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To ask that teacher changes seating arrangements. [TItle edited by MNHQ on request of the OP]

103 replies

Usernumber46463746284737383 · 09/03/2024 19:01

Hi all, I’d like to say I’m usually not a parent who rocks up to the school telling the teacher what to do. However, I feel like maybe in this case I will have to.

basically dd 9 is in a class which is pretty challenging in general. There’s a few children with behavioural needs and some with SEN - including my daughter who has Sen herself. They seem to change their seating arrangements every couple months.

anyway, dd used to have a friend who she was pretty close to although I always thought said friend was pretty toxic but when younger a lot went over DD’s head. She would say nasty things and not let dd play with others. I believe she prayed on dd’s vulnerabilities and dd didn’t see the bad in said friend at the time. That was until last year when it all went too far and dd started noticing more and more. Her friend started nit picking about everything with dd, my usually happy confident child was a shell of herself coming home sobbing for hours, she was being bullied. She was being bullied by said friend but it wasn’t the usual stuff, it was more subtle and it was happening outside of school too - they live around the corner. Her ‘friend’ would make fun of her constantly. I won’t go into detail but it was bad. She would also steal DD’s stuff.

dd herself is such a lovely, kind girl, I’m not just saying that because she’s mine but she won an award for her kindness last year, an award only one child in the school receive each year. She’s a great kid, she has her struggles academically and other things but generally she loved school but after the bullying got bad from this one girl she started hating going.

I know the mum but I kept it mostly within school with the teacher who wasn’t very helpful but he encouraged dd to pursue new friendships and she’s got close to a few girls in her class which is great and they regularly have play dates and she’s been a lot happier the last month or so but she’s recently had a MH assessment due to high anxiety levels and a lot of the anxiety comes down to the bully child/ex friend which was picked up on by the lady doing the assessment. the only time I spoke to the mum about is when she approached me saying how her dd is upset as my dd won’t speak to hers anymore - I said you need to speak to your daughter and ask her why that is and left it to that.

anyway, their teacher has sat them together in class and I’m not happy. I mean he knows the girl is a bully so why?! I know someone has to sit next to her however I think she makes a beeline for dd to bully rather than anyone else.

the girl is kicking dd under the table on purpose and distracting dd. Dd is a compliant girl at school and has never had to stay in at break until she’s been sat down next to this girl. I think she’s becoming frustrated and distracted and not getting any work done (she needs help academically as she’s dyslexic and has learning & speech delays). She says the girl purposely flings her hair into her knowing she doesn’t like it (dd has sensory needs), she takes her stuff and chucks it and just nitpicks at dd constantly and makes fun that dd often needs support from a TA and told dd ‘she can’t read properly’. Dd said she picked up the girls pencil for her and she got kicked. She’s also very loud and shouts in her ear. I mean why isn’t the teacher seeing this?! She’s also commented on DD’s appearance a few times. Dd is beautiful, she’s a red head like me and gets called ginger amongst other things like a scar dd has etc.

anyway, sorry this is long. I wanted to moan. This is just a small part of it. It would be too long to talk about everything that’s happened. I’ve kept a log of all incidents though.

shall I demand they are separated? I don’t think the girl is like this with others or maybe she is 🤷‍♀️

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Usernumber46463746284737383 · 09/03/2024 19:23

IncompleteSenten · 09/03/2024 19:21

I wonder if the other mother has gone in.

I’m not sure what you mean exactly but I expect she has. She doesn’t seem to see the issues and seems to be a parent who thinks their child does no wrong! I think her dd tells her they my dd is mean by ignoring her but dd just wants to distance herself.

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 09/03/2024 19:23

A child’s life is being made an absolute misery by a bully, and demanding she is moved is excessive language?

Generally speaking I advocate polite requests, but in this case, given that the teacher knows about the bullying and has still sat @Usernumber46463746284737383‘s dd next to her bully, I do not see anything wrong with saying “I refuse to have my child sat next to the child who is bullying them!”

Leonarda89 · 09/03/2024 19:27

I agree that demand might not have been the right choice of words but if a polite request doesn't work I would be insisting. Any anxiety intervention won't work while bullying is still on going and the school has a responsibility to make sure this doesn't happen.

mummyh2016 · 09/03/2024 19:27

You don't need to demand. You ask and unless the teacher is being unreasonable I can't see why it would be an issue.

