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To ask that teacher changes seating arrangements. [TItle edited by MNHQ on request of the OP]

103 replies

Usernumber46463746284737383 · 09/03/2024 19:01

Hi all, I’d like to say I’m usually not a parent who rocks up to the school telling the teacher what to do. However, I feel like maybe in this case I will have to.

basically dd 9 is in a class which is pretty challenging in general. There’s a few children with behavioural needs and some with SEN - including my daughter who has Sen herself. They seem to change their seating arrangements every couple months.

anyway, dd used to have a friend who she was pretty close to although I always thought said friend was pretty toxic but when younger a lot went over DD’s head. She would say nasty things and not let dd play with others. I believe she prayed on dd’s vulnerabilities and dd didn’t see the bad in said friend at the time. That was until last year when it all went too far and dd started noticing more and more. Her friend started nit picking about everything with dd, my usually happy confident child was a shell of herself coming home sobbing for hours, she was being bullied. She was being bullied by said friend but it wasn’t the usual stuff, it was more subtle and it was happening outside of school too - they live around the corner. Her ‘friend’ would make fun of her constantly. I won’t go into detail but it was bad. She would also steal DD’s stuff.

dd herself is such a lovely, kind girl, I’m not just saying that because she’s mine but she won an award for her kindness last year, an award only one child in the school receive each year. She’s a great kid, she has her struggles academically and other things but generally she loved school but after the bullying got bad from this one girl she started hating going.

I know the mum but I kept it mostly within school with the teacher who wasn’t very helpful but he encouraged dd to pursue new friendships and she’s got close to a few girls in her class which is great and they regularly have play dates and she’s been a lot happier the last month or so but she’s recently had a MH assessment due to high anxiety levels and a lot of the anxiety comes down to the bully child/ex friend which was picked up on by the lady doing the assessment. the only time I spoke to the mum about is when she approached me saying how her dd is upset as my dd won’t speak to hers anymore - I said you need to speak to your daughter and ask her why that is and left it to that.

anyway, their teacher has sat them together in class and I’m not happy. I mean he knows the girl is a bully so why?! I know someone has to sit next to her however I think she makes a beeline for dd to bully rather than anyone else.

the girl is kicking dd under the table on purpose and distracting dd. Dd is a compliant girl at school and has never had to stay in at break until she’s been sat down next to this girl. I think she’s becoming frustrated and distracted and not getting any work done (she needs help academically as she’s dyslexic and has learning & speech delays). She says the girl purposely flings her hair into her knowing she doesn’t like it (dd has sensory needs), she takes her stuff and chucks it and just nitpicks at dd constantly and makes fun that dd often needs support from a TA and told dd ‘she can’t read properly’. Dd said she picked up the girls pencil for her and she got kicked. She’s also very loud and shouts in her ear. I mean why isn’t the teacher seeing this?! She’s also commented on DD’s appearance a few times. Dd is beautiful, she’s a red head like me and gets called ginger amongst other things like a scar dd has etc.

anyway, sorry this is long. I wanted to moan. This is just a small part of it. It would be too long to talk about everything that’s happened. I’ve kept a log of all incidents though.

shall I demand they are separated? I don’t think the girl is like this with others or maybe she is 🤷‍♀️

OP posts:
napody · 09/03/2024 19:02

Well you can request, you have no basis to 'demand' things like seating plan changes. But seems a reasonable request given that it sounds as if she's bullying your daughter!

BeaRF75 · 09/03/2024 19:04

You don't "demand" anything of a professional trying to do their job, for goodness sake.

Mylobsterteapot · 09/03/2024 19:04

Please don’t demand, but if you go in calmly and tell the teacher all this, and ask him/her what he/she could do, I’m sure a seating change will occur. Or just politely. Demanding things is rude.

Sirzy · 09/03/2024 19:05

You can talk to the teacher and raise concerns. You can’t demand anything.

Goldenmemories · 09/03/2024 19:05

I'm a teacher and I'd very more likely to help you if you politely asked.

