AIBU to be shocked by the Irish referendum?

[Yetmorebeanstocount]

I'm not from the Irish Republic. I just read what the ballot was about. I am shocked at what their constitution contained:

Article 41.2.1° “In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.”
Article 41.2.2° “The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.”

I'm even more shocked that early results suggest the Irish have voted to KEEP this dire crap in their constitution.

Am I missing something?

Exactly - the protest vote will come soon enough with the General Election...

Exactly. The government underestimated the general public on this occasion

I'm annoyed that many schools were closed to facilitate voting and all around the country parents had to take a day leave because they had no childcare, lets face it the majority were women. Many had grand mothers step in. I thought this was a bit ironic!! If we really care about women families and carers we'd be organising polling stations elsewhere.

And on international women's day no less. 🙄

Is this really necessary? Do we need to insult people, whole countries full of people? To what ends?

For anyone who is interested,

The "family" referendum has been defeated with 67% voting no.

The "care" referendum result is expected later this evening with a strong no vote also anticipated.

So are you also outraged by the second post on this thread?

I agree people or countries full of people shouldn't be insulted. However, do you feel the same about the Irish being insulted? I didn't see you sticking up for the Irish when accused of being stuck in the 18th century. If you are against insulting people it should be across the board.

Anti-Irish sentiment is rife on Mumsnet and appears to be accepted by most. It shouldn't be.

Don't be shocked, the right decision was made, delighted with the result

I didn't say or assume the op was British. I said that the Irish are unlike the British in this regard.

If I was assuming the op's nationality I would have said "unlike you British".

It's merely a statement of fact. Do you deny the British did not know what brexit would look like when they voted for it?

And as pp's have said, if you're so concerned at countries being insulted, where is your outrage at the post stating Ireland is stuck in the 18th century?

That racist remark was deleted. How many complaints were made to have it deleted.

I've reported that comment, as I think it's disgraceful. Let's see if MN stand by their "Talk Guidelines" .... or is it OK if it's against those pesky Irish? 😡

Cross Post with @DublinFemale - thanks for the update! Glad to hear it.

We're ripe for the kicking, as ever.

I think that the general public in ireland were too afraid of change.

In.my opinion it's the wrong result.

But I respect the vote.

I'm in ireland

Can you really criticise the British over that when it has taken years for the Irish to legalise abortion? And that only to twelve weeks? Or gay marriage ..

To the British and irish people having goes at each other.

It's not always about nationality!

People worldwide are talking about irelands referendum today.

The op wherever she is from has taken an interest, and is allowed to talk about it.

Anti English comments are too. Just look at this thread.

Clearly i can.
And a lot more besides.
Youve some cheek.

Nope. I think we didn't want to say yes for yeses sake. I think caution is sensible when it comes to something as important as the constitution. And tbh, it's pretty insulting to insinuate we're 'afraid of change' when we have demonstrated how well able we are to deal with it in the last 20 years.

Sorry, what?

It had nothing to do with being afraid of change. If that were the case, repeal and marriage equality would not have been carried.

For most people I know who voted against them, it was due to the lack of clarity in the wording meaning that we have no idea of what the unintended consequences of voting yes would be.

Our constitution is a powerful document. If you don't know the impact of a change, the only sensibly vote is to vote against the change and wait on the opportunity to vote for a clearer version.

I don't condone anti Irish comments but anti English comments are unacceptable as well but rife on here.

I think the Irish public have proven many times that they are very open to change - divorce, gay marraige & abortion results prove same.

This result wasn't driven by a fear of change. It was driven by the lack of sufficiently acceptable wording proposed.

So far those critical of the result have cited fear of change, lack of understanding, an anti government stance, influence of far right etc. It's simply not true - it wasn't a good enough and clear enough proposal, supported by transparent legal explanation. If it had been it would hace been passed. There is an appetite for change but not an appetite for stupidity.

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Why cheek? Why didn't they abolish the abortion ban years ago? I am aware it is still difficult to get abortions in NI for example. Why can't I criticise that or is that racist?

I suspect that the Irish got burnt by the sneaking through of gender identity nonsense under the abortion and gay marriage referendums. They won't make the same mistake twice and good on them.