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AIBU to be shocked by the Irish referendum?

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Yetmorebeanstocount · 09/03/2024 16:17

I'm not from the Irish Republic. I just read what the ballot was about. I am shocked at what their constitution contained:

Article 41.2.1° “In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.”
Article 41.2.2° “The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.”

I'm even more shocked that early results suggest the Irish have voted to KEEP this dire crap in their constitution.

Am I missing something?

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DanielGault · 10/03/2024 17:10

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 17:04

It's not as clear cut and simple as you seem to think

In my last job. I worked for an Irish company. I worked Remotely.

in that job, we were told that we were not allowed to leave ireland, and work remotely from any other country, for tax reasons.

We were told that we had to be resident in ireland all year, for tax reasons, and to get Irish benefits

My friend worked for an Irish company remotely, and he was also told that he was not allowed to leave ireland and work from anywhere else for tax reasons.

He decided to go to Scotland for three weeks anyway, and they found out and he got into big trouble for it.

I just talked to an Irish guy here in spain who is working remotely for an Irish company.

They used to tell him that he wasn't allowed to leave ireland. Now this year they have told him that he can leave ireland, and work abroad, but he said that the company have been very confusing..

He said the company are just figuring out a lot of things about it themselves. As it is their first time letting people work abroad.

Edited

Who were you paying your taxes to?

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 17:11

Abhannmor · 10/03/2024 17:08

Get a grip ffs. Like we need lessons in tolerance from the Americans. They've just overturned Roe v Wade! You sound like you have some internalised self hatred. The cultural cringe as it's called in Australia. Try not to look at us through the distorting lens of American or British media.

One thing I've learnt recently is how narrow minded and intolerant so called liberals can be. It's ' a bad day for democracy ' because people have expressed an opinion. And of course free speech is wonderful but you mustn't use it to say men are not women. Ugh.

Still thank the Goddess/ blind forces of natural selection acting upon random mutations , that we rejected this poorly worded and frankly insulting codswallop. It makes up for not winning the Grand Slam 🏉.

Almost.....

Are you OK?

The level of anger is a bit over the top amd weird, for me simply saying that irelands referendum is in the American news.

Are you alright?

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 17:16

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 17:10

Who were you paying your taxes to?

I never left ireland when I worked Remotely so I paid taxes in ireland.

When you work for a company that is based in one country , and you work remotely in another country, it can be a lot more complicated.

For example one expat here in spain,

told me that she requested to work abroad, and that she had to go through a lot of complicated steps to do it.

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DanielGault · 10/03/2024 17:17

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 17:16

I never left ireland when I worked Remotely so I paid taxes in ireland.

When you work for a company that is based in one country , and you work remotely in another country, it can be a lot more complicated.

For example one expat here in spain,

told me that she requested to work abroad, and that she had to go through a lot of complicated steps to do it.

Edited

How could you not have left and yet worked elsewhere? Were you just WFH in Ireland?

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 17:18

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 17:17

How could you not have left and yet worked elsewhere? Were you just WFH in Ireland?

What?. I don't understand

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 17:20

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 17:18

What?. I don't understand

Were you physically in a different country while working for a company that was based in Ireland, operating under Irish law?

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 17:22

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 17:20

Were you physically in a different country while working for a company that was based in Ireland, operating under Irish law?

I already wrote

"i never left ireland when I worked for that job".

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 17:25

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 17:22

I already wrote

"i never left ireland when I worked for that job".

So you were working remotely from Ireland for a country elsewhere?

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 17:28

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 17:25

So you were working remotely from Ireland for a country elsewhere?

No it was an Irish company.

This is what I wrote a couple of posts ago

'In my last job. I worked for an Irish company. I worked Remotely. "

So I worked for an Irish company, I never left ireland, I paid taxes in ireland.

Did you want to ask something about it?

Doteycat · 10/03/2024 17:31

When you work for a company that is based in one country , and you work remotely in another country, it can be a lot more complicated.

Nope. Its v well regulated and v simple.
Unless you havent a clue what you are talking about. Like you.

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 17:33

Doteycat · 10/03/2024 17:31

When you work for a company that is based in one country , and you work remotely in another country, it can be a lot more complicated.

Nope. Its v well regulated and v simple.
Unless you havent a clue what you are talking about. Like you.

You clearly haven't done it.

I dont think you have. Or you'd know that it isn't.

Have you ever done it?

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 17:37

Doteycat · 10/03/2024 17:31

When you work for a company that is based in one country , and you work remotely in another country, it can be a lot more complicated.

Nope. Its v well regulated and v simple.
Unless you havent a clue what you are talking about. Like you.

Well regulated and simple . Lol.

