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My partner keeps trying to pay for things for me and having me pay him back to 'save on interest'

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boysmama1 · 08/03/2024 21:00

Bit of a long one ... but this is the back story.

  1. I have a credit card (£1K limit) that is currently maxed out. This is from a business trip to the US 18 months ago, I have been paying it back but I have also recently come back from mat leave so I have a couple months of missed payments (I know now great for the credit score, but I am still in the good section)
  2. My boyfriend while 'tidying' found a missing payment letter - the only way he would have found this would have been by going through my things (I keep a folder under my bedside drawers with any important documents/letters). He must have looked here to have found the letter and even open it to read it.
By doing point A - I feel violated and I don't even want to see/speak to him because he's gone through my personal items. To me, this doesn't impact him in the slightest. I am paying it off - I can afford pay more off now that I am back to work full time after maternity leave (my minimum payments were only £40/month) and my credit score is still 'good'.

Financials are a really personal thing to me and I feel super judged for having one. He made the comment of 'do you know how many credit cards I have?... None'

He now wants to give me the money to pay the card off in full to 'save on interest' and then I pay him back. I can afford the £40/month payment - and like I said, now I am back full time I can even afford to pay off more than that.
But this isn't the first time an instance like the above has happened ... Last year I had an extra £500 that I wasn't expecting from my last paycheck before maternity leave, so I put it into out joint account to contribite towards our bills while I was on mat leave. Instead of leaving it, he took that money to 'pay himself back' because he decided that to save £40, he would pay my car insurance in full. It came to like £500 - and something I could have afforded to pay monthly while I wasn't working.

I just feel like he wants everything paid in full all the time - when financially we are trying to save money instead of spending it and sometimes paying monthly is easier instead of depleating our saving accounts and then trying to get that back again - it turns it into a vicious circle of never having any savings because he's constantly using it to pay things off in full.

Am I being unreasonable in my feelings? Or should I have told him about the credit card / continue to let him pay everything in full? I just hate the idea of owing him money all the time because he's rather make the payment NOW instead of letting me have a payment plan and pay it off myself. I feel like I am being treated like a child who isn't allowed a financial responsibility.

OP posts:
Mumoftwo1312 · 09/03/2024 16:51

Rosscameasdoody · 09/03/2024 16:49

OP has said the split is 50/50 also the same during statutory maternity pay.

No, she said many times that they pay 50% of their take home pay into the joint account for bills. That's not 50-50.

I'm not saying I agree with the BF... but it's not 50-50

Rosscameasdoody · 09/03/2024 16:54

Notmyuser · 09/03/2024 14:31

Used car costs have skyrocketed recently - i don’t personally have a car so I am by no means obsessed with status, a bus pass carries zero status 😂 we are currently car hunting and our car is worth more now than it was a year ago despite us doing 30k miles on it.

An important thing to consider is that some people don’t have a choice other than to go to the mainstream garages because they need to pay a car on finance as they don’t have £6k in savings to buy a car in cash. We only traded our old car in because we didn’t have £1k for a new clutch but we could afford monthly car payments if we financed a car. We needed the car immediately and didn’t have time to save for it either.

So if he didn’t have the 6k needed for a cash buy, why did he take out finance for £16k when he’s not happy for the OP to even have £1k on a credit card ? And why didn’t he pay off the finance when he sold it, given that it’s the source of the interest he’s so dead set against ?

Rosscameasdoody · 09/03/2024 17:00

Mumoftwo1312 · 09/03/2024 16:51

No, she said many times that they pay 50% of their take home pay into the joint account for bills. That's not 50-50.

I'm not saying I agree with the BF... but it's not 50-50

From the OP In his mind, we should split the bills 50/50 which isn't fair when I earn way less in the first place.

He expected her to contribute 50% of her £700 maternity pay, leaving her £350pm to live on and pay her debts, while he earned over three times as much. He claims whatever is left in the joint account at the end of the month as his because he earns more. Perhaps this is the reason she has £1000 on a credit card and is secretive about her finances. He doesn’t sound approachable and seems to think it’s OK for him to do as he likes financially because he’s the higher earner. This is not a partnership, and not an environment in which to bring a child IMO.

Kofifi · 09/03/2024 17:24

OP my suggestion would be :

Pay bills so that you have a similar disposable income (you with 300 left over, and he with 1000 is not fair, and leads to him spending savings on takeaways because he probably doesn't appreciate how tight things are for you)

Prioritise paying off the credit card debt over building savings.