Usernumber46463746284737383 · 09/03/2024 19:28

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 09/03/2024 19:23

A child’s life is being made an absolute misery by a bully, and demanding she is moved is excessive language?

Generally speaking I advocate polite requests, but in this case, given that the teacher knows about the bullying and has still sat @Usernumber46463746284737383‘s dd next to her bully, I do not see anything wrong with saying “I refuse to have my child sat next to the child who is bullying them!”

Thank you, there was a point I was emailing teacher every damn morning or after school about issues with the girl! I probably drove him mad but I feared that it was going unnoticed at school as dd wouldn’t speak up plus the girl was clever enough to ask nice around adults (I’ve witnessed this myself outside of school).

she has stolen dd’s stuff before and she would also take dd’s coat, scarf, toys, hat etc and run off with them chucking them in the mud or over a fence or up high. The mum said ‘she’s just playing’ when she witnessed this on occasion.

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PinkIcedCream · 09/03/2024 19:28

Yes, speak to the teacher.

I had to do this in the first term of secondary school. I spoke to the head of year and she was very receptive and happy to resolve the problem.

Be clear about what the issues are and how it's affecting your child.

I had to speak to the HoY again this year when there was some low level bullying and she's been very receptive and the situation seems under control for now.

BananaSpanner · 09/03/2024 19:30

Can’t believe that people are making so much of the OPs choice of phrase after reading all that. What on earth has possessed the teacher to put them together? I wouldn’t be tip toeing around this.

Henryhover · 09/03/2024 19:40

SEN TA here 👋 i'd suggest talking to the class teacher of your concerns with regarding having your DD seating next to this pupil. We all want what's best for our pupils so if you're concerned about distractions and kicking etc and think it can effect their education then definitely talk to the teacher monday morning!

The teacher probably isn't aware or has forgotten about the situation, trust me it happens.. all my pupils are soo active and constantly on the go so it can easily happen.

Henryhover · 09/03/2024 19:43

Sorry OP I must of miss some comments.

If it's already been brought to the attention of the teacher then I'd take it straight to the head teacher, if then nothing I'd then take it to the school governors

IncompleteSenten · 09/03/2024 19:45

Usernumber46463746284737383 · 09/03/2024 19:23

I’m not sure what you mean exactly but I expect she has. She doesn’t seem to see the issues and seems to be a parent who thinks their child does no wrong! I think her dd tells her they my dd is mean by ignoring her but dd just wants to distance herself.

Sorry. I meant I wondered if she'd gone and complained and that's why they've changed it. Because you said she approached you about them not playing together I think you said.

ASighMadeOfStone · 09/03/2024 19:49

I agree with @SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius (and it's very lovely to see you around, I don't come across you very often and am serial name changer)

Yes, I would demand. Abso-fucking-lutely.
I've been a teacher since 1994.

PTSDBarbiegirl · 09/03/2024 19:53

Request the teachers support with something that's having a big impact on DD at home and say you'd really value their advice as professionals ..... She'll be moved.

Usernumber46463746284737383 · 09/03/2024 19:53

@IncompleteSenten oh yes I get you, tbf she approached me a few months ago now so it wasn’t recent! She is always speaking to the teacher at drop off moaning about something herself whereas I try and drop and go (I email instead). I believe the teachers moved the seating plan around every couple months!

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DragonGypsyDoris · 09/03/2024 19:54

TL:DR. Don't be that parent, you can't demand anything. You don't know all the dynamics in that class.

Usernumber46463746284737383 · 09/03/2024 19:57

PTSDBarbiegirl · 09/03/2024 19:53

Request the teachers support with something that's having a big impact on DD at home and say you'd really value their advice as professionals ..... She'll be moved.

Thank you, dd recently seen the school mental nurse, she works around a few local schools I think! I’m hoping to mention it to her as she sees dd weekly and she might have more power with the school too as from the first session she said it was obvious that this girl was causing a large chunk of the anxiety. I also forgot to mention that dd can be unsteady on her feet and this girl will purposely run uk behind her, make dd jump and shove her forward and dd has to try stop herself falling (she has motor skill issues too). The school are aware of all this.

