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Tory donor openly states Dianne Abbot should be shot..

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VestibuleVirgin · 12/03/2024 07:15

Frank Hestor reportedly said: “It’s like trying not to be racist but you see Diane Abbott on the TV, and you’re just like… you just want to hate all black women because she’s there.
“And I don’t hate all black women at all, but I think she should be shot.
“(The executive) and Diane Abbott need to be shot.”
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/frank-hester-tory-donor-diane-abbott-comments-black-women-labour-b1144631.html

Abominable, disgusting. Aibu to be incecsed by this?
Money allows all sorts of behaviours apparently, particularly if you give a lot of it to a political party.

Tory donor Frank Hester apologises over 'reprehensible' comments about Diane Abbott

Frank Hester has admitted making ‘rude’ comments about the politician but said they had ‘nothing to do with her gender nor colour of skin’

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/frank-hester-tory-donor-diane-abbott-comments-black-women-labour-b1144631.html

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Clavinova · 12/03/2024 21:28

L1ttledrummergirl · 12/03/2024 21:25

I'm still missing your point @Clavinova.
If you aren't victim blaming, to minimise racism, why are constantly referring to remarks made by others?

The deflection minimises something that should never be deemed acceptable.

I'm missing your point - I'm not victim blaming at all.

BIossomtoes · 12/03/2024 21:28

ilovesooty · 12/03/2024 21:20

What relevance does the issue of women's spaces have to this discussion? That's a derail and then some.

Par for the course though. It’s nearly impossible to get through a thread without the trans issue being introduced regardless of relevance.

scorpiogirly · 12/03/2024 21:28

ilovesooty · 12/03/2024 21:27

People who hold those views on gender identity that you don't like are not voicing them on this thread. You're derailing and being deliberately provocative.

Not at all. I'm just saying. We may agree on many things but I'd never care to find out.

pointythings · 12/03/2024 21:29

@scorpiogirly you posted that meme because you wanted it to be true. That's all anyone needs to know.

ilovesooty · 12/03/2024 21:30

scorpiogirly · 12/03/2024 21:28

Not at all. I'm just saying. We may agree on many things but I'd never care to find out.

You're denying that you're derailing by bringing issues in to the thread that are irrelevant to the discussion?

BIossomtoes · 12/03/2024 21:30

pointythings · 12/03/2024 21:29

@scorpiogirly you posted that meme because you wanted it to be true. That's all anyone needs to know.

This.

scorpiogirly · 12/03/2024 21:31

BIossomtoes · 12/03/2024 21:28

Par for the course though. It’s nearly impossible to get through a thread without the trans issue being introduced regardless of relevance.

Nothing to do with the trans issue. I'm saying I do not hold anything anyone says who holds those views in high regard. My point was, it is usually the far far left who support that shit as well as being up in arms about anyone who dares to say they don't like a far far left politician.

ilovesooty · 12/03/2024 21:31

BIossomtoes · 12/03/2024 21:28

Par for the course though. It’s nearly impossible to get through a thread without the trans issue being introduced regardless of relevance.

Exactly. This shoehorning is tiresome and not even subtle.

bombastix · 12/03/2024 21:31

@scorpiogirly - you were challenged and rightly so. I like to remind you, because your instinct was to label Abbott and ask questions later.

fleurneige · 12/03/2024 21:32

scorpiogirly · 12/03/2024 21:16

Firstly, I wasn't forced to apologise for sharing a meme I didn't know was fake at the time of posting, I chose to apologise.

Secondly, just from the replies I've had just now, they seem very hostile. Nobody can 'see through me', you can't even begin to know me. And some or the replies are very rich coming from someone who thinks my 5 Yr old daughter should be forced to share spaces with a person who has a penis. I don't know where uou far lefters get your thinking from.

Of course your comments on several issues tell us a massive lot about you and your 'values'.

scorpiogirly · 12/03/2024 21:32

BIossomtoes · 12/03/2024 21:30

This.