Don't pay extra into the household fund if its not being used for emergencies. Or can you have a separate account to make it harder to access. I'd argue that if he can buy takeaways from emergency fund, you should be able to pay off your credit card debt with it too.

Spirallingdownwards · 09/03/2024 17:50

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 09/03/2024 15:22

He makes an additional £1K on me. He increased his contribution from £1K to £1,400. Any 'left over money' on the joint card was his for the taking as he was now contributing more to the household.

I never touched the finances on the joint card, it didn't make financial sense to me when we would have £200 left over monthly, which we could save or use towards unexpected bills coming up.

Even when we moved in together, I always said that we should a little bit extra onto the joint account for 'just in case of unexpected bills' and then he'd always spend it (take aways) or take it back, even when I would say that's a bad idea when we have our own disposable income that we can use for that.

That does not suggest he is the cautious one. He has more disposable income than he pays into the joint account and yet he's still using it to buy takeaways etc. While the op was on maternity leave she had less than £300 left and he had £1.6k. That seriously looks like financial abuse to me

He pays proportionately more already and then tops up though. So he doesn't need to top up. I suspect he is still the saver and has money for the emergency bills that OP doesn't because she lives life in debt.

Spirallingdownwards · 09/03/2024 17:52

Kofifi · 09/03/2024 17:24

OP my suggestion would be :

Pay bills so that you have a similar disposable income (you with 300 left over, and he with 1000 is not fair, and leads to him spending savings on takeaways because he probably doesn't appreciate how tight things are for you)

Prioritise paying off the credit card debt over building savings.

Don't pay extra into the household fund if its not being used for emergencies. Or can you have a separate account to make it harder to access. I'd argue that if he can buy takeaways from emergency fund, you should be able to pay off your credit card debt with it too.

That'd be totally against all MN advice to make sure everyone pays proportionately if having separate finances rather than joint. Also he is worried because she doesn't mind being in debt and he does. So why should he had over his cash for her to fritter when she can't even keep up minimum payments on her credit card?

The extra money that he takes back is the additional money over and above the proportionately higher amount he already pays. So his own money that isn't part of his share of bills.

Thedance · 09/03/2024 17:58

You are not being unreasonable to want to keep your finances confidential but you are being unreasonable insisting in making monthly payments instead of paying off bills in full if you can. It makes much better financial sense to pay of debts as you avoid the interest. Savings should come after debts have been paid as the interest you get on your savings will be lower than the interest you will be paying in your debts.

Kofifi · 09/03/2024 18:05

I hear you @Spirallingdownwards and the attitude towards debt would concern me too.

But i feel like the idea of separate finances should go out the window if you cohabiting and one partner has taken a massive financial hit to birth their child. And to me having equal fun money is proportional. Him paying even an extra 100 wouldn't make any difference to him but would have allowed OP to start paying off her debt (assuming now she understands to prioritise that and why paying the minimum payment is a horrible idea).

Spirallingdownwards · 09/03/2024 18:12

Kofifi · 09/03/2024 18:05

I hear you @Spirallingdownwards and the attitude towards debt would concern me too.

But i feel like the idea of separate finances should go out the window if you cohabiting and one partner has taken a massive financial hit to birth their child. And to me having equal fun money is proportional. Him paying even an extra 100 wouldn't make any difference to him but would have allowed OP to start paying off her debt (assuming now she understands to prioritise that and why paying the minimum payment is a horrible idea).

Personally we started completely joint finances when we moved in together. I earned more then and then he earned more. And I have been a SAHM at times. So it's a strange concept to me when people don't.

But I undrrstand if they arent at that stage of commitment or when 2nd marriages etc why you dont merge finances. But on the basis they have decided to do that I can see why when he has suddenly had the breadwinner role then he worries about how OP isn't that bothered about being financially responsible and doesn't even care she has missed credit card payments.

Historygirl91 · 09/03/2024 18:18

I understand why you’d be upset at being snooped on. Personally I would ask him to pay off your 1k debt in full considering you contributed more than you could afford during your maternity leave. It was shitty of him not to pay more of ‘your share.’ You need a serious discussion about finances as saving money instead of paying off your CC debt makes no sense.

Merryoldgoat · 09/03/2024 18:38

This is just the natural result of not properly combining finances when you become a family.

You can still have separate accounts, but you should be a team.

DH and I are paid into our own accounts.

