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AIBU to be shocked by the Irish referendum?

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Yetmorebeanstocount · 09/03/2024 16:17

I'm not from the Irish Republic. I just read what the ballot was about. I am shocked at what their constitution contained:

Article 41.2.1° “In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.”
Article 41.2.2° “The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.”

I'm even more shocked that early results suggest the Irish have voted to KEEP this dire crap in their constitution.

Am I missing something?

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Sashamalia · 09/03/2024 20:09

BonzoGates · 09/03/2024 17:01

Tugs forelock at our colonial overlords.

You don't run us anyone

That's nasty. And immature. Get out of the 1920s.

Did any UK female poster on here colonise ireland?

No they didn't.

All of the UK people who colonised ireland in the past, are all long dead!
What has it got to do with current UK people?

Sashamalia · 09/03/2024 20:11

Mittens1717 · 09/03/2024 19:23

Don't be shocked, the right decision was made, delighted with the result

I think it was the wrong decision personally.

januaryjan · 09/03/2024 20:11

Lovingitallnow · 09/03/2024 16:46

So in conclusion the no vote was rejecting the new language rather than because we're all mad to be barefoot housewives and glued to a stove.

😂

sashagabadon · 09/03/2024 20:13

i’m v pleased it failed and agree with the comments about being burned about gender self I’d being snuck in last time. Irish are right to be sure what they are voting for and they clearly weren’t!

Sashamalia · 09/03/2024 20:13

DublinFemale · 09/03/2024 18:02

We Irish are well versed in referendums and we are highly educated to the consequences of any changes.

We take seriously and say no if we have to.

I disagree that we are all well versed in referendums , particularly this one.

Most people that i know in ireland told me that they were going to vote no, because they hadn't a clue what the referendum was about.

Doteycat · 09/03/2024 20:13

WithACatLikeTread · 09/03/2024 20:09

Why cheek? Why didn't they abolish the abortion ban years ago? I am aware it is still difficult to get abortions in NI for example. Why can't I criticise that or is that racist?

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You cannot equate the unmitigated disaster that is Brexit with any if that
And also educate yourself. It was not an abortion referendum.
As we Irish know.
Because we take this stuff seriously and dont do protest votes and make sure we understand what we are being asked.
So dont even bother, your so called whataboutery holds no value.

DublinFemale · 09/03/2024 20:13

Sashamalia · 09/03/2024 20:01

I think that the general public in ireland were too afraid of change.

In.my opinion it's the wrong result.

But I respect the vote.

I'm in ireland

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I don't feel public are afraid of change.

That change was not adequate.

All Irish citizens are equal including anyone with a disability and they want to be independent.

NaomhPadraigin · 09/03/2024 20:14

Sashamalia · 09/03/2024 20:01

I think that the general public in ireland were too afraid of change.

In.my opinion it's the wrong result.

But I respect the vote.

I'm in ireland

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I think the reasons for such a large majority No are many and varied... some may have done it just to be anti-govt, some because they didn't understand what the change meant, and others because they didn't agree with it.... Perhaps some were afraid of change too, who knows?

Whatever the reasons people voted Yes or No, I do completely believe in the importance of democracy.

januaryjan · 09/03/2024 20:15

BonzoGates · 09/03/2024 17:01

Tugs forelock at our colonial overlords.

You don't run us anyone

😂😂

DanielGault · 09/03/2024 20:15

WithACatLikeTread · 09/03/2024 20:04

Can you really criticise the British over that when it has taken years for the Irish to legalise abortion? And that only to twelve weeks? Or gay marriage ..

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'the British' (not the man/woman in the street ) would really want to keep quiet in this regard given their government's historic abuse of our country. Who knows where we'd be now without the interference of 'the British'. But we have made monumental strides for equality in a very short time, for divorce, abortion and gay marriage, despite our setbacks.

WithACatLikeTread · 09/03/2024 20:17

DanielGault · 09/03/2024 20:15

'the British' (not the man/woman in the street ) would really want to keep quiet in this regard given their government's historic abuse of our country. Who knows where we'd be now without the interference of 'the British'. But we have made monumental strides for equality in a very short time, for divorce, abortion and gay marriage, despite our setbacks.

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To be fair I think it was Irish posters who brought Brexit into the thread presuming OP was British although I don't see that as an issue if they are interested in Irish politics.