Try and educate yourself about tax.

Here is something from online to help you

"you will usually be considered tax-resident in the country where you spend more than 6 months out of a year"

So if you are resident in an EU country for more than 6 months , you become tax resident in that country and have to pay taxes to that country

Remote working Companies have to implement things to figure this out.

It's different in every company.

Different Countries also have different tax agreements with each other

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 17:41

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 17:28

No it was an Irish company.

This is what I wrote a couple of posts ago

'In my last job. I worked for an Irish company. I worked Remotely. "

So I worked for an Irish company, I never left ireland, I paid taxes in ireland.

Did you want to ask something about it?

So you just worked in Ireland then. By remote did you mean WFH? I apologise if got mixed up but it wasn't very clear. Hence my questions.

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 17:42

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 17:41

So you just worked in Ireland then. By remote did you mean WFH? I apologise if got mixed up but it wasn't very clear. Hence my questions.

Yeah I worked from home in that job. Now I'm currently in a work from office job in spain

No prob.

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 17:51

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 17:37

Well regulated and simple . Lol.

Try and educate yourself about tax.

Here is something from online to help you

"you will usually be considered tax-resident in the country where you spend more than 6 months out of a year"

So if you are resident in an EU country for more than 6 months , you become tax resident in that country and have to pay taxes to that country

Remote working Companies have to implement things to figure this out.

It's different in every company.

Different Countries also have different tax agreements with each other

Edited

Did you not just say you worked for an Irish company in Ireland albeit from home, which would have no effect? So you were just subject to the Irish tax system. What's the complication?

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 17:53

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 17:51

Did you not just say you worked for an Irish company in Ireland albeit from home, which would have no effect? So you were just subject to the Irish tax system. What's the complication?

Sigh.

Can you try and read back

I'm not repeating myself yet again

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Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 17:56

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 17:51

Did you not just say you worked for an Irish company in Ireland albeit from home, which would have no effect? So you were just subject to the Irish tax system. What's the complication?

Yet again

I said it was confusing for people who move to spain and work remotely for irish companies.

I said

"It IS confusing. I was chatting to irish people who work remotely here in spain and they said that the whole thing was confusing for them.

Some of them said they were originally told by their irish company thay they couldn't work abroad, then they were told that they could, work abroad, but that their HR dept was still sorting out the legal/ tax side of things."

I was talking about other people . Not myself

If you pretend that you don't understand for a third time, I'll presume you're just trolling me to make me type shit out again

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 17:59

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No I haven't name changed.

Have you name changed? The ones that accuse other people, are usually the ones that do it and spam multiple threads.

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 18:01

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 17:56

Yet again

I said it was confusing for people who move to spain and work remotely for irish companies.

I said

"It IS confusing. I was chatting to irish people who work remotely here in spain and they said that the whole thing was confusing for them.

Some of them said they were originally told by their irish company thay they couldn't work abroad, then they were told that they could, work abroad, but that their HR dept was still sorting out the legal/ tax side of things."

I was talking about other people . Not myself

If you pretend that you don't understand for a third time, I'll presume you're just trolling me to make me type shit out again

You don't need to explain, but I am lost.

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 18:03

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 18:01

You don't need to explain, but I am lost.

Right well then let's just move on to another topic.
Do you want to go back to talking about the referendum. That was the original topic.

Were you happy with the result

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 18:07

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 18:03

Right well then let's just move on to another topic.
Do you want to go back to talking about the referendum. That was the original topic.

Were you happy with the result

Edited

Yes.

Abhannmor · 10/03/2024 18:07

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 11:03

There was almost no diversity until about 30/25 years ago. That goes some way to explaining a lack of POC in teaching for example. When I was young, in the west, there were very very few black people. The country has transformed in a relatively short space of time and it's great to see the diversity now that wasn't there when I was young. It's a totally different country now than it was in say 1990. Unrecognisable almost.

Just so @DanielGault . I well recall the first batch of asylum seekers arriving in 1997. Before that the only ethnic minority were Italian people - about 3000 of them. Apart from a few dozen students at Trinity or UCD.
If you want black schoolteachers you have to wait until they become adults. I attended secondary school in England and had no black or Asian teachers. Recently I was in Scotland - Stirling , Falkirk - for a funeral. I only saw one black person the whole trip. Is Scotland therefore some far right patriarchal dystopia?

Meanwhile Ireland has the highest per capita immigration in the EU now. From virtually 100 % Irish born we are now at around 80% afaik. In 27 years. That's some change to take on board. We've not handled it too badly imo.

Sashamalia · 10/03/2024 18:09

DanielGault · 10/03/2024 18:07

Yes.

Well that's good then!

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