We total up everything we’re spending on the month including savings etc and pay into the joint account such that we have the same left over to do what we please with.

If you’ve both agreed 50/50 regardless of income then it’s irrelevant that he earns more.

It’s just it doesn’t suit you now.

I think 50/50 with kids and unequal earnings doesn’t make sense, but if that’s what you decide you take the rough with the smooth.

Howmanycatsistoomany · 09/03/2024 19:13

HÆLTHEPAIN · 09/03/2024 15:32

Did you miss the bit you quoted where she said she makes overpayments?

No, because I can read.

OP said she was "even making over payments" like she deserves a medal for making a few payments over the minimum monthly payment. A few "over payments" will not repair the damage missed payments has done to her credit score.

Rosscameasdoody · 10/03/2024 06:00

Notmyuser · 09/03/2024 08:30

Important to note that if you have a joint account with someone, their poor management of other accounts they hold can actually impact your score. I’d be raging if my partner was missing minimum payments on a maxed out cc, especially if I had the money to make the payment.

Also, paying less than the minimum payment is not making an “overpayment” - paying only the minimum payment is probably just covering the interest.

Ultimately, car debt is more sensible than debt to spend on a holiday, which is effectively what you did (it wasn’t really a work trip at the point when the spend happened) and to be paying for a few days holiday for 18 months+ is, quite frankly, nuts.

Is car debt still more sensible when you’ve sold the car on but not paid off the debt ? A lot of people not actually comprehending what’s actually going on here. OP advocated for leaving more money in the joint account for unexpected bills but he feels justified in claiming anything left over at the end of the month as his own, because he’s the higher earner. There’s nothing fair or equitable about doing that while you know your partner is struggling.

pam290358 · 10/03/2024 06:16

Merryoldgoat · 09/03/2024 18:38

This is just the natural result of not properly combining finances when you become a family.

You can still have separate accounts, but you should be a team.

DH and I are paid into our own accounts.

We total up everything we’re spending on the month including savings etc and pay into the joint account such that we have the same left over to do what we please with.

If you’ve both agreed 50/50 regardless of income then it’s irrelevant that he earns more.

It’s just it doesn’t suit you now.

I think 50/50 with kids and unequal earnings doesn’t make sense, but if that’s what you decide you take the rough with the smooth.

I think it’s 50% of their respective earnings, not outgoings. As OP mentioned in her updates, her BF obviously thinks the fact he is the higher earner is relevant because he uses that to justify taking as his own whatever is left in the joint account after outgoings every month. Despite the OP asking for more to be left in to cover unexpected expenses. If he’s wasting that on indulging himself while OP struggles with debt he’s a selfish arse and not the financially savvy smarty pants he thinks he is. It’s also not a good look for a family man.

Rosscameasdoody · 10/03/2024 06:36

Picklestop · 09/03/2024 08:39

Well he shouldn’t be snooping through your things. But you are a couple with a child, I would be very cross if my husband had debts he was hiding from me.

You sound financially irresponsible and he is the one talking sense. You have had a debt of £1000 hanging around for 18 months, what on earth have you been doing about it! Your £40 a month is clearly not sufficient. You are not good with money, I think you should accept his advice on saving interest!

What I struggle with though, is him having you “pay him back”. But that is because DH and I share our finances and there is no concept of lending or borrowing between us.

His advice on saving interest isn’t that savvy when you consider that he used the extra £500 to pay her car insurance instead of leaving it on DD. Insurance providers typically charge 10% for credit so that saved around £50. If he’d used it to pay down her credit card, leaving a £500 balance, the £40 she’s paying would have cleared it in 14 months with £70 in interest. As it stands now, at £40 a month it will take 3 years to clear with over £300 in interest.

fuckssaaaaake · 10/03/2024 07:14

My husband did this for me but I'm glad he did (before we were married). I was embarrassed that I was so shit with money but he helped me improve - not controlling, because I paid it so could start afresh. If he snooped he's out of order and if you don't feel comfortable with him helping you then your feelings are valid

Willnoonethinkofthebirds · 10/03/2024 08:35

Rosscameasdoody · 10/03/2024 06:36

His advice on saving interest isn’t that savvy when you consider that he used the extra £500 to pay her car insurance instead of leaving it on DD. Insurance providers typically charge 10% for credit so that saved around £50. If he’d used it to pay down her credit card, leaving a £500 balance, the £40 she’s paying would have cleared it in 14 months with £70 in interest. As it stands now, at £40 a month it will take 3 years to clear with over £300 in interest.