WallaceinAnderland · 09/03/2024 19:06

You can't demand. You can ask.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 09/03/2024 19:07

I would just ask for an appointment or telephone call from the teacher; explain fully and make a request they not be sat together any more x

Rumbunctious · 09/03/2024 19:08

I’d be very surprised if any teacher was unaware of kicking under the table, hair flicking, a child being loud etc. I’d suggest having a meeting with the teacher in the first instance to discuss your concerns and not demanding anything.

Zoombaroomba · 09/03/2024 19:09

'Demand' is very inflammatory language - just politely ask, I'm sure it won't be a problem!

BCBird · 09/03/2024 19:11

Teacher here. U can demand, but this will get you nowhere. Sometimes pupils themselves ask to be separated from.people and if I can I will comply. If u ask and explain u are more likely to get a positive response

Usernumber46463746284737383 · 09/03/2024 19:12

I used the term demand loosely. I’m not going to go in demanding! I will be polite 💗💗

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mushforbrain · 09/03/2024 19:12

Another one not understanding the need to ‘demand’ anything. Just politely ask. Do you often make demands of people rather than saying ‘is it ok please if…’
or is this just for teachers? Why the difference?

KidneyWarrior · 09/03/2024 19:12

Hi, I'd appreciate knowing if there was a problem between two pupils. Kids can't learn if they don't feel safe and comfortable. Maybe don't frame it as a demand, but let him know - he may think their relationship has improved.

SandyY2K · 09/03/2024 19:13

You don't DEMAND.
You request.

BookArt · 09/03/2024 19:13

I came to tell you how outrageously wrong you are after reading the title.

But your reasoning is clear and understandable, as a teacher I would make the change.

However your delivery needs to be calm, polite and not demanding in any way. Demanding is not the way to access the support your daughter needs. For that, you are unreasonable.

Treat the adult with respect.

Usernumber46463746284737383 · 09/03/2024 19:13

Dd would not ask herself which is partly the issue… she also wouldn’t speak up at school! I have to advocate for her..

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mushforbrain · 09/03/2024 19:15

I’ve made the same request before and it was all sorted from a simple and polite email explaining the reasons. Moved the next day, not a problem.

GreyBlackLove · 09/03/2024 19:15

It's a reasonable thing to request, but as well as the seating change it sounds like you need to speak to the teacher either way. Your daughter should not be kicked or teased regardless of where she sits and the teacher needs to be made aware the bullying continues.

Usernumber46463746284737383 · 09/03/2024 19:16

Please don’t be alarmed. The word demand was used incorrectly by me. I’m not going to go in shouting the odds - that’s really not me. I generally have a good working relationship (if they right thing to say) with the school with both dc - they both have Sen!

I just don’t want to get back to the point where dd won’t go school again as she is sobbing, pretending she’s sick every day and refusing to get out of bed. The teacher is aware of this too and I have a record of emails sent etc.

I am not an asshole, honestly I’m not ☺️

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Bournetilly · 09/03/2024 19:18

Yes of course you should ask for them to be separated you can’t allow your daughter to be treated like that.

Usernumber46463746284737383 · 09/03/2024 19:18

Also, thanks all. I’m generally the parent who lets the teacher get on with it but will speak up where needed which until this year has not been often! I’m a reasonable person 😊 I’m not confrontational at all!

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PreppingForSchool · 09/03/2024 19:20

Why do you have to demand it? Why can't people just be more polite? I'm sure the teacher would separate them if they can. But demanding sounds so inappropriate. It's just unnecessary to use such language. If you send an email with demands rather than polite requests the school won't react as well.

Can you make an appointment with the teacher to discuss the situation in general? Sounds like your daughter is having a tough time.

Usernumber46463746284737383 · 09/03/2024 19:20

The teacher is great generally but what I will say is that when I’ve mentioned the issues teacher will say that all kids fall out and make up and can be dismissive but I believe it’s a lot deeper with dd and this girl. This girl is a bully, very much like her mum was, we went to the same school and she was known to be a nightmare!

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IncompleteSenten · 09/03/2024 19:21

I wonder if the other mother has gone in.

Usernumber46463746284737383 · 09/03/2024 19:22

I am polite honestly! I worded it wrong! Already had lots of contact with teacher but teacher can be dismissive as above.

said girl used to beeline for dd when teacher was out of view in the playground or on the way home out the school gates!

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