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tittybumbum · 09/03/2024 19:57

BeaRF75 · 09/03/2024 19:04

You don't "demand" anything of a professional trying to do their job, for goodness sake.

Placing a suspected bully next to her victim doesn't sound very professional

ichifanny · 09/03/2024 19:58

I’d say you can actually demand that teachers dont sit your child next to an another child who has a track record of bullying her and physically assaulting her .

Usernumber46463746284737383 · 09/03/2024 20:01

DragonGypsyDoris · 09/03/2024 19:54

TL:DR. Don't be that parent, you can't demand anything. You don't know all the dynamics in that class.

I can assure you that I’m not a nightmare parent and my wording was wrong but I will advocate for my children, having two with SEN it means I have to speak up a lot. I don’t know the dynamics of the class but I do know how much my daughters mental health is being effected, so much so she’s seeing someone weekly about her anxiety. My daughter was happy & confident this time last year, the bullying got bad and it’s really knocked her down.

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TheZeppo · 09/03/2024 20:04

The use of the word demand is going to get backs up. You clearly didn’t mean that- can you request your title is edited? Might help stop people jumping on you!

I think you’re completely reasonable- both your request and your responses here- you’ve been very gracious to people jumping on that word!

I’m a teacher and would absolutely move them in these circumstances 😊

PTSDBarbiegirl · 09/03/2024 20:04

The best outcome is opposite ends of the room, with your DD being able to see the girl from the back. This puts your DD in a better position and cuts down opportunities for the girl to make faces etc. Many schools don't have tables and chairs anymore, esp in play focused setting. Could be related to the set up of the room but confiding in staff and asking for their help works.

Wecomeone · 09/03/2024 20:04

I've had two parents in the last week 'demanding' I change the seating plan.
It is already a logistical nightmare making a seating plan - it takes around half an hour per class now! The SEND kids need to sit near the board, then naughty kids need to be separated from each other, then other kids can't be sat near eachother for pastoral reasons. Another kid needs to sit by the door because of anxiety. Another needs to sit away from the window because of sensory issues. Another needs to sit at the back because they don't like people staring at them. Add in parental 'requests' and it's damn impossible!

WonderingWanda · 09/03/2024 20:04

You could just try asking first. Let the teacher know dd is unhappy, that's usually enough in my experience as a parent and certainly enough as a teacher. No need for all guns blazing demands at this point ffs, the teacher isn't a bloody mind reader!!!

Usernumber46463746284737383 · 09/03/2024 20:08

Wecomeone · 09/03/2024 20:04

I've had two parents in the last week 'demanding' I change the seating plan.
It is already a logistical nightmare making a seating plan - it takes around half an hour per class now! The SEND kids need to sit near the board, then naughty kids need to be separated from each other, then other kids can't be sat near eachother for pastoral reasons. Another kid needs to sit by the door because of anxiety. Another needs to sit away from the window because of sensory issues. Another needs to sit at the back because they don't like people staring at them. Add in parental 'requests' and it's damn impossible!

Oh I totally get that and sympathise. I know it’s not easy teaching and think teachers are fantastic. It just seemed daft to me they were put together when the school know the severity of the issues between them. There’s a few Sen kids in the class and they are generally a lovely bunch of kids and parents bar this one child that beelines dd. I’ve never requested anything like it before. They used to sit together in younger years without too much of an issue but then it went sour.

I had dd crying last week as she didn’t want to be in the same group as her for a task and now she’s right next to her so we’ve skipped back into school refusal etc!

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Usernumber46463746284737383 · 09/03/2024 20:15

WonderingWanda · 09/03/2024 20:04

You could just try asking first. Let the teacher know dd is unhappy, that's usually enough in my experience as a parent and certainly enough as a teacher. No need for all guns blazing demands at this point ffs, the teacher isn't a bloody mind reader!!!

Not a mind reader but I have emailed many times about the issues and had dd refusing to go school a few times over it! ☺️

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Verdiencrew · 09/03/2024 20:17

BCBird · 09/03/2024 19:11

Teacher here. U can demand, but this will get you nowhere. Sometimes pupils themselves ask to be separated from.people and if I can I will comply. If u ask and explain u are more likely to get a positive response

So, you would keep a child sitting next to their bully, being physically hurt and upset everyday, because you didn’t like the way the parents brought it up with you?

Its no wonder there are so many children refusing to go to school.