Except he didn't know about the credit card so he couldn't do that. OP should have done it that way. So again, back to the OP being the one who is not financially savvy.

I agree he shouldn't have snooped, but at the same time, I also wonder if he had got to a point of WTF trying to make sense of finances.

HÆLTHEPAIN · 10/03/2024 09:26

Spirallingdownwards · 09/03/2024 17:52

That'd be totally against all MN advice to make sure everyone pays proportionately if having separate finances rather than joint. Also he is worried because she doesn't mind being in debt and he does. So why should he had over his cash for her to fritter when she can't even keep up minimum payments on her credit card?

The extra money that he takes back is the additional money over and above the proportionately higher amount he already pays. So his own money that isn't part of his share of bills.

Edited

He doesn’t mind been in debt but took a£16,000 loan that wasn’t necessary when OP had £1000 max

OP suggests leaving the extra money in the joint account to cover unexpected bills. He takes it out or spends it on takeaways. We don’t know how much their bills are so can’t really assess what’s fair in terms of payments. He shouldn’t be the only one able to remove the surplus because that stops it being fair, the surplus should be split if anything.

Then there’s the phone op wants to save for but he wants to buy her now so she can owe him. Tell me again who fritters?

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 10/03/2024 11:51

Thanks - I did not know that (but then I don't have a joint account).it would be a dealbreaker for me to be tied to someone fiscally irresponsible and who might damage my credit rating

Spirallingdownwards · 10/03/2024 12:01

HÆLTHEPAIN · 10/03/2024 09:26

He doesn’t mind been in debt but took a£16,000 loan that wasn’t necessary when OP had £1000 max

OP suggests leaving the extra money in the joint account to cover unexpected bills. He takes it out or spends it on takeaways. We don’t know how much their bills are so can’t really assess what’s fair in terms of payments. He shouldn’t be the only one able to remove the surplus because that stops it being fair, the surplus should be split if anything.

Then there’s the phone op wants to save for but he wants to buy her now so she can owe him. Tell me again who fritters?

That's a very interesting take. Finance for a car is very much like finance for a house purchase to some people ie. painful but necessary. Frittering away to max out a credit card on a whim and then only ever paying rhe minimum and even then not bothering to pay some of the payments is entirely different.

His earnings exceed hers. She has already stated how much more he earns and that he pays more in. This is money over and above that share. He sometimes withdraws it for takeaways which I guess she eats too.

They just don't have the same outlook and she is far more frivolous and laissez faire than him. He is now in a position where she is on maternity leave where he is taking on more of a burden worrying that she makes terrible financial decisions. Either its a minimal amount on takeaways (as she says) or not. If larger amounts and no evidence of frivolous spending (and assume OP would have said if this is the case) then I very much assume he is removing the additional sum back to a place of safety before she fritters that away too. After all she doesn't want to take the sensible no interest route out of debt.

Anonymouseposter · 10/03/2024 12:09

He was wrong to snoop in your stuff but it isn’t sensible to be paying interest on loans when you don’t need to. He’s actually trying to stop you from wasting money.

HÆLTHEPAIN · 10/03/2024 12:26

Spirallingdownwards · 10/03/2024 12:01

That's a very interesting take. Finance for a car is very much like finance for a house purchase to some people ie. painful but necessary. Frittering away to max out a credit card on a whim and then only ever paying rhe minimum and even then not bothering to pay some of the payments is entirely different.

His earnings exceed hers. She has already stated how much more he earns and that he pays more in. This is money over and above that share. He sometimes withdraws it for takeaways which I guess she eats too.

They just don't have the same outlook and she is far more frivolous and laissez faire than him. He is now in a position where she is on maternity leave where he is taking on more of a burden worrying that she makes terrible financial decisions. Either its a minimal amount on takeaways (as she says) or not. If larger amounts and no evidence of frivolous spending (and assume OP would have said if this is the case) then I very much assume he is removing the additional sum back to a place of safety before she fritters that away too. After all she doesn't want to take the sensible no interest route out of debt.

This is what I posted earlier. I completely disagree with you. And she’s confirmed she had £500 on her credit card initially. I really don’t know how you can think she’s more frivolous.

In addition, like I said, we don’t know what the bills are to work out what’s fair. As for the car finance. No one needs a £16,000 car but even if they have one, it’s not more acceptable than having £1,000 on a credit card.

