AIBU to be shocked by the Irish referendum?

[Yetmorebeanstocount]

I'm not from the Irish Republic. I just read what the ballot was about. I am shocked at what their constitution contained:

Article 41.2.1° “In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.”
Article 41.2.2° “The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.”

I'm even more shocked that early results suggest the Irish have voted to KEEP this dire crap in their constitution.

Am I missing something?

There are over 200 explicit mentions of 'men' in the constitution, but they came after the only mention specific to women.

And it's more recognition of the effort than saying that a woman is responsible for it (ie. reflecting reality, rather that prescribing behaviour)

And yeah.. 'durable relationship' what on earth does that mean -and why do we need it - children and families are already protected. All a poorly defined term like that does is make money for lawyers as now you have to pay to prove that you were or weren't in one when some chancer decides they want a chunk of what you have - your home, or access to your children for example

I'm really shocked at the lack of coverage of it on RTE. It's like they're already clearing up for round two. And quite furious at some people's interpretation of our 'No' as not understanding. We understand full well. There's a lot more going on here than just a couple of referendums.

www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2024/02/13/supreme-court-to-consider-issues-of-systemic-importance-for-carers-in-appeal-by-mother-of-severely-disabled-man/

This case is being heard by the Supreme Court in part due to the mother should not be forced out to work due to financial necessity clause in referendum

We’re not stuck in the 18th century.

I’m a barrister and voted no. It’s too ambiguous. What’s a ‘durable relationship’? Who determines what a ‘durable relationship’ is? Every judge will have a different interpretation meaning that the law would become subjective. If people want to access the protection granted by the constitution to married couples then they can marry- keep in mind that protection also means responsibilities (ie spousal support).

The second proposed amendment just wants to palm off responsibility to carers and relieve the State of same. Namely financial.

Everyone I know also voted no. If Ireland wants constitutional changes then make them make sense. Don’t give us some ambiguous half-arsed wording changes.

I wonder if I was talking to Revenue, or Social Welfare for example, and explained to them my 'durable relationship', how far would that get me?

Yes!!!

This.

There is another specific reference to women, in 'women and men' stating that both have the explicit right to work to earn their living. The notion that 'women have a right to a life in the home' means 'women's place is in the home' is a bit odd.

Anyway, the really shocking thing this afternoon is those English felals playing rugby to win. Don't they know who we are?

We Irish are well versed in referendums and we are highly educated to the consequences of any changes.

We take seriously and say no if we have to.

Is that Galway saying yes?

Indeed 😝

The scale of ignorance on this thread is staggering. I mean, if you don't know the context or significance, do a bit of basic research before making bald statements.

Galway east is a No and Galway west is not in yet on the RTE page. Have you seen a result elsewhere?

I had a comment deleted earlier, can someone tell me how to find out why? I don't think I said anything terribly controversial?

The simple way I like to explain it is….

If you were a student and you were tasked with writing an essay on a poet, but you submit utter gibberish, which is mildly related to the poet…. What do you expect the teacher to do….
fail you.

There is nothing wrong with the poet, the essay is just stupid.

Ireland are so right to decline this,
as it’s not a step forward, it’s an ambiguous shambles. The amount go CF court cases that would result, from this alone if it has passed is scary.

I think for example in the care amendment adding, father and guardians for example would be progressive, but never leaving it open ended as what is proposed in the referendum.

If a couple want to be equal in the eyes of the law? Get married…. Simple.
Why did we vote yes for gay marriage if this “durable relationship” bullshit is enough?

I think Ireland have demonstrated they are not idiots, but actually have their own mind and will not do what we they are told by their government.

Go Ireland. If only the UK were as clever and realise brexit was a shambles and not follow the story and dream sold to them by wealthy aristocrats.

Horrific. Who saw this coming. Upstarts

I think it's because you swore at the poster with poor grammar who was made the ignorant claim that we are still in the 18th century.

Funny isn't it, how it was ok for the poster to insult an entire country, despite obviously not understanding the issues, but not ok for you to tell them to do one for that insult?

No, just squinting at the map on the news.

Thanks. I didn't realise things were quite so precious here. Good to know 🙄🙄🙄

@OchonAgusOchonOh

Nope, it's the norm on MN, insulting the Irish is a British pastime.

So it seems. I really don't get it.

In the irish constitution, albeit written in the 1930's the word woman is mentioned once. The word man is mentioned 119 times.
The erasing of the word woman and a new hazy rewriting of the family / "people in durable relationships' - not one person in Govt could actually explain
There was widespread mis information from the govt and media that the actual sentence 'a womans place is in the home'was in fact in the constitution which it was not. This was totally shown to be a lazy assed lie by an eminent barrister and public figure who absolutely campaigned tirelessly.
The attorney general voiced serious concerns regarding the new wording which was leaked to the electorate -That the wording and its interpretation would be up to the courts.
That the disabled and carers would be disadvantaged by this new rewriting of the constitution also.
Our crazy left wing Govt was in effect trying to move away from their responsibilities to look after the disabled and put the obligation more so on the persons family.

Ultimately, any one with any clue in ireland was not voting for this unnecessary referendum that cost 23 million euro and the result is in fact a celebration of women and safeguards the obligation of the state to look after the disabled and disadvantaged . Brilliant result and an emphatic no to any change to the wording of woman rather than something like adult birthing person / something of that ilk that our stupid govt comes up with. Add in our second in command in govt scraping the barrell casting personal attacks on a barrister on live TV when she picked holes in the Govts arguement. How embarrassing ! ultimately no one trusts this govt. Hate speech bill coming down the tracks too. The public are angry at the govt ineptitude too. Good on the irish silent majority that showed their clout Today !

Left wing government?

Yes, I know. Reporting xenophobic anti-Irish comments rarely results in a deletion. It seems to be the one form of racism acceptable on here.

I reported it and nothing...

There was widespread mis information from the govt and media that the actual sentence 'a womans place is in the home'was in fact in the constitution which it was not.

No there wasn't.