To think Center Parcs should be ashamed of this

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I think it may have been deleted now, but not before Center Parcs hid or deleted comments pointing out the stereotyping and misogyny of this Facebook post...
One comment I saw said mum's not keeping up because of all the shopping, cooking, washing and organising she had to before the family got to sodding Center Parcs in the first place. And she's riding a shite bike they've given her

@ButWhatAboutTheBees but none of those adverts reference dad not doing something or keeping up.

@crumblingschools Daddy pig has played that role for the past 20 years though! He is more well known and well referenced than any advert.

🤡Okey dokey.

Not going to engage with this bullshit. Read the ‘do men hate women’ thread if you actually want to learn something.

Jesus.

For goodness sake quit the patronising crap "Welcome to planet Earth" and you may get more women on side.

No one, not me or anyone else, has claimed that advertising and the media more generally isn't riddled with sexism and misogyny. It absolutely is. Appallingly so. This is news to no one.

But looking for things to complain about and screeching "sexism!" round every corner really doesn't help the cause; it rather diminishes it. There are loads of hugely unequal and discriminatory issues facing women, many of which you've highlighted. Kicking up a stink and complaining about sexism where it was likely unintentional - if, indeed, it's there at all - means it's more difficult to be taken seriously where it does matter.
Also, if women differ in their opinions on whether something is sexist/misogynistic then they differ; it's not the case, as you've said earlier, that if only every woman was as well read as you they'd share your exact opinion on how feminism should be done. They won't.

My daughters are doing fine, thank you.

Do you people ever have a day off from being offended by literally nothing? Are you not exhausted by constantly trying to find offence in everything?

Recognising sexism is not being offended. I’m not offended. I’ve repeatedly pointed out that it’s normal - misogynistic and normal.

No, there's never a day off from the madness on mumsnet!

It's a bit patronising but I think they should be more ashamed of there prices!

But looking for things to complain about and screeching "sexism!" round every corner really doesn't help the cause; it rather diminishes it.

Noticing things is not ‘looking for things to complain about.’ It’s literally impossible not to see sexism once you’re alive to it.

And I think you’re very much mistaken about the importance of calling it out. Every Single Time. Even if it’s borderline. It doesn’t diminish the cause - quite the opposite. Zero tolerance is the best way.

Men have proved they will do whatever they can get away with. Women constantly have to push.

Nice use of ‘screeching’ by the way. Did you realise you were using misogynistic language? Maybe not. It’s endemic. It’s baked in.

If you look at those adverts all the captions show the things you can do, positive messages, fun messages, the only one that hints at someone not being very good at something is the one targeted at mum

@IntermittentFarting

as you've said earlier, that if only every woman was as well read as you they'd share your exact opinion on how feminism should be done.

Pretty sure I didn’t say this? Where?

I was paraphrasing. What you wrote was:

I would ask you this: do you agree that women (as a class, not me as an individual 🙄) have been systematically oppressed by men throughout history?
If ‘yes’ - well, you are part of the way to understanding why it’s perfectly justified to scrutinise the way women are portrayed in media and advertising because the odds are there’s some misogyny afoot.

If ‘no’, I suggest it’s back to school with you to learn some history.

I don't entirely disagree, but it did smack of "if you knew as much as me you'd see I was right"

Oh, please. Classic straw-clutching. The vast majority of that is utter bollocks.

Except you're not recognising sexism. You can't, because it simply doesn't exist in this case. You're simply looking for it, whether that's subconsciously or not. Either way, it isn't healthy.

Brilliant post. 👏

Nice use of ‘screeching’ by the way. Did you realise you were using misogynistic language? Maybe not. It’s endemic. It’s baked in.

For goodness sake, "screeching" is not misogynistic language. Owls screech, tyres screech, cats screech, men screech, women screech.
Again, you're turning on other women by accusing me of misogyny. Playing right into the patriarchy's hands. Divide and conquer.

Asthmatic and overweight. There are not many people I can keep up with

How often do people describe men as being screechy?

There are always exceptions, but in general the statistics show otherwise for the UK.

What exactly is your problem? I’ve suggested that it is very possible to read a sexist tone in that advert. It’s true; it’s perfectly possible to see that. I mean, have you never ventured an interpretation of any text? Equally, it’s possible to argue that it’s innocent as the driven snow (plausible deniability and all that). So I’m being open-minded, but what I won’t accept is that there’s definitely no way that there’s anything sexist about it grrrrr which seems to be your wild and angry assertion. Given that we live in a world saturated with sexism, yours seems a bold claim.

I just can’t understand why women calling out potential sexism throws you into such paroxysms of rage.

😂😂😂Sure. Me calling out misogynistic language is me doing Patriarchy.

Oh men screech! I'm thinking drill sergeants at new recruits, overexcited sports commentators... death metal vocalists definitely screech!

It wasn't misogynistic language. You were, again, telling a woman she was feministing wrong. It's your way or it's wrong.

It's simple, those offended should clearly boycott center parcs... don't think anyone would miss them 😉

Just catching up with your nonsense - hence the run of posts. Couldn’t let this slip through; you apparently live in a different world from the rest of us. Literally every thing on my list is based in fact.

You must be on the wind-up. No one can be this dim.

In Britain, women only got the vote just over 100 years ago. In all of time up to (and beyond) that point, women were in law less than men. Women’s bodies were their husbands property in law within my lifetime (marital rape not a crime until early 90s). This shit is still current in other countries. Do you really think millennia of men building a world for themselves with women as their support humans has been undone in, what, a century? I’m sorry if I’m patronising you, but you seem to know nothing.

Cultural and societal change is slow. Those attitudes to the sexes are absolutely hardwired in. They are sewn into the fabric of our language, literature, culture, family. They shine through in art and cinema. And definitely, definitely advertising.

We’ve made progress, sure; compare adverts now to 70s adverts and you’ll definitely see that.

But when an advert has the opportunity to not flirt with lazy stereotypes of women, it should definitely take that opportunity.

And when some women (the ones paying most attention) suggest that, all things considered, that ad might have been better if it had not (even inadvertently) borrowed from a tedious misogynistic stereotype, then maybe it’s better not to jump up and down shouting that there definitely isn’t any sexism. Are the men paying you for this or something?