The way I read the story and the timeline is (correct me if I’m wrong OP):

OP took a credit card out for her post business trip holiday. She had £1000 spent on it, that she could comfortably afford to pay back on her normal salary. Not a massive issue in the grand scheme of things, especially when you consider her boyfriend had a loan of £16,000 at this point. She is entitled to get a credit card just as much as he was entitled to get a loan. She felt uncomfortable telling him because he would judge her, go on at her etc. Hardly surprising she didn’t want to tell him. Red flag here! This was pre child.

Also, before he knew about the credit card, he used £500 of OP’s money to pay for her car insurance without consulting her or allowing her to have any input in this. (From her OP - Last year I had an extra £500 that I wasn't expecting from my last paycheck before maternity leave, so I put it into out joint account to contribite towards our bills while I was on mat leave. Instead of leaving it, he took that money to 'pay himself back' because he decided that to save £40, he would pay my car insurance in full. It came to like £500 - and something I could have afforded to pay monthly while I wasn't working. ).This is not good at all and IS controlling. And probably another indicator of why OP didn’t feel she could tell him. Another red flag.

Baby came along and OP’s income was reduced considerably and unfairly in comparison with the boyfriend’s. People have said she should have told him then he could have paid more but he should have been paying more regardless of the £1000 credit card debt. It was only during this time that she missed the payments, not before or after. Again, from her posts -I was making good progress paying it off before mat leave and then it became a little bit of a safety blanket if I need a little bit extra while on mat leave. I was still paying 50% of my mat pay into the joint account for bills so sometimes I was shorter on months. This wouldn’t have happened if their contributions had been split more fairly.

OP maxed out the credit card again at Christmas while on maternity leave..of course it’s not ideal and probably something OP should discuss for future years with the people she buys for but knowing she was going to be back to her job and normal pay means it’s not out of the ordinary and again something a lot of people have done. Also, it’s probably something else that wouldn’t have happened or would have been much reduced if their money had been split more fairly during her mat leave.

He snooped on her.

And yes, it makes financial sense to pay outright for insurance or pay the CC off etc but at the same time, I don’t think I’d want to be beholden to a man who has behaved as he has. It just gives him more control.

This is another comment from one of OP’s posts: Thank you - I know I missed payments, and that is my fault. I hold my hands up to that. I would like to say I have missed maybe 3 payments - these missed payments have also been cleared. I would like to also add, that when I have the money I do then pay them all off. I know missed payments look back. I am currently on track in paying off the full amount and even making over payments. She has held her hands up. But she also make her payments now AND makes overpayments. Hardly the behaviour of someone financially irresponsible.

Then we get to the bit about the phone. She wants to save up for one. He wants to loan her the money and have her pay him back? Why? Unless he wants her to be owe him even more. She doesn’t want to owe him. I’d argue that she’s the one being more responsible here by waiting until she has the money to buy her new phone.

Then there’s this:

Even when we moved in together, I always said that we should a little bit extra onto the joint account for 'just in case of unexpected bills' and then he'd always spend it (take aways) or take it back, even when I would say that's a bad idea when we have our own disposable income that we can use for that.

We've always contributed 50% of our income to the joint account. In his mind, we should split the bills 50/50 which isn't fair when I earn way less in the first place. Again, another example of OP being financially responsible and her boyfriend doing what he feels like.

OP, you made an understandable mistake with your late payments. Don’t beat yourself up (there’s plenty of people on here who have done that for you). To me it seems at best you’re financially incompatible and you should really have a proper discussion of how you feel and what you both expect going forward. If you can come to a mutual agreement that you’re both happy with and is fair then carry on. Otherwise, I’d consider going it alone because it will only get worse in future.

Spirallingdownwards · 10/03/2024 12:32

HÆLTHEPAIN · 10/03/2024 12:26

This is what I posted earlier. I completely disagree with you. And she’s confirmed she had £500 on her credit card initially. I really don’t know how you can think she’s more frivolous.

In addition, like I said, we don’t know what the bills are to work out what’s fair. As for the car finance. No one needs a £16,000 car but even if they have one, it’s not more acceptable than having £1,000 on a credit card.

The way I read the story and the timeline is (correct me if I’m wrong OP):

OP took a credit card out for her post business trip holiday. She had £1000 spent on it, that she could comfortably afford to pay back on her normal salary. Not a massive issue in the grand scheme of things, especially when you consider her boyfriend had a loan of £16,000 at this point. She is entitled to get a credit card just as much as he was entitled to get a loan. She felt uncomfortable telling him because he would judge her, go on at her etc. Hardly surprising she didn’t want to tell him. Red flag here! This was pre child.

