perhaps that’s wrong. I couldn’t see any other way to account for this bizarre defence of the advert. You can see why it matters to me that people are on the lookout for sexism. Why does it matter so deeply to you to get people to agree there’s no sexism? What’s in it for you?

You need help. Seriously.

GreenAppleCrumble · 13/03/2024 22:06

Ok @LancashireTart . If it makes you feel better- yeah, I’m crazy, I need help.

Just read my previous post and try to see where I’m coming from.

If you’re arguing that the world isn’t sexist ‘any more’ I think possibly you need a reality check.

The world is sexist as fuck. Every tiny little pinprick of contempt for women is part of the bigger picture. For god’s sake open your eyes.

I know you want to argue - or at least to have a pop at me (as you seem all out of constructive points) but just have a think. I am patronising you, yes, but you seem to need it.

Have a good one.

LancashireTart · 13/03/2024 22:09

Mouldyfoodhelp · 13/03/2024 21:28

Not sure why there seems to be people who think anything pointing out something about a woman even in an innocent way is misogynistic.

Let's say the woman is behind so what? How's it woman hating?

It isn't misogynistic or women-hating. Unfortunately, these kinds of threads always bring out the emotional masochists.