Oh I did so hope it was true 😄 Ridiculous.

LadyKenya · 12/03/2024 21:32

scorpiogirly · 12/03/2024 21:27

Because at the time of finding it, I thought it to be true. It was not surprising to come across that considering her historical racism and antisemitism.

That still does not answer the question of why you decided to post that, on this thread talking about the appalling, disgusting things that a Tory donor has said about her, does it? So are you going to answer or just post more whataboutery? Mmmm let me guess.....

scorpiogirly · 12/03/2024 21:33

bombastix · 12/03/2024 21:31

@scorpiogirly - you were challenged and rightly so. I like to remind you, because your instinct was to label Abbott and ask questions later.

Well aside from the fake quote, she is a racist and antisemite.

Maggiethecat · 12/03/2024 21:33

BIossomtoes · 12/03/2024 21:30

This.

100%
And probably very disappointed that it’s been discredited.

cakeorwine · 12/03/2024 21:33

scorpiogirly · 12/03/2024 21:31

Nothing to do with the trans issue. I'm saying I do not hold anything anyone says who holds those views in high regard. My point was, it is usually the far far left who support that shit as well as being up in arms about anyone who dares to say they don't like a far far left politician.

You might not like her - but I am sure you recognise that the comments made by Hester were racist and you can separate your feelings about her and the comments made.

(I haven't read the full thread - maybe you've said that)

midgetastic · 12/03/2024 21:34

There are some foul people out there , horrid racist sexist people

Poor woman how could she not be affected by the crap thrown at her

scorpiogirly · 12/03/2024 21:35

cakeorwine · 12/03/2024 21:33

You might not like her - but I am sure you recognise that the comments made by Hester were racist and you can separate your feelings about her and the comments made.

(I haven't read the full thread - maybe you've said that)

The comments were vile and racist. Do I believe they were racially motivated though? No.

bombastix · 12/03/2024 21:35

@scorpiogirly / but that was not the question or the topic at hand.

If I am a racist, does this negate any racism towards me? The answer is no, btw.

Clavinova · 12/03/2024 21:35

Alexandra2001
How about you start another thread on Labour and 2023?
...instead of your usual nonsense of diversion

I wasn't the one who started posting about allegations of corruption and sexual abuse/MPs stepping down - pointythings diverted the thread - I'm allowed to reply to her post.

Redundantrobin · 12/03/2024 21:36

BIossomtoes · 12/03/2024 21:30

This.

yup.

wanted it to be true so much that they didn’t bother questioning the source.

If you can’t see that anyone retweeting Stephen Yaxley-Lennon isn’t a reliable source of information on a black woman, you’re either not paying attention or you don’t care about truth.

Maggiethecat · 12/03/2024 21:36

scorpiogirly · 12/03/2024 21:33

Well aside from the fake quote, she is a racist and antisemite.

So not ridiculous for someone to say that you hoped the meme was true…
Think you need to have a lie down.

scorpiogirly · 12/03/2024 21:38

Maggiethecat · 12/03/2024 21:36

So not ridiculous for someone to say that you hoped the meme was true…
Think you need to have a lie down.

I'm fine love. I'm glad this thread is giving people something to get the pulse racing in their otherwise boring lives.

Dymaxion · 12/03/2024 21:38

It will be interesting to see how Starmer handles this tomorrow, given Diane still has the whip removed.

BIossomtoes · 12/03/2024 21:39

scorpiogirly · 12/03/2024 21:35

The comments were vile and racist. Do I believe they were racially motivated though? No.

How can something racist not be racially motivated? How exactly does that work?

Maggiethecat · 12/03/2024 21:39

scorpiogirly · 12/03/2024 21:35

The comments were vile and racist. Do I believe they were racially motivated though? No.

Sooooo, just separate the comments from the man.
”I’m not racist I just make racist comments”
You really need to lie down.

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