Sashamalia · 09/03/2024 20:18

Doteycat · 09/03/2024 20:13

You cannot equate the unmitigated disaster that is Brexit with any if that
And also educate yourself. It was not an abortion referendum.
As we Irish know.
Because we take this stuff seriously and dont do protest votes and make sure we understand what we are being asked.
So dont even bother, your so called whataboutery holds no value.

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"As we irish know"

Jesus christ. Its not all about nationality.

It's about being human beings.

NaomhPadraigin · 09/03/2024 20:18

WithACatLikeTread · 09/03/2024 20:09

Why cheek? Why didn't they abolish the abortion ban years ago? I am aware it is still difficult to get abortions in NI for example. Why can't I criticise that or is that racist?

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You do know NI is part of the UK, right?

DanielGault · 09/03/2024 20:19

WithACatLikeTread · 09/03/2024 20:17

To be fair I think it was Irish posters who brought Brexit into the thread presuming OP was British although I don't see that as an issue if they are interested in Irish politics.

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I was talking to you specifically.

DanielGault · 09/03/2024 20:19

NaomhPadraigin · 09/03/2024 20:18

You do know NI is part of the UK, right?

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Seemingly not. Bless!

WithACatLikeTread · 09/03/2024 20:19

Doteycat · 09/03/2024 20:13

You cannot equate the unmitigated disaster that is Brexit with any if that
And also educate yourself. It was not an abortion referendum.
As we Irish know.
Because we take this stuff seriously and dont do protest votes and make sure we understand what we are being asked.
So dont even bother, your so called whataboutery holds no value.

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It was mentioned by Irish posters. Sounds like OP was simply interested but Irish posters have responded with Anti British/Anti English comments which is apparently okay (!).

WithACatLikeTread · 09/03/2024 20:20

NaomhPadraigin · 09/03/2024 20:18

You do know NI is part of the UK, right?

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Yes according to half the population. My thing is why is there anti English comments when there is no suggestion OP is English? Why do Irish posters feel that is okay? I will report anti Irish comments but I think anti English ones should be as well.

3luckystars · 09/03/2024 20:21

DanielGault · 09/03/2024 17:54

I'm really shocked at the lack of coverage of it on RTE. It's like they're already clearing up for round two. And quite furious at some people's interpretation of our 'No' as not understanding. We understand full well. There's a lot more going on here than just a couple of referendums.

I totally agree and am
sick of RTE openly dancing to the governments tune.

It’s a disgrace.

Tbry24 · 09/03/2024 20:22

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Whatnonsenseisthisnow · 09/03/2024 20:22

Yetmorebeanstocount · 09/03/2024 19:01

I know I don't know - that is why I though I was missing something.

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If you suspected you didn't understand something, wouldn't it have been prudent to speak only of your confusion rather than of your shock and disdain?

Instead you chose to word your OP as you did

I'm even more shocked that early results suggest the Irish have voted to KEEP this dire crap in their constitution
etc etc

Not good OP.

DanielGault · 09/03/2024 20:23

WithACatLikeTread · 09/03/2024 20:20

Yes according to half the population. My thing is why is there anti English comments when there is no suggestion OP is English? Why do Irish posters feel that is okay? I will report anti Irish comments but I think anti English ones should be as well.

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Work away 🙄

WithACatLikeTread · 09/03/2024 20:24

DanielGault · 09/03/2024 20:19

I was talking to you specifically.

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How do you know we don't understand what we vote for? Many of us do. Don't tarnish all of us.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 09/03/2024 20:24

WithACatLikeTread · 09/03/2024 20:09

Why cheek? Why didn't they abolish the abortion ban years ago? I am aware it is still difficult to get abortions in NI for example. Why can't I criticise that or is that racist?

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You do know NI is part of the UK?

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 09/03/2024 20:24

WithACatLikeTread · 09/03/2024 20:19

It was mentioned by Irish posters. Sounds like OP was simply interested but Irish posters have responded with Anti British/Anti English comments which is apparently okay (!).

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I brought Brexit into it. I didn't bring racism into it and don't agree with the racist comments at all.

WithACatLikeTread · 09/03/2024 20:25

OchonAgusOchonOh · 09/03/2024 20:24

You do know NI is part of the UK?

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Yes. Maybe I shouldn't have included the NI bit!