Also, before he knew about the credit card, he used £500 of OP’s money to pay for her car insurance without consulting her or allowing her to have any input in this. (From her OP - Last year I had an extra £500 that I wasn't expecting from my last paycheck before maternity leave, so I put it into out joint account to contribite towards our bills while I was on mat leave. Instead of leaving it, he took that money to 'pay himself back' because he decided that to save £40, he would pay my car insurance in full. It came to like £500 - and something I could have afforded to pay monthly while I wasn't working. ).This is not good at all and IS controlling. And probably another indicator of why OP didn’t feel she could tell him. Another red flag.

Baby came along and OP’s income was reduced considerably and unfairly in comparison with the boyfriend’s. People have said she should have told him then he could have paid more but he should have been paying more regardless of the £1000 credit card debt. It was only during this time that she missed the payments, not before or after. Again, from her posts -I was making good progress paying it off before mat leave and then it became a little bit of a safety blanket if I need a little bit extra while on mat leave. I was still paying 50% of my mat pay into the joint account for bills so sometimes I was shorter on months. This wouldn’t have happened if their contributions had been split more fairly.

OP maxed out the credit card again at Christmas while on maternity leave..of course it’s not ideal and probably something OP should discuss for future years with the people she buys for but knowing she was going to be back to her job and normal pay means it’s not out of the ordinary and again something a lot of people have done. Also, it’s probably something else that wouldn’t have happened or would have been much reduced if their money had been split more fairly during her mat leave.

He snooped on her.

And yes, it makes financial sense to pay outright for insurance or pay the CC off etc but at the same time, I don’t think I’d want to be beholden to a man who has behaved as he has. It just gives him more control.

This is another comment from one of OP’s posts: Thank you - I know I missed payments, and that is my fault. I hold my hands up to that. I would like to say I have missed maybe 3 payments - these missed payments have also been cleared. I would like to also add, that when I have the money I do then pay them all off. I know missed payments look back. I am currently on track in paying off the full amount and even making over payments. She has held her hands up. But she also make her payments now AND makes overpayments. Hardly the behaviour of someone financially irresponsible.

Then we get to the bit about the phone. She wants to save up for one. He wants to loan her the money and have her pay him back? Why? Unless he wants her to be owe him even more. She doesn’t want to owe him. I’d argue that she’s the one being more responsible here by waiting until she has the money to buy her new phone.

Then there’s this:

Even when we moved in together, I always said that we should a little bit extra onto the joint account for 'just in case of unexpected bills' and then he'd always spend it (take aways) or take it back, even when I would say that's a bad idea when we have our own disposable income that we can use for that.

We've always contributed 50% of our income to the joint account. In his mind, we should split the bills 50/50 which isn't fair when I earn way less in the first place. Again, another example of OP being financially responsible and her boyfriend doing what he feels like.

OP, you made an understandable mistake with your late payments. Don’t beat yourself up (there’s plenty of people on here who have done that for you). To me it seems at best you’re financially incompatible and you should really have a proper discussion of how you feel and what you both expect going forward. If you can come to a mutual agreement that you’re both happy with and is fair then carry on. Otherwise, I’d consider going it alone because it will only get worse in future.

I assume you must be the OP or have nothing better to do. I am not reading your 4 page essay. I started to and lost the will to live.

She couldn't pay the card comfortably as she said she pays the minimum which is neither comfortable nor sensible and then either chose not to pay or failed to pay which is irresponsible and her attitude to non payment is likewise

They aren't compatible financially. That's all there is to it.

You can give it more headspace if you want but I'm not 🙄

HÆLTHEPAIN · 10/03/2024 12:44

@Spirallingdownwards funny how people who also comment on a post say things like that. You’re right, I haven’t actually got anything better to do as I’m laid up ill. I quite enjoy the debate..isn’t that why we’re all here? 🙄

Rosindub · 10/03/2024 14:13

Notmyuser · 09/03/2024 11:33

Have you bought a car recently? Prices are insane. We sold a 13 plate with 100k miles and a non functional clutch for £7k recently. Our current car is worth more now than when we bought it! £16k is really not “flash car” territory

Thanks, I was wondering in what universe 16k buys a flash car.